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I can plug leak, says NY genius
NY Post ^ | June 2, 2010 | KIERAN CROWLEY and JEREMY OLSHAN

Posted on 06/02/2010 3:31:54 AM PDT by Scanian

BP's engineers can't stop the gushing oil spill, but a young genius from Long Island says she found the solution in less time than it takes most people to finish a crossword puzzle.

Since the "top kill," "junk shot" and "top hat" techniques failed to end the environmental nightmare, Alia Sabur -- who started her engineering Ph.D. at age 14 -- is pushing for a more radical idea.

The Northport native, who started reading before she could walk and who at 18 broke a 300-year-old record to become the youngest-ever college professor, proposes surrounding a pipe with deflated automobile tires, inserting it into the leaking riser, and then inflating the wheels to form a seal.

She calls the plan the "seabed retread."

"It's not completely out there, considering that tires are used for everything and they're expected to withstand a lot," Sabur, 21, told The Post.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: experimentation; genius; innovation; prodigy
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1 posted on 06/02/2010 3:31:54 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Amazing. I had roughly the same idea, with used condoms.

No really, I hope she’ll be listened to ASAP, and it’ll work.


2 posted on 06/02/2010 3:37:11 AM PDT by Ayn And Milton
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To: Scanian

Actually, it’s not a bad idea...just call it a temp, and once you get things blocked (even just an hour)...you dump in the mud and stuff behind that blockage to concrete things down permanently. My suggested name for the idea: “The Goodyear Block”.


3 posted on 06/02/2010 3:37:17 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Scanian

why don’t they use Liquid Nitrogen?


4 posted on 06/02/2010 3:37:37 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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To: Scanian

In the meantime, can we get a few hoses at the point of the leak to intercept some of the gushing oil for now???


5 posted on 06/02/2010 3:37:49 AM PDT by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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To: Scanian

The trick would be getting the pipe ‘n tires down into the well, wouldn’t it?


6 posted on 06/02/2010 3:40:44 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Ayn And Milton

It’s more similar to a gigantic tampon actually.


7 posted on 06/02/2010 3:40:51 AM PDT by GEC (We're not drilling in ANWR because....)
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To: Scanian
The question is does BO/BS want the leaked sealed?

Bombshell expose'. The real reason the oil still flows into the Gulf of Mexico.

Top PR firm for BP tied to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel
8 posted on 06/02/2010 3:41:49 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Scanian

If it’s stupid and it works, it’s not stupid.


9 posted on 06/02/2010 3:42:36 AM PDT by Ronin
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To: Scanian

How many thousands of pounds per square inch can a 40 psi tire take? Not to mention the concrete cap wouldn’t settle because the air lines froze. Maybe a doughnut shaped sleeve with a not so highly compressible gas that has a super low freezing point might be an idea.


10 posted on 06/02/2010 3:42:37 AM PDT by printhead
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To: Scanian

Genius????? If this is our newest and “brightest”, then we are in deep shit!

She should know that it is not only futile, to use a device that is only meant to withstand less than a hundred pounds of pressure, to stop pressures exceeding 10 THOUSAND PSI!

But then, like our Boy President, they are THE smartest people on the Planet. What ever they think of has to be correct by proxy.


11 posted on 06/02/2010 3:44:38 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Man50D

Excellent Post, and article on the other end. I wonder if someone who might break this, like Beck, has this info...?


12 posted on 06/02/2010 3:47:57 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Scanian

sounds similar to something I said here last week. ALthough I think she’s referring to inner tubes, and My suggestion was to inflate them with that mud they use rather than air.


13 posted on 06/02/2010 3:48:13 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Scanian

14 posted on 06/02/2010 3:49:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Exactly. Why does everyone think the oil is trickling out like a bubbling stream? If it were so easy, I’m sure BP, losing millions and millions of dollars per day, would have thought of that.


15 posted on 06/02/2010 3:50:48 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Man50D

Your first link - oil dispersant companies blocking capping the leak? All righty.


16 posted on 06/02/2010 3:51:39 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: Scanian

She has no idea of the pressures involved here. If it were that simple to insert something into that pipe, they would have driven a conical plug into it a long time ago.


18 posted on 06/02/2010 3:52:38 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: Scanian

I think this idea would stop the leak better than trying to jam tires down the shaft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU


19 posted on 06/02/2010 3:52:50 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied pelicans died)
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To: Scanian
"It's not completely out there, considering that tires are used for everything and they're expected to withstand a lot," Sabur, 21, told The Post.

Withstand a lot!? Deflating, inflating wheels one mile under the sea? It looks like some crucial details have been left out.

How much is "a lot?" ...sounds naive.

20 posted on 06/02/2010 3:52:57 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Man50D

Unbelievable.


21 posted on 06/02/2010 3:53:37 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: Scanian; Perdogg

She may be a genius, but she's guilty.

22 posted on 06/02/2010 3:54:34 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Scanian

...another idea from the “private”sector that will be rejected because Odumbo knows best....let’s see if Hollywood can fix it, much like CSI was suppose to find the DC sniper.


23 posted on 06/02/2010 3:55:47 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Man50D

DEEPWATER HORIZON WAS AN INSIDE JOB

Gee, this Truther stuff is fun! I get to make inflammatory statements without a shred of evidence.

I can’t decide... Do I want to be a MIHOP or a LIHOP?


24 posted on 06/02/2010 3:56:47 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: Yardstick

“The trick would be getting the pipe ‘n tires down into the well, wouldn’t it?”

I’ve heard the oil has 1400 psi behind it.

Might work but I’m curious as to the inflation is for, since tired generally don’t expand that much. Also, 1400 psi is more than enough to rip the tires off a core if you’re looking for an ‘airtight’ seal.

And then there’s the pressure of being down at 5000 feet and the 156 atmospheres of pressure.


25 posted on 06/02/2010 3:56:56 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Scanian

Arrogant probable Obama voter.

Let's try her idea, with the proviso that if it fails, she bears all subsequent costs for the leak, OR, has to give up her doctorate and professorship.

(If BP should be punished for failure, why shouldn't she?)

Cheers!

26 posted on 06/02/2010 3:57:20 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Scanian

I suggest cylinders containing liquid nitrogen be inserted in the well so that when opened the expanding nitrogen would act as a jet pushing the cylinder further down and would freeze the oil providing enough time to use the heavy mud and then the cement.


27 posted on 06/02/2010 3:58:50 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Scanian
Barack's Problem

Cheers!

28 posted on 06/02/2010 3:58:55 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Scanian

Can’t work. There is drill pipe stuck in the BOP and the BOP rams are partially closed, you ain’t going to jam anything solid down into it. The only way to kill the well is bottom kill from the relief wells. The only thing you can do now is try and contain the flowing oil better. I’m not a genius from New York, just someone who understands what happened and what is going on right now.


29 posted on 06/02/2010 3:59:10 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: Yardstick

Nothing more than a pesky little problem, like trying to stuff a string down a running water hose.


30 posted on 06/02/2010 4:01:44 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Scanian
Does this idea break down to;

"Put some stuff in the well and hope it stops the leak"?

Genius? Really?

31 posted on 06/02/2010 4:04:41 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: Yardstick

Bingo.

People are forgetting this thing has a mile of water on top of it. Getting ANYTHING down there is hard.

There’s also this little problem of leak pressure - enough to still be blowing oil out at high rate despite having a mile of water pushing down on it. Try stuffing anything into a garden hose turned on full blast; this is a whole lot harder than that.


32 posted on 06/02/2010 4:04:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Perdogg

With the government involoved NOTHING innovative is possible. They have passed on the sea-vacuum that the Saudi’s successfully used. Also, I read a posting recently about how much the Obama cronies will make in oil-dispersants supplied by a Chicago comapny. If this keeps up they’ll all be very, very rich. Don’t expect a solution soon as rich cronies supply the money for campaigns.


33 posted on 06/02/2010 4:05:01 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Ayn And Milton
She needs to stick with teaching, not doing. There are just a few 'minor' details to deal with:
1) Tires don't hold air until they're on a wheel.
2) Wheels rust.
3) How do you get them in the well, past the partially sealed BOP with 10,000 psi oil gushing the other way?
4)How do you get the air in them, once they're in place (the local friendly BP service station doesn't fill tires)?
5) What's the coefficient of friction between the pipe and the tire?
6) in a three foot diameter pipe with 10,000 psi oil in it, the up force is about 10 million pounds (pi r squared p). What air pressure in the tire is required to resist this?

Like I said, she should stick with her class room.

34 posted on 06/02/2010 4:07:30 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: The Cajun

Well said.

The relief wells are the whole answer. We just have to ameliorate the leak in the meantime, and ignore the 24/7 panic from the MSM.


35 posted on 06/02/2010 4:07:52 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: driftdiver
he pressures are much more than you say. At 5,300 feet if depth, the overbalance from the WELL is 1400 psi even AFTER it is allowed to relieve itself and flow freely. The actual bottom hole pressures exceed 10,000 psi if it is not allowed to flow.

We are dealing with an extremely complex law of physics here. This so called “genius” is just another arrogant idiot who think that what ever they think of is the ONLY answer.

She needs to work in the Petroleum Engineering world for a while and learn something before she comes off with such stupid and ignorant “solutions”.

36 posted on 06/02/2010 4:08:45 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Scanian
proposes surrounding a pipe with deflated automobile tires, inserting it into the leaking riser, and then inflating the wheels to form a seal.

i hope this is just bad writing and not the real words of this "genius".

A auto "tire" does not appreciably change size when you let the air out, unless your car or something is resting on it.

Think about it - you've seen tires lying around - they're just as big off the wheel as they are on it!

And "inflating the wheel" is just too stupid to believe.

The idea could only make a modicum of sense if they were talking about inflating a TUBE, not a tire and not a wheel.

But even that is silly given that the tube inside pressure is 30-40 PSI, and the oil pressure is 10000 PSI.

I won't mention the fact that a slick rubber surface against an even slicker oily pipe is going to have a hard time holding on.

It might make sense if there was an inflatable thing capable of withstanding the pressures, and grabbing onto the pipe surface.

But auto tires?

Then, I guess if you're as dumb as this reporter, such an idea appears as "genius".

37 posted on 06/02/2010 4:09:53 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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"Can’t work."

Agree she didn't take into account the pressure at that depth. At 5,000+ feet it is so great a manned submarine can't go that deep.

However there is a solution out there probably real simple. This is a true story: Years ago back when the interstates were being built they ran into a problem on I-65 in Alabama. They built an underpass too low for big trucks. A truck became stuck under one and they got engineers from all over the country to figure out how to get the truck out as cheap as possible. They worked for days and nothing worked. A kid on a bicycle came by and suggested they lower the air pressure in the trucks tires. They ran the kid off and said that wouldn't work. two days later they lowered the air pressure and moved the truck. . . .

38 posted on 06/02/2010 4:09:57 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Eeverything Is Broken (RL Burnside) & Zero still blames Bush-So pour me another Tequila Shiela)
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To: The Cajun

I wondered about that. Yesterday, did they cut off the pipe string ABOVE the BOP? If so, the damaged BOP is still there, restricting access to the well head. How deep in the sea floor is the BOP before you can get to the drill pipe?


39 posted on 06/02/2010 4:09:59 AM PDT by jonascord (We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
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To: agere_contra

” and ignore the 24/7 panic from the MSM “

And also the ‘instant experts’ that spring up like weeds, among other places, on FR, with their “all-ya-gotta-do” ‘solutions’....


41 posted on 06/02/2010 4:13:14 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: printhead

You are correct that the devil is in the details, as they say.

One first needs to know what PSI the oil is generating.

Then one must find a tire that can withstand that pressure. Maybe fighter aircraft tires.

Then one must find a tire with those characteristics that is the correct diameter.

Then, assuming that one tire will not do it, but that the tires must be stacked on the core pipe, how a stack of tires maybe 50 or 100 ft high will all get inflated at one time.

Oh, yes. One has to have an air compressor that will do the job in such a manner that all will inflate simultaneously or the inflated tire will be crushed by the oil pressure before the next one can inflate to back it up.

And then there is the small matter of how you get a bunch of limp uninflated tires to withstand the huge pressures and rate of oil flow long enough to get them down in the pipe.

The idea is probably a good one, but not using tires.

In the length of time spent and the predicted time frame, I would think that someone could manufacture an inflatable device that would start out narrower than the pipe, designed to withstand the pressures and inflatable from one end.

Sort of like a huge tough hot dog with internal cells around a pipe to give it a spine for insertion.

But then the Russians have used an atomic explosive device six times and it worked, so if stopping the leak was really the number one concern, that would have been done already.

Better to have the oil spill all over the TV than the Blagojevich trial fall out


42 posted on 06/02/2010 4:13:51 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: agere_contra
Actually, what BP is currently attempting, is the best solution so far.

By cutting off the damaged riser & casing to make a clean entry, to allow them to insert a spear, slips and packer, is a standard procedure to kill even the World's worst blowouts. They used this technique to kill the “Devil's Cigarette Lighter” in Saudi Arabia in the ‘60’s.

Most all wells get killed using this method. It was the first sensible thing I have heard since this fiasco started. And, the MaObama Administration has done nothing but complicate it and make it last much longer by interfering.

43 posted on 06/02/2010 4:16:42 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Scanian

When you inflate something at that depth, you usually inflate it with a liquid that will float in water, such as diesel fuel. The liquid will not compress.

I believe that when they use lift bags at such depths, to lift items off the sea floor, they also use something like diesel fuel. Today they may use a more environmentally friendly liquid.


44 posted on 06/02/2010 4:17:44 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The White House pulled in James Cameron because he’s an ‘expert’ on underwater stuff from his movie making.

I guess BP doesn’t have any experts. IMO the real problem is forcing the drilling to be done in place like this. If this well were in 100 ft of water or in ANWR it would have been sealed by the 3rd day.


45 posted on 06/02/2010 4:18:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Scanian

Try it on a small scale first. See if you can shove things into the end of your power sprayer hose while it’s shooting water. Or go to the nearest geyser and see how well you can stop it from the top while it’s going off. This girl couldn’t change a tire to save her life much less know how to use one to plug something spewing at 1000’s of psi. Does she even know what a power sprayer is?

You need to get below the exit point to even begin to stop it, honey.


46 posted on 06/02/2010 4:18:56 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Scanian
She calls the plan the "seabed retread."

Test it on San Fran Nan and see if it can keep her big mouth shut for at least five minutes.


 
47 posted on 06/02/2010 4:19:23 AM PDT by greedo
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To: printhead

Yeah, she seems to be missing a few details.


48 posted on 06/02/2010 4:19:36 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: Ayn And Milton

Does anybody remember the rainbow-colored goo from the 70’s that was marketed as a toy? Put a wad of the stuff on the end of a rigid straw and blow through it, and you’d get a rainbow-colored plastic “bubble” you could play with. The stuff didn’t inflate easily or evenly but it was fun. I’ve often wondered if they could use a similar technique on the pipe...similar to an angioplasty but leave the “balloon” in.


49 posted on 06/02/2010 4:19:49 AM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: jonascord
The BOP sits on top of the seafloor, it is tied to the casing string which runs into the earth to approx 18,000 feet. The drill pipe (much smaller than the casing) is stuck in the BOP and runs thousands of feet into the casing (don't know exactly how much drill pipe they had in hole (casing) at time of disaster).
Real simplified explanation.
50 posted on 06/02/2010 4:20:51 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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