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Illegal immigrants Gravitate Toward Arizona Border ["On A Typical Day Nearly 1 M " Cross Border]
Washington Post ^ | May 29, 2010 | Peter Slevin

Posted on 05/29/2010 4:11:22 PM PDT by Steelfish

Illegal immigrants Gravitate Toward Arizona Border

By Peter Slevin May 29, 2010 NOGALES, ARIZ. -- Along a rugged stretch of the Mexican border here in southern Arizona, U.S. authorities captured 687 illegal immigrants in a 24-hour period last week, three times the number captured near San Diego. During the past eight months, agents have apprehended 168,000 migrants along this sector of the border.

The border crossers are so determined, and so impervious to a long-running buildup of federal agents and technology, that few here think President Obama's recent decision to dispatch 1,200 National Guard soldiers and $500 million will make much difference.

"I doubt it, frankly," said Don Severe, a vocal opponent of illegal immigration who favors stronger measures, including certain incarceration. "It sounds good, but what are they going to do? We have a very serious problem."

Arizona, home of a controversial new law that makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally, has become the leakiest portion of the nearly 2,000-mile border. The continuing flow of illegal immigrants, compounded by a rise in narcotics traffic and the slaying of an Arizona rancher, perhaps by a border crosser, has triggered a fresh fight over immigration policy, animating activities on both sides of the debate.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens

1 posted on 05/29/2010 4:11:22 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
And the Obamanoids want us to believe that there are only 15M illegal aliens in this country.

Another math problem. 1969 miles of border. 1200 NG troops. Oops! Ain't working.

3 posted on 05/29/2010 4:16:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (SB. 1070 - Arizona's way of finding out whose side Barry Zero is really on.)
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To: Steelfish
In the meantime, Obama does NOTHING.

Oops - what he did do is BLAME THE U.S. for the gun violence in Mexico. Yes, It's America’s FAULT and you are a RACIST if you object to ILLEGALS invading our country and sucking us dry financially.

4 posted on 05/29/2010 4:17:38 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Steelfish

The way the Mexicans look at it is if you throw enough of them at the border, some are bound to get through. They need to make it so dangerous to even try that they will back off some.


5 posted on 05/29/2010 4:18:03 PM PDT by RC2
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To: FlingWingFlyer; pnh102

The Article states:

“On a typical day, nearly 1 million people cross from Mexico into the United States, according to U.S. government figures. Roughly 270,000 vehicles cross the Southwest border every 24 hours, along with about 57,000 truck, rail and sea containers. Sixty percent of the Mexican fruit and vegetables entering the United States comes through Nogales.”


6 posted on 05/29/2010 4:19:02 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Obama’s recent decision to dispatch 1,200 National Guard soldiers and $500 million will make much difference.


Not even allowed to be armed or arrest illegal aliens...


7 posted on 05/29/2010 4:19:12 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That’s what I was thinking. 12 million+ in California alone. Probably more like 50 million+ illegals in the country. That number may be way high and I have no way of knowing, but my common sense tells me it’s no where near 12 million.


8 posted on 05/29/2010 4:19:16 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: RC2

Stop the flow of goodies to them. If the jobs and goodies weren’t given to them on a silver platter, they would self deport.


9 posted on 05/29/2010 4:20:28 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

You hit it on the head. Entitlements and open borders don’t mix too well.


10 posted on 05/29/2010 4:22:57 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: Steelfish

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Border agents have “close to daily” encounters with smugglers carrying guns, most linked to drug smuggling, he said. In announcing the National Guard deployment, which echoes earlier approaches, Obama emphasized the need to slow the drugs flowing north, as well as guns and cash heading south to the cartels waging war on Mexican state authority.

(Yes, just SLOW the drug traffic. Let’s not make ANY attempt to STOP it. Of course AMERICAN GUNS are the problem concerning DRUG WARS IN MEXICO! LOL! It’s always America’s fault and anything GOOD for America can NOT HAPPEN under Obama.)

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So far, 210 miles of the 262-mile Tucson Sector border is fenced. McCain, facing GOP primary challenger J.D. Hayworth, a border hawk, made waves by declaring in a campaign advertisement filmed in Nogales: “Complete the danged fence.”

(Yes, Sarah Palin endorsed McPain isn’t doing the job. I hope J.D. Hayworth WINS. We don’t need more RINO’s - even if Sarah Palin campaigns and endorses RINO’s.)

Put a few landmines out there and they’ll stop coming here.

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11 posted on 05/29/2010 4:24:58 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Freddd
“Not even allowed to be armed or arrest illegal aliens...”

Of course not!

It's best from Obama’s perspective for Americans to be UNARMED and defenseless. He wants to believe that criminals will respect that. LOL! Obama wants the vote of ILLEGALS and Mexicans.

12 posted on 05/29/2010 4:26:42 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: beaversmom

Open fire


13 posted on 05/29/2010 4:27:14 PM PDT by TLEIBY308 (Keep yer powder dry and watch yer top Knot.)
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To: Steelfish

Could the state of Arizona build a workable wall across its own border?


14 posted on 05/29/2010 4:30:35 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The article doesn’t say 1 million illegals crossing the border on a typical day. Read the article.

Also, I thought the 1,200 National Guard troops are all being sent to Texas. (That’s a typical Obama decision - Arizona reports a severe problem and Obama sends troops to Texas. What, he threw a dart at a map on the wall?)


15 posted on 05/29/2010 4:32:28 PM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: dr_who

Yes. In the military, we called it “interlocking fire”.


16 posted on 05/29/2010 4:37:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (SB. 1070 - Arizona's way of finding out whose side Barry Zero is really on.)
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To: savedbygrace
The article doesn’t say 1 million illegals crossing the border on a typical day. Read the article.

Sounds a bit weird. 360 million mexicans a year; I don't think there are that many mexicans around.

17 posted on 05/29/2010 4:38:33 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade

Mexico’s total population in 2010 is a little over 111 million:

http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/mexico/mexico_people.html


18 posted on 05/29/2010 4:46:06 PM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Also 20,000 BP agents. 1200 more is a drop in the bucket.


19 posted on 05/29/2010 4:46:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Steelfish

All we heard after the Calderon/obama fiasco last week is that illegal movement across the border is DOWN. I want to know where they get their numbers from. Is there a kiosk set up some place for them to all check in? Failing to find them and pick them up doesn’t mean they aren’t still crossing and getting through into our cities! It’s like crime is down in our cities, because culprits aren’t caught.

Just as with WMD’s - just because you don’t find them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Nicole Brown Simpson wasn’t really murdered either because the murder weapon wasn’t found.

Do we all have to adopt illogical thinking to get along in this world?


20 posted on 05/29/2010 4:47:43 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Hardraade
The million number is how many people cross the border a day; it is not the number of ILLEGAL immigrants. Many people live in the US and work in Mexico--and vice versa (saw it myself when I lived in El Paso--the traffic jams at the border crossings were usually around 8:00am and 5:00pm).

But, there are still WAY TOO many illegals here, and a lot of the Mexicans who came here legally are NOT in favor of amnesty.

21 posted on 05/29/2010 5:05:25 PM PDT by milagro
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To: Steelfish

I am worried there are bumper stickers in Mexico saying, “Will the last one out, turn off the lights.”


22 posted on 05/29/2010 5:12:48 PM PDT by healy61
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To: All
Just here for a "better life."

May Day Marchers plotting to takeover the USA. Inflicting Third World savagery on US citizens.

23 posted on 05/29/2010 5:18:53 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: beaversmom

I can’t quite believe this. If a million a day cross, and they’ve crossed 365 days a year for ten years, that would be

3,650,000,000 in our country now.

Our population is not that high!


24 posted on 05/29/2010 5:22:06 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: milagro

“The million number is how many people cross the border a day; it is not the number of ILLEGAL immigrants”

Oh, I misunderstood that, consider my post above corrected, sort of.


25 posted on 05/29/2010 5:23:08 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Kimberly GG; TADSLOS; stephenjohnbanker
THE REAL HATE IN ARIZONA Accuracy in Academia investigated "ethnic studies" and uncovered damaging material. In the high schools of Tuscon, Arizona, a book by Paulo Freire (a Brazilian Marxist) called Pedagogy of the Oppressed is required reading in "Raza Studies" (ie, Race Studies), otherwise known as "Mexican-American courses."

Another favorite is "Occupied America" by Rodolfo Acuna who is a professor of Chicano Studies at California State University in Northridge. "Occupied America," according to the invaders, includes a map of Mexico in 1821 which includes the American Southwest.

Here's a choice quote from "Occupied America." It gives us an idea of material Hispanic students are being exposed to in Arizona public schools: "We are fed up. We are going to do away with the injustice to the Chicano and if the 'gringo' doesn't get out of our way, we will stampede over him."

Another priceless gem: "Gutierrez attacked the gringo establishment angrily at a press conference and called upon Chicanos to "Kill the gringo,' which meant to end white control over Mexicans."

HATE HATE HATE Kill the gringo! Stampede over him! Rise up and overthrow the White oppressor in a bloody Communist insurrection!

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REFERENCE-----FR Posted by WilliamHouston, 5/24

Illegal aliens who literally break into America and demand special privileges under the law say thet are oppressed? If so, they sought out "oppression" by coming here. That's like a random stranger breaking into my house in the middle of the night and demanding amnesty (the lawful right to reside on my property) as a reward for his crime.

"Occupied America" according to the invaders includes a map of Mexico in 1821 which includes the American Southwest.

The story of how Mexico lost the region in a war with the Polk administration is recounted from an ethnic chauvinist perspective. From 1821 until 1848, a mere 27 years, the American Southwest was under Mexican sovereignty. From 1848 until 2010, 162 years, the Southwest has belonged to the United States. Mexico never had a compelling claim to the Southwest.

In the 27 years the region was under Mexican rule, Mexico City exercised little control over the area. Local Indian tribes like the Comanches and Pueblo Indians were the true authorities. Few Mexicans lived in Alta California and the Southwest. This is especially true of the Indians and mestizos from Central and Southern Mexico who are predominant among the immigrants who come from that country and make the usual race based claims.

The people of Arizona are under no obligation to subsidize Marxist pedagogues determined to incite violence and racial hatred against them and their descendants. I can't help but wonder why the Far Left groups who are ostensibly committed to fighting "racism" are so quiet about government sponsored racial hatred in American public schools. That disturbing line of inquiry raises more questions than answers.

27 posted on 05/29/2010 5:32:18 PM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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San Diego - Tijuana, Mexico Border crossing Largest and Busiest in the world
28 posted on 05/29/2010 5:52:50 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: nmh

“Oops - what he did do is BLAME THE U.S. for the gun violence in Mexico. Yes, It’s America’s FAULT and you are a RACIST if you object to ILLEGALS invading our country and sucking us dry financially. “

Obama is making sure many more illegals will get through.


29 posted on 05/29/2010 6:25:23 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Liz

The Far Left hate America AND themselves.


30 posted on 05/29/2010 6:27:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Liz

Remember those charming posters of Sheriff Arpaio and Gov. Brewer dressed up as nazis? During the amnesty protests a few years back they had posters of Gov. Schwazennegar and Rep. Sensenbrenner dressed as nazis. How to win friends and influence people...NOT. :{


31 posted on 05/29/2010 6:57:49 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Liz

Isn’t it funny how the reconquistas are playing on our pity one minute then calling us names the next. Is this supposed to accomplish something?


32 posted on 05/29/2010 7:00:46 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


33 posted on 05/29/2010 7:14:47 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ SEIU Supports the Slave Trade ~)
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To: Persevero

That is crossers total; not just illegals. It seems high even at that until you realize that many go back and forth daily and each person is counted each time they cross.


34 posted on 05/29/2010 8:21:27 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: beaversmom

You’re probably right. I know that our local paper always puts the number for our city at 50,000 illegals, but I spoke with a police investigator who told me the number is more like 300,000....6 times what they report!


35 posted on 05/29/2010 9:54:31 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Steelfish

They can’t wait to move into a country they simply despise!


36 posted on 05/30/2010 5:03:38 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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