"Organ Donation Euthanasia": A Dangerous Proposal

Culture of Life Foundation ^ | 5/27/10 | E. Christian Brugger, D.Phil.

[floriduh voter]

Treating injuries don't have the profit margin that organ harvesting does. A former HCA CEO Rick Scott wants to be Fla's next governor (R). I'm sure he was part of the organ harvest fest typical of the HCA brand of hospitals.

HCA refused to admit my friend to their hospital due to an insurance snafu but when my friend ended up their in a COMA later that day, they were anxious to pluck out her eyes. Had they admitted my friend to begin with, she'd still be alive. She died same day as Farrah F. and Michael Jackson.

and RICK SCOTT wants to be Fla Governor? On the heels of Charlie (killed Terri) Crist?????

[floriduh voter]

Brain criteria is clear as mud. The person may recover but if they are chosen to lose their body parts, the body is defiled during the stripping process. It is heinous to slice a human being up like that.

[floriduh voter]

The prisoners are held in compounds (possibly underground). The prisoners are kept healthy and when they are a match, they are murdered to satisfy the global shortage of organs.

[floriduh voter]

Without getting too far off the track, remember the Exhibit of plasticized bodies called “Bodies” that was created in China? I’m sure they all volunteered to be plasticized and shipped to Amerika for gawkers. Heinous exhibit.

[wagglebee]

I remember.

[floriduh voter]

A giant billboard right by the turn to my neighborhood of a dead guy plasticized running. No doubt he was running from the Chi-Coms so they could get him in that post. He was probably running for his life and they probably poured the stuff right on him in motion.

[Oceander]

"However, it is difficult to see why a patient is morally harmed or has their rights violated if they are actively killed, compared with a state of affairs where they die as a result of treatment withdrawal, assuming that they have consented to either."

Putting all other arguments against this stupid piece of idiocy masquerading as intelligent thought, the quoted sentence is one of the core problems with this sort of nonsense. The game is always unpacking the assumptions - if you grant someone their assumptions, they can get you to agree to almost anything, including your own execution.

The basic real-world problem with fruitcakes like this is that, in reality, it becomes almost impossible to really prove that the assumed consent was, in fact, given, and not revoked (and I am intentionally setting aside the arguments about whether a rational sentient being could really "consent" to its own execution in a way that ought to be respected).

The classic liberal scenario is always some bright, cheerful, Rockwellian setup, with the executee in full command and control of his or her faculties, making a "loving, caring, informed, educated, intelligent" decision that is carefully and unambiguously memorialized, and then never regretted or changed, and carefully followed-through on to the exact iota by the doctors and attendants.

That only occurs in liberal Norman Rockwell fantasies; it never occurs in real life. Instead, there are enough ambiguities and the like in almost every situation that it becomes not only possible, but probable, that any scheme of arranged euthanasia becomes a useful subterfuge for murder. And not just any murder, but one of the more heinous sorts - the murder of a vulnerable, fragile, mentally weak elderly relative by the greedy, grasping youngster who stands to inherit everything if only that elderly relative can be shuffled off their mortal coil before they (a) blow all the money on their care, or (b) change their will because they've caught onto the youngster's greed.

[chesley]

Couldn’t agree more. When God takes me, He takes me. But I don’t intend to let others hurry that process along voluntarily.

[little jeremiah]

By “not prolonging one’s earthly tenure” I do NOT mean suicide, “assisted” or not; I mean that people have a legitimate right to decide whether or not to have additional medical procedures that might prolong life (especially by taking organs from people who were euthanized!). I am 100% opposed to suicide, but also, in the event that I grow old(er) and very disabled, I might choose not to have additional medical procedures, and just let Nature (really, Nature’s God) take its course (His course). I want Him to decide when I leave. That might mean - for me - deciding not to have some medical stuff done. Of course, I am a non-medical procedure person in many ways, I do most of my own doctoring as it is.

[wagglebee]

Pinged from Terri Dailies

[Petruchio]

I have always refused to be an organ donor and this just cements my position.

The way I figure, if my organs did not work well enough to keep me alive, then they should not be trusted to be in anybody else!

[exDemMom]

I not only selected “No” on the organ donor card, but (since it is so easy to separate from the driver’s license) I write “Not an organ donor” on the back of my license.

I find the idea of hoping and praying that a person who is alive and healthy right now will die so that some unhealthy person can get their organs incredibly immoral.

There’s also the issue that if that unhealthy person goes on to have kids, they may very well be passing on whatever made them unhealthy to begin with. I don’t find that very moral, either.