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12 dead in U.K. shooting rampage
MSNBC.com ^ | 06/02/2010 | Staff

Posted on 06/02/2010 9:37:13 AM PDT by OldDeckHand

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To: Deo volente

Wow... thanks for the link. Something must of set him off. Failed romance, becoming a grandpa? Brain malfunction?Hopelessness or-—? It’s a really sad state of affairs, but really...this shooting could have happened anywhere.


101 posted on 06/02/2010 1:10:56 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: Vanders9

Sorry ‘bout the acting out, its just that we know what comes next: Some politician is going to blame it on the “gun culture,” and Parliament is going to tighten the screws some more.


102 posted on 06/02/2010 1:15:48 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: UKrepublican
"Because in every US mass shooting the suspect is shot dead by the millions of armed Americans?"

Not at all. And, why is that? Because in the US, the great majority of these shooting take place in locations that have been legally designated "gun free zones" - schools, workplaces and an occasional hospital. In none of these places are permitted concealed carry owners allowed to take their firearms, so they don't. Of course, this leaves a target-rich but ENTIRELY defenseless environment for these psychopaths to operate.

What happens EVERY DAY in this country, but is rarely reported here, and it's never reported by your British press, is that people - law abiding gun owners - defend themselves, their property and their neighbors by using their own weapons.

Several months ago, there was a report that had made it all the way over here about a woman in London who brandished a kitchen knife at some hoodlums that were trying to rob her, or cause some kind of mischief on her own property. When the police arrived, it was she who was threatened by the constables for brandishing a weapon, even though it was plainly in self-defense. That's how ass-backwards the UK has become.

103 posted on 06/02/2010 1:16:01 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: UKrepublican
No. But concealed carry permit holders are generally better at putting these animals down than the police.
104 posted on 06/02/2010 1:17:08 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: OldDeckHand
Several months ago, there was a report that had made it all the way over here about a woman in London who brandished a kitchen knife at some hoodlums that were trying to rob her, or cause some kind of mischief on her own property. When the police arrived, it was she who was threatened by the constables for brandishing a weapon, even though it was plainly in self-defense. That's how ass-backwards the UK has become.

The young lady's name is Myleene Klass. From January of this year: Myleene Klass (UK Actress) warned by police after waving 'illegal' kitchen knife at intruders.

105 posted on 06/02/2010 1:24:07 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Loyal Sedition

Martin was jailed because he shot the burglars in the back as they ran away from the house, ergo the court decided it was excessive force.


106 posted on 06/02/2010 1:31:32 PM PDT by the scotsman
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Agree with Old Deck Hand that our British friends do not generally learn about how many forced entry/burglaries are stopped by homeowners. Many of these incidents occur in poorer areas against older residents who did not move out. Fortunately, many of these old cusses are former military and still know how to use a weapon. Very frequently, a trial is unnecessary.

Just today, there was a story about a woman preventing the rape of her teenage daughter by grabbing her handgun and holding the perp at bay. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2526128/posts

We’ll see if the Constitutionalists prevail. After all wasn’t it Sotomayor who speculated that perhaps people didn’t have a right to self-defense? Bugger that idea.


107 posted on 06/02/2010 1:31:54 PM PDT by FreeStateYank (I want my country and constitution back, now!)
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To: OldDeckHand

The British have never been a gun owning populace.


108 posted on 06/02/2010 1:32:33 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Vanders9
Or when you are not expecting it. For goodness sake guys, he jumped into a car, drove south and took potshots at people at random. Do you think any of your gun-toting compatriots would have stopped him quickly?

Our Gun-toting compatriots could have jumped in another fast car, then "floored" that baby until they were close enough to shoot out the moonbat's tires.

Much more effective than a Bobby Stick.

BTW, do yall have "the right to bear" a Bobby Stick? Is a "Conceal Bobby Stick Weapon License" required? If so would it also include pitchforks, and how do you separate the two.
109 posted on 06/02/2010 1:59:54 PM PDT by mstar
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To: heights
“You’re a loon. You might be the only person in the world who somehow sees a connection between a rampage killing spree in England and Paul McCartney and George Harrison. Paul McCartney should explain this? Get well soon...”

Perhaps my point is over your head?

McCartney's country is in a shambles with Muslims, debt etc. Yet, Paul will have the audacity to be critical of the U.S. when it was a BRITISH COMPANY, British Petroleum, that caused the OIL problem. McCartney is totally clueless. Paul has no reason to be self righteous. Paul McCartney is your typical IGNORANT, SLEF ABSORBED LIBERAL.

Paul McCartney on Obama: ‘Lay Off Him’
Fox News ^ | 6/2/10 | Fox Staff

(June 2) — Paul McCartney is a man known for his words, usually when they're set to music. But he chose some special ones at the Library of Congress to praise President Barack Obama, before whom he will soon be performing: Let him be.

“I have to say I'm a big fan, he's a great guy,” McCartney said at a Washington news conference Tuesday that was attended by politicians as well as journalists. “So lay off him, he's doing great.”

...

Perhaps as an example of his global concerns, McCartney called the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico “a disgrace.”

“I think most of us think it's a disgrace, and the fact that something like this can happen” is something that is “going to be addressed,” he said.


http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/paul-mccartney-on-barack-obama-lay-off-him/19500019 Oh Paul ... BP is a BRITISH COMPANY!

BP has NOTHING to do with MEXICO!

British Petroleum (BP) is a UK company.

BP plc[2] is a British global energy company which is the third largest energy company and the fourth largest company in the world. As a multinational oil company (”oil major”) BP is the UK’s largest corporation, with its headquarters in St James’s, City of Westminster, London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP

Here are some quotes from the typical liberal mindset that you'll probably relate to:

“We showed up a bit stoned, smiled a lot and hoped we’d get through it. We giggled a lot” - Paul McCartney

I used to think anyone doing anything weird was weird. Now I know that it is the people that call others weird that are weird.

Paul McCartney

Somebody said to me, ‘But the Beatles were anti-materialistic.’ That’s a huge myth. John and I literally used to sit down and say, ‘Now, let’s write a swimming pool.’

Paul McCartney

Where I come from, you don’t really talk about how much you’re earning. Those things are private. My dad never told my mum how much he was earning. I’m certainly not going to tell the world. I’m doing well.

Paul McCartney

Yes, I just LOVE LIBERAL HYPOCRISY and those that defend them. BTW, dear Paul also believes Obama is a "great guy". "I have to say I'm a big fan, he's a great guy," McCartney said at a Washington news conference Tuesday that was attended by politicians as well as journalists. "So lay off him, he's doing great." http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/paul-mccartney-on-barack-obama-lay-off-him/19500019 Yes, Paul and heights the blind hypocrisy appears to be contagious. It is Paul McCartney that is "disgusting" and the British Company, that is dragging it's feet in stopping the oil leak.

110 posted on 06/02/2010 2:31:14 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: chapin2500

I think youre dreaming.


111 posted on 06/02/2010 2:49:19 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Presumably so.
And thats not including those illegally held. And there will be quite a lot of those.


112 posted on 06/02/2010 2:50:53 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: OldDeckHand
Au contraire. The man was a crazie. He didnt CARE what environment he was in. He didnt CARE if he died. He did ultimately shoot himself after all.

Nobody expects a random shooter. Thats kind of the point.

113 posted on 06/02/2010 2:54:13 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: stuartcr

What? Are you replying to the right person? I didnt state that...


114 posted on 06/02/2010 2:54:54 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: M. Espinola

Its not good is it.


115 posted on 06/02/2010 2:56:06 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

“Nobody expects a random shooter”

Nor, I might add, the Spanish Inquisition!

;-)


116 posted on 06/02/2010 3:15:25 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: FreeStateYank; All
Look, I have been sidetracked onto this by some of the quotes on this thread. The point I started out to make was that this is a tragic event and I dont think people should make assinine pavlov dog type statements about gun control based on it. It really is just not the time. I can say that because the people who died are not just my countrymen, they are my neighbours. I live in county Cumbria.> I have been thinking about this now for some time and I get the feeling that a lot of the invective coming from the Americans present could be based on the gun-control lobby holding up England as an example of the virtues of what they propose. Is that right?

If so, then I think you are both wrong.

One of the arguments often put forward by those who advocate "the right to bear arms" (most people on this board basically) is that "guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns are just tools." That is 100% correct, but the argument cuts both ways. If that is true, it follows logically that the level of gun control in a particular locality matters very little compared to the relative willingness of people to pull triggers. Empirically you can see that as well. Britain has some of the most draconian gun-control laws in the world, and yet this is the third of these mass shootings in the past twenty years. Conversely, the US has much less gun control, and you have had even more of these events (although you are a larger and more populous country).

The obvious conclusion is that as far as crazies going on the rampage is concerned, the level of gun control doesn't matter very much. If it is high it doesn't encourage them, and if it is low it certainly does not deter them. It is simply invalid to use tragedies like this to promote the right of Americans to bear arms, especially when the event occured in another country with a different history and a different culture.

In the same way, that cultural and historical difference means that US gun-control lobbyists are also on shaky ground. There's no evidence that British style gun control laws would work exactly the same in America as they do in Britain. In fact I think I could guarantee that they wouldn't.

If you believe that Americans today have the right and indeed the duty to bear arms, that is a perfectly valid argument and a very defendable interpretation of the constitution. If you think that it is wrong for private citizens to own and use guns, that is also a valid argument, (but shakier when it comes to the constitution). Neither side has any need to look at what happens in the UK to make their arguments, and indeed it is a waste of time to do so, because the situation in the two countries is not the same.

My own personal viewpoint is that there will be now more calls to tighten the gun control laws in the UK. I think such controls will have zero impact on preventing tragedies like this and will instead do a lot of actual harm, including increasing the amount of violent crime. I intend to argue these points with my countrymen, but not just now. Everyone is emotional at the moment.

117 posted on 06/02/2010 3:36:06 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Oh dear. Guns are not illegal in the UK. How many times do British freepers have to say this?


118 posted on 06/02/2010 3:37:04 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Yes. Really it doesnt. Thats why it is so shocking.


119 posted on 06/02/2010 3:37:59 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: skr

37 victims. Twelve dead, but 25 injured. Five seriously, three are on the critical list.


120 posted on 06/02/2010 3:40:58 PM PDT by Vanders9
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