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Exclusive: Are the Turks Preparing for War Against Israel?
FamilySecurityMatters.org ^ | June 1, 2010 | Paul Williams, PhD

Posted on 06/01/2010 1:41:06 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

A statement from the Turkish government promises “unprecedented and incalculable reprisals” against Israel for the Israeli Navy’s seizure of the Marmora, a Turkish vessel, which was leading a fleet of ships through the Gaza blockade over the weekend. The statement has received the support of Hezbollah, an arm of the Iranian government, and Hamas, the Palestinian network.

Such measures will not be confined to diplomatic censure.

Reports from Ankara, the capital of Turkey, state that the government, which remains under the control of the Justice and Democratic Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma, AKP), is planning to continue pounding the Israeli blockade with more flotillas that will be escorted by Turkish warships and fighter jets.

Israel merchant vessels moored outside Ashdodport have been instructed to sail into port and take shelter in case of missile attacks from the Gaza Strip against Ashdod and Ashkelon.

In expectation of an outbreak of war, the Turkish chief of staff Gen. Ilker Basbug has been recalled to Ankara from a visit to Egypt. Greece has since halted its joint exercise with Israel in protest against the naval action.

Israeli warplanes have headed west over the Mediterranean on Monday morning in support of the still ongoing Israeli commando operation aboard the Turkish Marmora, the scene of violent clashes between Israeli troops and the 600 “peace activists,” some of them armed.

The Turkish government, under Prime Minister Recep Erdogan, reported 15 dead aboard the vessel. Israeli army spokesman, Col. Avi Beneyahu, called the incident “an act of terror on the high seas.”

Far from being a humanitarian mission, according to Col. Beneyahu, the flotilla was sponsored personally by the Turkish government to break the Israeli blockade on Gaza and permit arms supplies and terrorist to reach the Gaza Strip in an unrestricted manner.

The Israeli army spokesman said that the Turks aimed at provoking a widely publicized international incident with fatalities in order to show Israel using strong-arm tactics against unarmed peaceniks.

He further maintained that the Turkish government refused to heed warnings that the vessels would be prevented from entering Gaza Port and rejected Israeli offers to ferry their aid cargo overland to the Gaza Strip.

An estimated 19 activists were killed battling with Israeli troops, and dozens more were injured. Ten Israeli soldiers were wounded, two critically.

According to the Israelis, passengers, armed with knives and iron bars, mobbed the Israeli commandos as soon as they landed on the deck of the Marmara. One passenger allegedly snatched from a sidearm from an Israeli soldier and proceeded to fire at the commandos.

In the midst of mounting tensions, the Arab League Council has called for an emergency meeting today to demand Egypt to end its joint embargo with Israel on Gaza.

Egypt will face pressure to end its joint embargo on Gaza with Israel at the Arab League Council meeting urgently Tuesday, June 1st. Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas demanded the session.

Demonstrations against Israel continue to rage in Syria, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, and Greece.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemiticturks; antisemitism; antizionism; cyprus; ezekiel; israel; leftwingracist; liberalantisemitism; muzziecivilwar; obadiah; obamahatesjews; psalms; religionofpieces; socialistracism; terrorflotilla; turkey; turkishterrorists; zephaniah
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Ezekiel 38 tells us that Russia will lead an invasion on Israel in the last days. Turkey is one of the nations God said would join with Russia in this invasion. Turkey and Israel were strong allies until Israel invaded the Gaza to stop the rockets the PLO were launching into Israel. Most of the people killed in this weekend's raid on the boat were from Turkey.

The Gaza situation as well as the stall peace talks will get much worse. Tensions are going to mount up until the Arabs make their attempt in taking back Jerusalem. The attack by the Arabs will fulfill the Psalm 83 war. When Turkey sees Israel has wiped out the Arabs in much the same way they did in the previous wars, Turkey will rush in with Russia and the rest of Russia’s allies in another attempt to wipe Israel off the map. The nations who attack Israel in both the Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 wars will at this time see what the following warning by God meant. “There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel”

The Middle East is a time bomb ready to explode and the issue of peace and safety along with the Gaza problem will no doubt start the fuse.

1 posted on 06/01/2010 1:41:07 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I don’t think they will attack. I think this is chest pounding for the benefit of the Iranians.


2 posted on 06/01/2010 1:42:32 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

The Turks are NATO. If Israel counterattacks what obligation do we have to get involved?


3 posted on 06/01/2010 1:43:49 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Meanwhile the media ignores the fact that Egypt also enforces the blockade of Gaza and they aren’t as gentle about it as Israel.


4 posted on 06/01/2010 1:44:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

If so, then real soon the phrase “Damascus Glass” will take on a whole new meaning.


5 posted on 06/01/2010 1:45:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Indeed, provoke Israel to invoke NATO ??


6 posted on 06/01/2010 1:45:13 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Demonstrations against Israel continue to rage in Syria, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, and Greece.”

Doesnt Greece have bigger fish to fry?


7 posted on 06/01/2010 1:46:51 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: GonzoGOP
The Turks are NATO. If Israel counterattacks what obligation do we have to get involved?

NATO countries would be required to intervene on Turkey's behalf if Turkey were to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

8 posted on 06/01/2010 1:47:47 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: GonzoGOP

This crap is dangerous as hell.

The Turks are also bombing the kurds in Iraq.


9 posted on 06/01/2010 1:48:11 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1 Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

TEAM ISRAEL!


10 posted on 06/01/2010 1:48:51 PM PDT by BossLady (No More Corona in Arizona!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Turkey has been becoming less secular and more Koran-observant for a good decade or so. To see the Turks becoming more hostile toward Israel does not surprise me one bit. It almost looks like the governments of the world are turning against Israel at an ever-increasing rate - even America. But then again, once a nation has become Socialized what else could it do?


11 posted on 06/01/2010 1:49:10 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DTogo
The Turkish Army may have fallen on hard times but they won't attack Israel. The trash followers of Recep Erdogan
can not find their way out of a paper bag.
Love him or hate him at least Ataturk was a great man.
These Islamists are losers of extraordinary puffery
12 posted on 06/01/2010 1:50:55 PM PDT by Hans
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

If Eqypt caves to pressure, invest in shovels and earth moving equipment.


13 posted on 06/01/2010 1:50:58 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: GonzoGOP

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128532&sectionid=351020202

The Turks aren’t acting as a NATO rep., they’re doing this on their on.


14 posted on 06/01/2010 1:51:14 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Is there a score card of which nations support Israel and those that are against?


15 posted on 06/01/2010 1:51:24 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Istanbul lshit.


16 posted on 06/01/2010 1:53:09 PM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: SunStar

NATO countries are not required to respond (see Kosovo or Iraq war).

Turkey would not be attached (if Turkey forces enter/approach Israel and Israel destroyes them, it is the fault to Turkey. Though, Omaba may take the opportunity and finish Israel once and for all.


17 posted on 06/01/2010 1:54:10 PM PDT by heiss
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

18 posted on 06/01/2010 1:54:10 PM PDT by TitansAFC (The Left does not devote so much effort into attacking Sarah Palin because she's a weak candidate.)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Just being hysterical. This too may pass.

Has anyone heard that Ayres & Dorhn were involved with the floatilla instigation? I thought I heard this about an hour ago on Steve Marlzberg’s radio show. He was interviewing Ms. Glick, Bebe’s former policy adviser.


19 posted on 06/01/2010 1:55:28 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Professional Politicians are a Threat to the Republic! Remove them on 11-3-10!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Reports from Ankara, the capital of Turkey, state that the government, which remains under the control of the Justice and Democratic Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma, AKP), is planning to continue pounding the Israeli blockade with more flotillas that will be escorted by Turkish warships and fighter jets.”

Fine.

Now, to Hell with Turkey.


20 posted on 06/01/2010 1:55:36 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Is there a score card of which nations support Israel and those that are against?

For who is against Israel just read an Atlas. For who is with them there is another book.
21 posted on 06/01/2010 1:57:56 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Turkey and Israel were strong allies until Israel invaded the Gaza to stop the rockets the PLO were launching into Israel.

Actually, they were staunch allies until the people of Turkey (against the wishes of the ever powerful Turkish military) decided to elect an Islamic party into power.

Very much like what the American people did in 2008 with a similar effect on our government's policy toward Israel.

22 posted on 06/01/2010 1:59:40 PM PDT by katana (Part Neanderthal, and proud of it!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

This sounds big. Is this big?


23 posted on 06/01/2010 2:02:42 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Hate to be the one to rain on the parade,,, but Ezekiel 38 says nothing of the sort.


24 posted on 06/01/2010 2:06:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

What would really be incredible is if Israel simply evacuated their state. The Palestinians would become the new Kurds, as Jordan, Syria, and Egypt fill the vacuum and turn them into their Arab slaves.


25 posted on 06/01/2010 2:09:29 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: GonzoGOP

none,,, If a NATO member starts a war, why would we be obligated to help them? Besides,,, in reality, NATO only makes sense if it serves American interests.


26 posted on 06/01/2010 2:10:32 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

YEah, it actually says “The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.” :b


27 posted on 06/01/2010 2:11:35 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Hans

One outcome could indeed be another coup by the Turkish military to restore secular rule.
The other outcome, Turkey going to war against Israel and invoking NATO, has severe Biblical implications impacting even here.


28 posted on 06/01/2010 2:13:15 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democrat Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: DTogo

“Indeed, provoke Israel to invoke NATO ??”

No way,, because despite all their chest beating for their local savage populations,, France, Germany, Italy, England, etc all know that they need Israel as a buffer against Islam. All secretly know that if Israel goes down... their lot in life gets a lot more difficult.


29 posted on 06/01/2010 2:13:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
You're not raining on any "parade"- this is ongoing fulfillment of Bible prophecy, not a "parade".

And, not to rain on your parade, but Ezekiel 38 and 39 detail a Russian-Muslim coalition, which includes the nation of Turkey, that will invade Israel sometime in the future.

The nations which are given in the Ezekiel prophecy as those who will be involved in this invasion are now in the process of forming alliances and signing war pacts and getting extremely chummy.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 speak of a war, the preparations of which are being made right now, which will happen and Turkey is most definitely a participant.

30 posted on 06/01/2010 2:14:26 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: ichabod1

lol,,, forgot about that.


31 posted on 06/01/2010 2:15:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
For Israel: The United States of America (some of the time).

Against Israel: the rest of the world.

32 posted on 06/01/2010 2:16:12 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: ichabod1
Here is what it really says:

A Prophecy Against Gog

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of [b] Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush [c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

7 " 'Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land." 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages [d] will say to you, "Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?" '

14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.

17 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel? At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'

33 posted on 06/01/2010 2:18:42 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Turkey never ever should have been trusted.

I was one of the few...just a few years ago...who was warning about Turkey. And people were acting stupid about Turkey

Remember when they tried to pass that House Resolution condemming Turkey (Ottoman Empire) for the atrocities committed against Armenians around the trun of the 20th C? So many non-Conservative Republicans were whining about that resolution....claiming Turkey was our “ally”.

Fact was....Turkey was never an ally....Turkey refused US planes to fly over its territory during the Iraq War...yet we had non-Conservative GOP supporting Turkey...and criticizing the resolution. Also, Turkey (Ottoman Empire), as a Muslim nation, was committing genocide against Christian Armenians....

Turkey is an Islamic nation. Forget their membership in NATO....its belief in a faith that is intolerant and hateful precludes it from being considered anything more than a “cancer”. Also, Turkey is now drifting further into becoming an Islamic Terrorist state....they are not even feigning “secularism” anymore....


34 posted on 06/01/2010 2:21:17 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD Hayworth for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Ezekiel 38 and 39 detail a Russian-Muslim coalition”

Interesting,,, but of course, they don’t actually use those phrases “Russian” and “Muslim” though, do they? Thats what someone, somewhere modern, ,, says it meant, right? Not agreeing with this scholar is perfectly legit. Isn’t it funny, how a prophesy intended for us, isn’t written in a way that anyone can easily interpret what it meant? Ever wonder why they wouldnt just use terms we would all know?


35 posted on 06/01/2010 2:21:50 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The Turks are buggering puppets of Islam. Even T. Lawrence knew that the Turks preferred little boys and men to women. If the Turks, as mean as they are, attack Israel, look to see Turkey inhabited by small creatures and insects for years to come.


36 posted on 06/01/2010 2:23:51 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Good points. Turkey is no friend. Sad too whats happened there, as the original home of Christianity.


37 posted on 06/01/2010 2:24:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Ezekiel used the names of the nations as they existed in his time.

That doesn't then mean that the fact that those same nations, which now have names such as Russia, Turkey, Iran, Ethiopia, etc., that were called something different when God gave Ezekiel the prophecy mean that the prophecy is negated and is rendered meaningless.

The fact that limited, finite man cannot grasp something that God has said, or cannot, in his extremely limited understanding, see prophecy being fulfilled when it is happening right in front of his face, mean that the prophecy is not happening and will not come to pass just as God said it will.

Just like the hundreds of Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled down through the years have happened just like God said that would, the Exekiel prophecy will also come to pass.

And it will happen in our generation.

38 posted on 06/01/2010 2:29:39 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: vetvetdoug

If the turks attack, also look for half their 200 F-16s to be lost in an afternoon. Review Bekaa valley. Dropping a few cluster bombs on Kurds with enfields is a very different propsition than fighting the Israeli Air Force on it’s own turf.


39 posted on 06/01/2010 2:32:53 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“The fact that limited, finite man cannot grasp something that God has said”

hmmmmmm it’s sort of ironic to put it that way. Because some finite minds claim to be able to grasp it just fine.

Anyway,, so then it should be a simple matter to translate. Ezekiel used the word that widely meant the modern territory of “Russia” and “Turkey” in those days? That should be a simple matter of translation. Like calling France “Gaul” or some such,,, that basically your opinion??


40 posted on 06/01/2010 2:44:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Fred Hayek

“One outcome could indeed be another coup by the Turkish military to restore secular rule.”

Ding ding ding,,, we have a winner.


41 posted on 06/01/2010 2:45:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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I can't help but wonder if Turkey is looking to challenge Iran by bringing back the "Ottoman Empire," as the leader of the muslim caliphate. Iran will have nukes, but Turkey may be trying to gain a following by demonizing Israel.

Mark

42 posted on 06/01/2010 2:48:31 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

sounds like they are swinging towards the Islamic orbit (as there soon won’t likely be an EU for them to worry about joining)


43 posted on 06/01/2010 2:52:47 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MarkL

Hmmmm,,, interesting take. Because all Turkey really has to do is stand by and watch as the Iranians and Israelis duke it out.

Turkey really isn’t involved here and is sorta forcing it’s way in. Also, anyone have any ideas as to whether or not Turkey is anything like Greece financially? States with crappy financial situations often look to the warpath for a solution.


44 posted on 06/01/2010 2:54:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: sonofstrangelove; jhpigott; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; SunkenCiv; MestaMachine

*ping*


45 posted on 06/01/2010 2:55:59 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: blam; FromLori; DesertRhino

Anyone happen to know if Turkey is as financially precarious as the European ‘pigs’, (i.e. portugal, italy, greece, spain)?


46 posted on 06/01/2010 2:58:18 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: DesertRhino
Ezekiel used the word that widely meant the modern territory of “Russia” and “Turkey” in those days? That should be a simple matter of translation. Like calling France “Gaul” or some such,,, that basically your opinion??

Oh no, it's not my opinion. I get my information from people who spend their lives studying eschatology:

Ezekiel 38 & 39 (Part 2)

Ezekiel 38 & 39 (Part 3)

Ezekiel 38 & 39 (Part 4)

Ezekiel 38 & 39 (Part 5)

Now I'd be happy to hear exactly why these scholars are incorrect.

47 posted on 06/01/2010 3:02:03 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: TitansAFC
Kitchen cutlery and sticks equal arming terrorists?

You fear terrorists armed with kitchen cutlery and sticks?

48 posted on 06/01/2010 3:02:48 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: DesertRhino
Ezekiel 38 & 39 (Part 5)
49 posted on 06/01/2010 3:07:00 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

“Are the Turks Preparing for War Against Israel?”

Everybody over there is preparing for war against Israel!


50 posted on 06/01/2010 3:22:47 PM PDT by mark3681
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