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Military chiefs split with Mullen on gays--Deal rushes repeal of ban (Mullen flipped)
The Washington Times ^ | June 1, 2010 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 06/02/2010 9:10:24 AM PDT by jazusamo

The debate over gays in the military has driven an extraordinary public wedge between the nation's highest-ranking military officer and the four service chiefs who collectively make up the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Adm. Mike Mullen, Joint Chiefs chairman, in February first broke with the chiefs of the Navy, Air Force, Army and Marine Corps by endorsing President Obama's campaign pledge to end the military's ban on open homosexuals.

The gap widened last week. Adm. Mullen approved a White House deal for Congress to go ahead with a vote on repeal of the law barring openly gay members from the military, rather than waiting for completion in December of a Pentagon study that is seeking the views of troops. Adm. Mullen's move brought an instant rebuttal from the four chiefs in the form of letters to Congress urging lawmakers not to hold the vote.

In fact, the service chiefs did not see the Pentagon-White House-congressional deal to rush a vote until after the administration announced it May 24, Pentagon officials said.

Retired Air Force Gen. Charles Horner, who opposes lifting the ban, said he has never seen such a significant public split between the chiefs and the chairman.

"The chairman is deeply beholden to the secretary of defense and the president," said the former four-star officer, who directed the 1991 air war against Iraq. "He is in a tougher position than the service chiefs. And also the service chiefs are more directly concerned with things like readiness and personnel policies. I can see where this split occurs, for understandable reasons."

Asked whether he had ever witnessed such public disagreement with the four-star officers who run the military, Mr. Horner answered, "No, I have not."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dadt; gates; mullen; obama
It seems Chairman Mullen has no backbone, he flipped on waiting for the results of the impact study. It looks like he flipped due to pressure from Gates and Obama and it doesn't speak well for a man of integrity.
1 posted on 06/02/2010 9:10:24 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

There is no reason a person needs to be “openly gay” in the military. This whole emphasis on a political agenda involving some people’s sex habits is absurd and dangerous to our defense.


2 posted on 06/02/2010 9:12:41 AM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: jazusamo
You don't get to be Chair of the Joint Chiefs unless you are a politician first and last. Consider Colin Powell for example.
3 posted on 06/02/2010 9:13:05 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jazusamo

This is an excellent thing to have happen in the middle of two wars.


4 posted on 06/02/2010 9:14:45 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yep, all too familiar with Powell and didn’t think we’d have another like him this soon.


5 posted on 06/02/2010 9:14:47 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


6 posted on 06/02/2010 9:14:54 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: jazusamo
"It seems Chairman Mullen has no backbone, he flipped on waiting for the results of the impact study."

You presume that this wasn't Mullen's intention all along. I don't. Mullen is a typical California progressive. Bush made a HUGE mistake elevating him to CJCS. Bush thought in his weakened state, he couldn't get Pace reconfirmed, so he went with Mullen. Of course, given what Laura Bush has said recently, it's also possible that Bush was more closely aligned with Mullen, rather than Pace.

7 posted on 06/02/2010 9:15:08 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: jazusamo

This is just begging for internal sexual harassment.


8 posted on 06/02/2010 9:15:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Williams

The little fiddle is a-play over the uncommon situation of losing specialists of whom there is a critical shortage.


9 posted on 06/02/2010 9:17:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Williams
"There is no reason a person needs to be “openly gay” in the military. This whole emphasis on a political agenda involving some people’s sex habits is absurd and dangerous to our defense."

The question that was NEVER asked during the Senate hearings, was on the subject of cross-dressers & transvestites (or whatever they're calling themselves today).

What happens when the ship's Captain wants to step out in a cocktail dress and pumps? The possibilities are endless and NONE of them are good. This is going to be discipline and moral mess of EPIC proportions.

10 posted on 06/02/2010 9:17:38 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: jazusamo

No backbone or 30 pieces of silver for his future.


11 posted on 06/02/2010 9:17:40 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: OldDeckHand

You may be correct but if it was his intention it makes him a flat out liar.


12 posted on 06/02/2010 9:17:53 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Fighting 2 wars with 2 more major ones looming and this is of the utmost importance to "commander zero".

The effects on the blood supply alone should trash this crap.

13 posted on 06/02/2010 9:18:16 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: jazusamo

As far as I know Mullen has never demonstrated he even knows what integtity is. That said, The Joint Chiefs haven’t shown much either. I find it instructive that not one of them that I know of have objected to Onada-imposed ROE. But they raise their backs at the homosexual issue.


14 posted on 06/02/2010 9:20:31 AM PDT by dools007
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To: jazusamo
And also the service chiefs are more directly concerned with things like readiness and personnel policies.

The chairman should be at least as concerned about readiness and major personnel policies as are the service chiefs. Social tinkering is hardly the minutiae that he shouldn't be bothered about.

15 posted on 06/02/2010 9:21:17 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr
The chairman should be at least as concerned about readiness and major personnel policies as are the service chiefs.

My very thought on reading that. The service chiefs should be reporting that to the chairman on at least a weekly basis and he should be darned concerned with it.

16 posted on 06/02/2010 9:24:42 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

What’s the rush? We all know why. The November mid-terms.


17 posted on 06/02/2010 9:25:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Exactly and the writer points that out. The RATS know they’ll be in the minority after it.


18 posted on 06/02/2010 9:27:17 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I don’t think the previous Chairman, usmc general Peter Pace, fits your mold.


19 posted on 06/02/2010 9:28:07 AM PDT by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: jazusamo
Asked whether he had ever witnessed such public disagreement with the four-star officers who run the military, Mr. Horner answered, "No, I have not."

Closest thing to it would probably be the Admirals revolt over the future of Naval Aviation back in the 1940's. Then several admirals including the CNO resigned rather than implement Truman Administration changes. The four service heads are in the same position now. Either they implement the administration policies on gays in the military or they resign. They don't have any other option anymore.

20 posted on 06/02/2010 9:28:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: jazusamo

ADM Mullen is a moral coward.


21 posted on 06/02/2010 9:32:46 AM PDT by paddles
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To: jazusamo

ADM Mullen is a moral coward.


22 posted on 06/02/2010 9:33:10 AM PDT by paddles
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To: jazusamo

“...former four-star officer.”

Writer revealing his ignorance of the military. General Horner is retired, he still is a 4 star officer.


23 posted on 06/02/2010 9:35:34 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: kabar

I don’t see how this benefits the Dems in the November election. Whoever was going to support the Dems because of their stand on any gay oriented issue would most likely vote the Dems anyway, regardless of whether or not DADT is repealed or not. They were going to get their votes regardless.


24 posted on 06/02/2010 9:46:57 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: jazusamo
In an Oval Office showdown, Obama told Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. David Petraeus that he was "exceedingly unhappy" with the Pentagon's conduct, Alter reported, adding that its leaks to the press were "disrespectful of the process."

"This was a cold and bracing meeting," an attendee said of the encounter, where Obama demanded to know "here and now" if the Pentagon would be onboard with any presidential strategy.

It apparently worked: Petraeus later described himself as "chagrined," and both he and Gates "swore loyalty" to the President. Obama eventually supported a troop buildup.


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WTF! -- "he [Petraeus] and Gates "swore loyalty" to the President.

WTF! -- they can't do that! -- military officers swear to defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic -- military officers have no business swearing loyalty to a man -- this isn't NAZI Germany -- or is it?


25 posted on 06/02/2010 9:56:51 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: OldDeckHand

It was a sad day indeed when GEN Pace Left as Chairman. A super guy.


26 posted on 06/02/2010 11:07:35 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: roaddog727
'It was a sad day indeed when GEN Pace Left as Chairman. A super guy."

I couldn't agree more. It was a HUGE mistake not to renominate Pace. This, of course, can all be traced back to Gates, another HUGE mistake himself.

27 posted on 06/02/2010 11:13:25 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

“This, of course, can all be traced back to Gates, another HUGE mistake himself.”

Agreed.


28 posted on 06/02/2010 11:27:55 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: jazusamo
it doesn't speak well for a man of integrity.

Mullen wouldn't know integrity if it slapped him in the piehole.

29 posted on 06/02/2010 11:36:08 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Mullen wouldn't know integrity if it slapped him in the piehole.

Amen to that.

30 posted on 06/02/2010 11:48:09 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ops33
It will hurt them with veterans and people who don't support the gay agenda, which includes the religious right and others. Elections are about turnout. If you piss off people, they are more likely to vote than those who aren't. And for those on the fence, ramming this thru without waiting for the DOD report smacks of political opportunism.

And the Dems really don't care if they can get their agenda passed. Obamacare is going to hurt them at the polls, but they got what they wanted passed, which they have tried for decades. Repealing all of this is going to be difficult and lengthy. And many Reps don't have the stomach to do it.

31 posted on 06/02/2010 12:31:08 PM PDT by kabar
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