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Posted on 05/31/2010 5:54:00 AM PDT by markomalley
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What a cluster goat screw by the IDF. I expexted better operational tactics from them.
The IDF should have fabricated a ship-disabling mini-homing torpedo for these contingencies. It would go for the propellers, and instead of expolosives it would unspool clouds of thin kevlar and wire lines to foul the props and stop the ships.
The IDF pioneered UAVs with mini missiles that only destroy one car without breaking windows across the street. You would think they would have had a technical answer for these ships, short of the FUBAR spectacle of boarding them with commandos, on film.
There are already mini-torpedos used as decoys and for other special purposes. These can be used as the existing chassis. Only the homing method and payload would have to be changed.
We never hear about it now that W is resting.
But when a Palestinian blows him/herself up killing dozens of Israelis...*crickets*
I guess this journalist for AsiaNews, whatever that is, couldn't find a taxi driver.
Are you assuming a full and unbiased reporting of all the relevant facts?
This sounds like a staged event and a PR spin from beginning to end.
Now, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But knowing how the state-run mediots spin stories like these, it has all the makings of a fabricated incident to further isolate Israel and demonize her national defense.
Boarding these ships with commandos was a guaranteed cluster foxtrot, with children used as shields and international film crews sympathetic to the PLO and Hamas.
THere was no way it could work (seizing the bridges AND “after steering”) on all of the ships, with the element of surprise.
It had a ZERO % chance of working, and a 99% chance of total FUBAR.
Which is stupid, when covert technical means could have been used to quietly and invisibly disable the ships far out at sea.
These so-called “activists” got exactly what they wanted: fresh dead bodies and all of them martyrs.
Now they have a new cause to get the “Arab street” all fired up, and with any luck Premier Hussein will be joining them shortly.
Anyone care to wager when the US will bring this to the UN Security Counsel and sponsor a resolution condemning Israel for it??
I would have preferred if those ships quietly went “boom” in the night and sank with all hands.
We live in a PR world, and PR must be accounted for.
Ships drifting far out at sea become a farcical spectacle, instead of the tragedy and outrage the PLO was hoping for, and the IDF served them, on a platter.
Exactly. That is why it was a set up. Israel can’t allow ships to deliver goods to PA...just because they claim they are carrying “humanitarian aid.” What a load of crap. The anti-Israelis consider anything that can kill Jews as “humanitarian aid,” because they are aiding anti-Israelis by enabling them to kill Jews.
Once the PA destroys Israel’s ability to check the flow of supplies to the PA, those ships will be carrying weapons.
The IDF did not screw up. Look at how the articles about the “attack” are worded.
The IDF boarded the ship and were fired upon. It was not “attacked”.
Too bad they were not already available. How much better if the story today was the farcical spectacle of the ships adrift at sea, begging for a tow?
Look, anybody with experience at ship boardings could tell you this was a guaranteed FUBAR cluster-foxtrot to board the ships with commandos. 100% guaranteed FUBAR, on film.
Totally stupid, when covert technical means could have been used to disable the ships’ propellers.
I think it is too soon to judge. We have to sort out all the spin in the news first. Israel is not stupid. They did what they had to.
It would still be spun against Israel.
They are damned if they do and dead if they don’t.
Because they are too much like America for Saudi and Islamofascist taste.
You overlook the most important criteria for the operation.
That is, to take possession of the vessels, the cargo and passengers and bring all to the desired port under absolute control and in accord with precedent and established procedure.
Mere stopping the vessels was not the objective
It will be spun against Israel in any case. Of course.
But ships disabled and adrift lack the sturm und drang of a botched commando assault into the teeth of children-shields and international film crews.
What film would we see instead? Boring films of propellers fouled with wires and lines. It would actually be funny, and even Israel haters would tip their hats at the cleverness of the solution.
No commandoes, no babies, no screaming.
That objective was stupid, with a 99% chance of turning into a PR catastrophe.
If the mission is to arrange a virgin birth in a blizzard on a skateboard, the mission is STUPID.
Gallipoli was also a mission. It was also a STUPID mission.
Well, THIS Freeper is a bit nervous since one of my kids is over there now...she comes home next week. She was in Hebron a few days ago (Arab territory) and they took the group there in a bullet-proof bus. They would not go there now...
IDF went in in darkness and surprised the ships by boarding outside Israeli territorial waters. They went for all film and video crews but a Turkish crew evaded them and sent out the footage
The PR ripple would have been much lower the way you say to do it. But perhaps Israel wanted this to be public and in your face. Right now the US is really backstabbing Israel by trying to force them into a UN nuclear inspection regime. Where the UN gets to proclaim that since Israel won’t open up for inspection then Iran is perfectly justified in seeking nuclear weapons. Not that Israel has ever admitted having nukes nor has it ever joined the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty which Iran has joined.
Israel just might be getting ready to do anything and welcome anything.
India, Israel and Pakistan
Three statesIndia, Israel, and Pakistanhave declined to sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty. India and Pakistan are confirmed nuclear powers, and Israel has a long-standing policy of deliberate ambiguity (see List of countries with nuclear weapons). These countries argue that the NPT creates a club of “nuclear haves” and a larger group of “nuclear have-nots” by restricting the legal possession of nuclear weapons to those states that tested them before 1967, but the treaty never explains on what ethical grounds such a distinction is valid.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the IDF and Cabinet operational meetings now.
I’m sure there was a faction that had pushed for covert technical means, who are now yelling “We told you so!” at the “go commando” faction.
Just SINK them!
I have it! Torpedo the ships, using stolen North Korean torpedos! LOL. Frame the jerk NORKS!
Id love to be a fly on the wall in the IDF and Cabinet operational meetings now.
Im sure there was a faction that had pushed for covert technical means, who are now yelling We told you so! at the go commando faction.>>>>>>>>>>>>
Israel learns from it’s mistakes. Like I said.....they may have wanted a noticeable response here and not a clever stealth response. Now the ball is in the Muslims court. Lets see what they do besides get more UN condemnations.
Pro-Israeli sentiment aside, this was a major boneheaded move by the IDF.
How about they first do a blockade, then send a representative to the ship to meet with the captain and discuss boarding to do a general search. You play it out long enough so the international press can see there’s no “aggression” by Israel. If it checks out, it checks out and they go on their way. If there’s contraband, you go back to the IDF ship, keep the blockade and release a statement to the press on your findings and why you won’t let the flotilla proceed.
Killing “aid workers”, whether they were or not, is perceptively one of the worst things a military can do. It doesn’t matter what the truth is at this point, because the media will not let the truth surface.
Israeli Navy Addresses a Ship in the Flotilla and Offers it to Dock in the Ashdod Port
Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship
Israel should send aid to the Kurds and see what Turkey thinks.
Yes, they will learn from this.
They’d go to the PA region and dummy some pics of hungry, dirty children in dire need of medical attention. Then they would show pictures of the ships adrift. And then they show pictures of the Israelis eating the flesh of Muslims.
I’m not arguing with you. I’m just saying, they are damned if they do and dead if they don’t. And Israel’s enemies, like ours, will use every situation to demonize us and elevate our enemies.
Essentially, Israel has to give up being liked, just like America needs to, and has to do what they need to do.
This was not meant to be a “raid” on this ship. It was designed to be a peaceful boarding and Israel was NOT using lethal force. They were in the midst of boarding when the “peaceful protestors” attacked them with sharpened metal rods, long knives, heavy pipes, and bats. An Israeli soldier was stabbed critically in the stomach and the PROTESTORS fired shots before the order for the IDF to fire was given.
They wanted the ships in tact for inspection. There would have been no “attack” if they had not been forced to defend themselves.
That is why you are only seeing a scant few seconds of a video clip because if they show it all, it is clear who started this fight.
Shoulda coulda would. Not "meant" to be. Wahhh.
Do you realize how naive all that sounds? We live in the REAL world, not the "meant to be" world. We must deal with REALITY, not what it was "meant to be."
They always show pics of dirty hungry children. The world is used to those images, they have little or no impact. Ships adrift have no “zing” as PR images. They just make the organizers of the trip look like unprepared fools.
Most important thing to remember is this, the enemies of Israel are using the MSM sympathy strategy to paint a false image of Israel as wanton mad dog out of control killing machines upon defenseless aid givers.
Give me a friggin break.
Go Israel, its your right of survival.You have every right to defend your country.
Something a lot of Americans need to remember.
The sooner Israel learns to not give a damn about PR and instead acts in its own interest regardless of the media, the better of we'll all be in the long run.
Totally agree. See my #41. What amazes me is how many people seem to be concerned about “PR” and media spin. Those things are meaningless in terms of protecting your own citizens.
Travis, this is Israel we are talking about in a world that hates them. There were so-called parliamentarians from 25 different countries on those ships. Israel was repeatedly assured by said countries and by the protestors themselves they would NOT be met with violence.
IDF: Ships will be taken to Ashdod Port
The IDF said that the ships would be taken to the Ashdod Port where, despite the violence, the cargo they hold will be inspected and then transferred to the. Gaza Strip via land crossings. Israeli Navy commander Vice-Admiral Eliezer Marom was commanding over the operation from sea.
The Navy made initial contact with the flotilla at 11 p.m. on Sunday ordering the ships to follow them to Ashdod Port or otherwise be boarded.
The actual boarding of the ships took place at 2 a.m. Monday and was yet to be completed by 8 a.m.
Activists aboard the ships repeatedly said they would not respond with violence to the navy’s interception of their flotilla prior to the boarding.
I suspect the judgement of Israeli Navy commander Vice-Admiral Eliezer Marom will face quite an onslaught from Netanyahu and the Knesset over this.
PS. It is not ME being naive. You would think that after being consistently lied to on all matters big and small, Israeli commanders would know better. Still, Israel would lose in ANY situation real or imagined and haniyeh has said as much.
DUM DE DUM DUM
DUM DE DUM DUM
DUM DE DUM DUM DUM!
CUE DRAGNET THEME.
Go back to your video game ....
SOP for boarding and inspecting a suspected vessel that will not comply. That or live fire. They were ordered to stand by for boarding.
Let's not fool ourselves...this alliance is the origin of the next great World War.
One day Israel will have to use her nukes to survive...all of them.
What would Russia have done?
This is just NOT a good time for our friends to go to Israel. I hope they will now reconsider going on their trip at this time. In the meantime, prayers are going up for Israel.