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Report: Israel To Deploy Nuclear Submarines Off Iran Coast
Haaretz ^ | May 30, 2010

Posted on 05/30/2010 6:18:29 AM PDT by Fennie

Israel is to deploy three submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles in the Persian Gulf, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.

According to the Times report, one submarine had been sent over Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, and in the possession of Syria and Hezbollah, could be used to hit strategic sites within Israel, such as air bases and missile launchers.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel
KEYWORDS: iran; iraniannukes; islam; israel; notbreakingnews

1 posted on 05/30/2010 6:18:30 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Good thing so few members of the Revolutionary Guard subscribe to Haaretz or are Freepers.


2 posted on 05/30/2010 6:20:57 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Fennie

Good move, Israel.


3 posted on 05/30/2010 6:25:30 AM PDT by demkicker (Helping Democrats Become Extinct)
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To: jhpigott; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; sonofstrangelove; JoeProBono

*ping*


4 posted on 05/30/2010 6:25:46 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Fennie
Persian Gulf:

Average depth 50 m (160 ft)

Max depth 90 m (300 ft)

I doubt it.

5 posted on 05/30/2010 6:26:57 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Fennie

Israel wants publicity for this move.


6 posted on 05/30/2010 6:27:53 AM PDT by AU72
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To: billorites
Good thing so few members of the Revolutionary Guard subscribe to Haaretz or are Freepers.

I'd like to think the Israelis have better control over their intel than the US. Instead of an unexpected "leak", this may be useful psyops. Whether true or not, the Iranians and their puppets will now have to expend resources to look for a sub.

7 posted on 05/30/2010 6:29:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Fennie
Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran
8 posted on 05/30/2010 6:35:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Sooth2222

When I was in the Gulf in the late 80s I was on an Anti-Sub Warfare (ASW) based tin can. I ended up working in CIC the whole time because the Gulf is considered too shallow for subs...


9 posted on 05/30/2010 6:38:16 AM PDT by APatientMan
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To: COBOL2Java
I'm not an expert on Israeli weapons but this is the first I've heard of nuke subs. If so the towelheads in Iran may be putting in calls to the towelheads in the Bekaa Valley.
10 posted on 05/30/2010 6:38:58 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 217)
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To: Recon Dad

I think the subs are diesel-powered with nuclear armed missiles.


11 posted on 05/30/2010 6:44:13 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I googled the topic and there were references to Israeli nuke subs, so I guess Iran has something to worry about.


12 posted on 05/30/2010 6:50:59 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 217)
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To: Sooth2222; Fennie
Persian Gulf: Average depth 50 m (160 ft) Max depth 90 m (300 ft) I doubt it. The media reported it so it must be true....sarcasm off

And to tell you the truth I'm getting tired of FR's believing crap like this...

13 posted on 05/30/2010 6:53:33 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: Fennie
Israeli fears that ballistic missiles developed by Iran, and in the possession of Syria and Hezbollah..........

Unlike last time, Israel should retaliate directly against Iran and Syria for any missiles launched against Israel by the Hezzies. And the retaliation should include cruise missile assassination strikes against Assad and Ahmadinejad. ...and Israel should make their intentions very clear to those two.

14 posted on 05/30/2010 6:54:03 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Recon Dad

The subs in question are German diesel subs. They’re very quiet for diesels, though. And they’re armed with nuke-tipped cruise missiles.


15 posted on 05/30/2010 6:58:24 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Fennie
take out all their electric generating plants and their refinery and make them live in the dark for the next 5 years or till they get their minds right...
16 posted on 05/30/2010 7:00:20 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Hey Iran, the shit just got real, didn’it?


17 posted on 05/30/2010 7:25:07 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: Chode

OH but Iran is building Nuke stuff for energy not bombs. I am sure they will be fine. Just turn on the Nuke generators. (Sarc)


18 posted on 05/30/2010 7:28:19 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Fennie; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

Maybe it will be time for some preemptive strikes the next time the Islamofacists in charge of Iran threaten to destroy Israel.

Israel should know by now, Lord 0haha and his anti Israel thugs will not support Israel nor block Iran from destroying them.


19 posted on 05/30/2010 7:31:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Sooth2222
Persian Gulf:
Average depth 50 m (160 ft)
Max depth 90 m (300 ft)
I doubt it.


Plenty of water in the Indian ocean. The Iranian coast is not just the Persian Gulf.
20 posted on 05/30/2010 7:33:59 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: APatientMan

Yes, the Gulf is shallow, but remember, the Navy thought Pearl Harbor was too shallow for aerial torpedos, too.


21 posted on 05/30/2010 7:38:54 AM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: Fennie

I don’t think folks understand the difference here. The ballistic missiles are far worse than the usual fare of Hezbollah just lobbing missiles and letting them hit where they fall. These are much more dangerous.


22 posted on 05/30/2010 7:46:07 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Doofer
And to tell you the truth I'm getting tired of FR's believing crap like this...

I don't know what the average or maximum depth of the Gulf is. Why are you calling the numbers somebody posted crap? Do you know what the numbers really are? I am sincere in my request for information. I couldn't find the answer with Google.

23 posted on 05/30/2010 7:46:48 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: Recon Dad
...If so the towelheads in Iran may be putting in calls to the towelheads in the Bekaa Valley.

oh, is this more PC than diaperheads?

24 posted on 05/30/2010 7:47:56 AM PDT by 1234 ("1984")
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To: billorites

I heard they were deploying 50 Submarines...//sarc// Do you really think that Israel is going to announce their battle plans (as compared to obama’s military?)


25 posted on 05/30/2010 7:48:27 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: Fennie
Dolphin-class Israeli submarine:


26 posted on 05/30/2010 8:01:06 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: billorites

Have you read Haaretz? It’s like the Israeli’s NYT. Probably an Ahmadinnerjacket’s favorite.


27 posted on 05/30/2010 8:07:44 AM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Sooth2222

My mother always told me you can drown in 2 inches of water, so why the f*ck can’t Israel float some subs in 50 meter water??


28 posted on 05/30/2010 8:07:45 AM PDT by CaptSkip
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To: GonzoGOP
Average depth 50 m (160 ft)

Max depth 90 m (300 ft)

I doubt it.

"Plenty of water in the Indian ocean. The Iranian coast is not just the Persian Gulf."

The Times story says: "Three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline.".

Israel might be getting ready to glass Iran from the Indian Ocean (or may be getting ready to do something about Hizbollah's Scud missiles in Syria) but subs operating on the surface or at minimal depth in the Persian Gulf defeats the purpose of using submarines. The US Navy would know where they were at all times to the nearest foot if not inch and the Iranians would probably have a good idea where they were, too. Israel only has a few subs and it would probably lose them. There would be repercussions, and in the post-glassed-Iran era with an Islamic world even unhappier with Israel than it is now, the subs would probably be useful for Israel's survival. IMO it's unlikely that the news story is accurate. Could be saber rattling, or they may have something else planned. Or maybe they just want to amuse themselves watching the Iranian Navy dragging grappling hooks through the Persian Gulf. If they planned a surprise attack, leaking it to the Times is hardly the way to do it.

29 posted on 05/30/2010 8:39:23 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222
"I doubt it. "

What makes you think they're in the Gulf?

Subs operate in the Arabian Sea...and it would be EXTRAORDINARILY RARE for any sub to be there that is not in simple transit.

30 posted on 05/30/2010 8:40:40 AM PDT by Mariner (The first Presidential candidate to call for deportation, wins.)
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To: Doofer
"And to tell you the truth I'm getting tired of FR's believing crap like this... "

Ever hear of the Arabian Sea?

Gee, do you think a sub could be off the coast of Iran, and be in the Arabian sea too?

31 posted on 05/30/2010 8:43:46 AM PDT by Mariner (The first Presidential candidate to call for deportation, wins.)
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32 posted on 05/30/2010 8:57:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Mariner
So they made the transit around the horn to get their rather than going via the locks and the Red Sea if I remember my history correctly.

I have read they can lauch Harpoons out of their torpedo tubes. What else have they done to tweak such "birds" to destroy Iran/Russian air defence systems.

Anyway, even if it is psych-ops Iran may have to deploy forces to look for them eating up resources. Kind of an Ali-Rope-Adope when they come in from the air from "other routes" and have their 707 refuelers ready for the ride home....

33 posted on 05/30/2010 8:59:13 AM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: taildragger
"I have read they can lauch Harpoons out of their torpedo tubes. What else have they done to tweak such "birds" to destroy Iran/Russian air defence systems."

While they may have tube launched Harpoon missiles(not nukes)...they also have home-grown cruise missiles which are tube launched.

Each boat is capable of APPROXIMATELY 12 single-warhead missiles of moderate weight...25-50KT. The actual numbers are held very, very close.

Less is known about the Israeli arsenal than any other in the world.

34 posted on 05/30/2010 9:39:34 AM PDT by Mariner (The first Presidential candidate to call for deportation, wins.)
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To: Mariner

I don’t know how much of your information is correct.

As far as I know and from some research I’ve done with Google the deal is as follows:

Some sources say the Israeli SLCM may be called the “Popeye Turbo”. Some say it is an enlarged version of the Israeli “Gabriel 4LR”. Yet others say it is an entirely different type of cruise missile of completely unique design.

Maximum range of the SLCM is estimated to be as much as 2,400km, putting it in the Tomahawk range (2,500km).

The SLCM is fired from one of four large 25.5 inch tubes.

Nuclear warhead size on each SLCM is estimated to be between 300-400 Kilotons which is close to a single W88 (475Kt) warhead on our Trident II.

As far as how many SLCMs each sub can carry, it is unknown. Where did you get the 12 missiles number from?

All that being said, all I’ve posted above may be mere conjecture, precisely because, as you said, very little ACTUAL data is known about the Israeli nuke program and their subs.


35 posted on 05/30/2010 10:44:17 AM PDT by kress
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To: Mariner
Israeli submarines carry Harpoons to take out ships, not nukes. They built their own cruise missile, the Popeye Turbo
36 posted on 05/30/2010 10:44:38 AM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just liberals who lie.)
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To: None
Well, with Israels potent deterrent to Iran, you can fully expect Obama to do nothing with Iran and we will have peace in our time.
37 posted on 05/30/2010 12:34:32 PM PDT by Sporaticus
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To: Fennie
Israel is to deploy three submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles in the Persian Gulf

Israel has nuclear weapons? Who knew?

(:-O

38 posted on 05/30/2010 12:52:46 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (BORDERS, LAWS and LANGUAGE)
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To: rmlew
I read once where Harpoons at one time was to or had a small nuke warhead variant, but my point is different.

I see Israel not using for taking out ships, but for land based Iranian assets, specifically air defense related.

Again who know what "Tweaks" Israel has "value-added" to systems they have purchased from the US.

I read once their value added was $1.40 for every $1.00 of US aid or military expense offsets, what every you want to call what we sent them.

39 posted on 05/30/2010 2:50:42 PM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Sooth2222

I’m in agreement with you. However, there’s an awful large ocean just offshore from most of Iran, and I would think that would be enough to hide the submarines until they are needed.

The Iranians just don’t get the phrase “never again.” It doesn’t mean that there won’t be additional genocidal attempts against the Jews. It just means that the next stupid bastards who try to kill off the Jewish people will get exactly what they do in return. The Jews will never again walk peacefully into the trains and go sheepishly to their deaths.

I would also imagine that there’s a nuke each for Mecca and Medina, too. Afterwards... well, the Moslems can become Baha’is and enter the modern world.


40 posted on 05/30/2010 3:13:49 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: SJackson

Ping !!


41 posted on 05/30/2010 9:20:23 PM PDT by Fennie
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