Skip to comments.I can plug leak, says NY genius
Posted on 06/02/2010 3:31:54 AM PDT by Scanian
BP's engineers can't stop the gushing oil spill, but a young genius from Long Island says she found the solution in less time than it takes most people to finish a crossword puzzle.
Since the "top kill," "junk shot" and "top hat" techniques failed to end the environmental nightmare, Alia Sabur -- who started her engineering Ph.D. at age 14 -- is pushing for a more radical idea.
The Northport native, who started reading before she could walk and who at 18 broke a 300-year-old record to become the youngest-ever college professor, proposes surrounding a pipe with deflated automobile tires, inserting it into the leaking riser, and then inflating the wheels to form a seal.
She calls the plan the "seabed retread."
"It's not completely out there, considering that tires are used for everything and they're expected to withstand a lot," Sabur, 21, told The Post.
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Amazing. I had roughly the same idea, with used condoms.
No really, I hope she’ll be listened to ASAP, and it’ll work.
Actually, it’s not a bad idea...just call it a temp, and once you get things blocked (even just an hour)...you dump in the mud and stuff behind that blockage to concrete things down permanently. My suggested name for the idea: “The Goodyear Block”.
why don’t they use Liquid Nitrogen?
In the meantime, can we get a few hoses at the point of the leak to intercept some of the gushing oil for now???
The trick would be getting the pipe ‘n tires down into the well, wouldn’t it?
It’s more similar to a gigantic tampon actually.
If it’s stupid and it works, it’s not stupid.
How many thousands of pounds per square inch can a 40 psi tire take? Not to mention the concrete cap wouldn’t settle because the air lines froze. Maybe a doughnut shaped sleeve with a not so highly compressible gas that has a super low freezing point might be an idea.
Genius????? If this is our newest and “brightest”, then we are in deep shit!
She should know that it is not only futile, to use a device that is only meant to withstand less than a hundred pounds of pressure, to stop pressures exceeding 10 THOUSAND PSI!
But then, like our Boy President, they are THE smartest people on the Planet. What ever they think of has to be correct by proxy.
Excellent Post, and article on the other end. I wonder if someone who might break this, like Beck, has this info...?
sounds similar to something I said here last week. ALthough I think she’s referring to inner tubes, and My suggestion was to inflate them with that mud they use rather than air.
Exactly. Why does everyone think the oil is trickling out like a bubbling stream? If it were so easy, I’m sure BP, losing millions and millions of dollars per day, would have thought of that.
Your first link - oil dispersant companies blocking capping the leak? All righty.
She has no idea of the pressures involved here. If it were that simple to insert something into that pipe, they would have driven a conical plug into it a long time ago.
I think this idea would stop the leak better than trying to jam tires down the shaft.
Withstand a lot!? Deflating, inflating wheels one mile under the sea? It looks like some crucial details have been left out.
How much is "a lot?" ...sounds naive.
She may be a genius, but she's guilty.
...another idea from the “private”sector that will be rejected because Odumbo knows best....let’s see if Hollywood can fix it, much like CSI was suppose to find the DC sniper.
DEEPWATER HORIZON WAS AN INSIDE JOB
Gee, this Truther stuff is fun! I get to make inflammatory statements without a shred of evidence.
I can’t decide... Do I want to be a MIHOP or a LIHOP?
“The trick would be getting the pipe n tires down into the well, wouldnt it?”
I’ve heard the oil has 1400 psi behind it.
Might work but I’m curious as to the inflation is for, since tired generally don’t expand that much. Also, 1400 psi is more than enough to rip the tires off a core if you’re looking for an ‘airtight’ seal.
And then there’s the pressure of being down at 5000 feet and the 156 atmospheres of pressure.
Arrogant probable Obama voter.
Let's try her idea, with the proviso that if it fails, she bears all subsequent costs for the leak, OR, has to give up her doctorate and professorship.
(If BP should be punished for failure, why shouldn't she?)
I suggest cylinders containing liquid nitrogen be inserted in the well so that when opened the expanding nitrogen would act as a jet pushing the cylinder further down and would freeze the oil providing enough time to use the heavy mud and then the cement.
Can’t work. There is drill pipe stuck in the BOP and the BOP rams are partially closed, you ain’t going to jam anything solid down into it. The only way to kill the well is bottom kill from the relief wells. The only thing you can do now is try and contain the flowing oil better. I’m not a genius from New York, just someone who understands what happened and what is going on right now.
Nothing more than a pesky little problem, like trying to stuff a string down a running water hose.
"Put some stuff in the well and hope it stops the leak"?
People are forgetting this thing has a mile of water on top of it. Getting ANYTHING down there is hard.
There’s also this little problem of leak pressure - enough to still be blowing oil out at high rate despite having a mile of water pushing down on it. Try stuffing anything into a garden hose turned on full blast; this is a whole lot harder than that.
With the government involoved NOTHING innovative is possible. They have passed on the sea-vacuum that the Saudi’s successfully used. Also, I read a posting recently about how much the Obama cronies will make in oil-dispersants supplied by a Chicago comapny. If this keeps up they’ll all be very, very rich. Don’t expect a solution soon as rich cronies supply the money for campaigns.
Like I said, she should stick with her class room.
The relief wells are the whole answer. We just have to ameliorate the leak in the meantime, and ignore the 24/7 panic from the MSM.
We are dealing with an extremely complex law of physics here. This so called “genius” is just another arrogant idiot who think that what ever they think of is the ONLY answer.
She needs to work in the Petroleum Engineering world for a while and learn something before she comes off with such stupid and ignorant “solutions”.
i hope this is just bad writing and not the real words of this "genius".
A auto "tire" does not appreciably change size when you let the air out, unless your car or something is resting on it.
Think about it - you've seen tires lying around - they're just as big off the wheel as they are on it!
And "inflating the wheel" is just too stupid to believe.
The idea could only make a modicum of sense if they were talking about inflating a TUBE, not a tire and not a wheel.
But even that is silly given that the tube inside pressure is 30-40 PSI, and the oil pressure is 10000 PSI.
I won't mention the fact that a slick rubber surface against an even slicker oily pipe is going to have a hard time holding on.
It might make sense if there was an inflatable thing capable of withstanding the pressures, and grabbing onto the pipe surface.
But auto tires?
Then, I guess if you're as dumb as this reporter, such an idea appears as "genius".
Agree she didn't take into account the pressure at that depth. At 5,000+ feet it is so great a manned submarine can't go that deep.
However there is a solution out there probably real simple. This is a true story: Years ago back when the interstates were being built they ran into a problem on I-65 in Alabama. They built an underpass too low for big trucks. A truck became stuck under one and they got engineers from all over the country to figure out how to get the truck out as cheap as possible. They worked for days and nothing worked. A kid on a bicycle came by and suggested they lower the air pressure in the trucks tires. They ran the kid off and said that wouldn't work. two days later they lowered the air pressure and moved the truck. . . .
I wondered about that. Yesterday, did they cut off the pipe string ABOVE the BOP? If so, the damaged BOP is still there, restricting access to the well head. How deep in the sea floor is the BOP before you can get to the drill pipe?
” and ignore the 24/7 panic from the MSM “
And also the ‘instant experts’ that spring up like weeds, among other places, on FR, with their “all-ya-gotta-do” ‘solutions’....
You are correct that the devil is in the details, as they say.
One first needs to know what PSI the oil is generating.
Then one must find a tire that can withstand that pressure. Maybe fighter aircraft tires.
Then one must find a tire with those characteristics that is the correct diameter.
Then, assuming that one tire will not do it, but that the tires must be stacked on the core pipe, how a stack of tires maybe 50 or 100 ft high will all get inflated at one time.
Oh, yes. One has to have an air compressor that will do the job in such a manner that all will inflate simultaneously or the inflated tire will be crushed by the oil pressure before the next one can inflate to back it up.
And then there is the small matter of how you get a bunch of limp uninflated tires to withstand the huge pressures and rate of oil flow long enough to get them down in the pipe.
The idea is probably a good one, but not using tires.
In the length of time spent and the predicted time frame, I would think that someone could manufacture an inflatable device that would start out narrower than the pipe, designed to withstand the pressures and inflatable from one end.
Sort of like a huge tough hot dog with internal cells around a pipe to give it a spine for insertion.
But then the Russians have used an atomic explosive device six times and it worked, so if stopping the leak was really the number one concern, that would have been done already.
Better to have the oil spill all over the TV than the Blagojevich trial fall out
By cutting off the damaged riser & casing to make a clean entry, to allow them to insert a spear, slips and packer, is a standard procedure to kill even the World's worst blowouts. They used this technique to kill the “Devil's Cigarette Lighter” in Saudi Arabia in the ‘60’s.
Most all wells get killed using this method. It was the first sensible thing I have heard since this fiasco started. And, the MaObama Administration has done nothing but complicate it and make it last much longer by interfering.
When you inflate something at that depth, you usually inflate it with a liquid that will float in water, such as diesel fuel. The liquid will not compress.
I believe that when they use lift bags at such depths, to lift items off the sea floor, they also use something like diesel fuel. Today they may use a more environmentally friendly liquid.
The White House pulled in James Cameron because he’s an ‘expert’ on underwater stuff from his movie making.
I guess BP doesn’t have any experts. IMO the real problem is forcing the drilling to be done in place like this. If this well were in 100 ft of water or in ANWR it would have been sealed by the 3rd day.
Try it on a small scale first. See if you can shove things into the end of your power sprayer hose while it’s shooting water. Or go to the nearest geyser and see how well you can stop it from the top while it’s going off. This girl couldn’t change a tire to save her life much less know how to use one to plug something spewing at 1000’s of psi. Does she even know what a power sprayer is?
You need to get below the exit point to even begin to stop it, honey.
Yeah, she seems to be missing a few details.
Does anybody remember the rainbow-colored goo from the 70’s that was marketed as a toy? Put a wad of the stuff on the end of a rigid straw and blow through it, and you’d get a rainbow-colored plastic “bubble” you could play with. The stuff didn’t inflate easily or evenly but it was fun. I’ve often wondered if they could use a similar technique on the pipe...similar to an angioplasty but leave the “balloon” in.