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US Army Charges Sniper For Lost Gear After He Was Shot
The Business Insider ^ | 6-3-2010 | Vince Veneziani

Posted on 06/03/2010 3:04:58 PM PDT by blam

US Army Charges Sniper For Lost Gear After He Was Shot

Vince Veneziani
Jun. 3, 2010, 5:17 PM

Image: Seattle Weekly

Sniper Gary Pfleider was wounded while in patrol in Iraq back in 2007. A sniper shot him through his left leg and he didn't think he was going to make it. Luckily, he pulled through and received a Purple Heart for his bravery in combat according to Seattle Weekly.

But that's not the only thing the Army awarded him with. They also gave him a bill for more than $3000 because of the gear he had to leave behind after being shot.

Seattle Weekly: Last June, the Army sent Pfleider a bill for more than $3,000. Technically, the clothes and weapons his unit had to leave behind after he got shot were the responsibility of his commanding officers.

Pfleider claims he got sworn statements from his bosses that he was no longer liable. The government says he may have misfiled them, or they may be lost. It's issuing a ruling on Friday to determine what Pfleider owes.

Luckily, strangers from all over the country have reached out to Pfleider, offering to pay his debts off. But Pfleider won't accept the money. He's busy waiting for a response back from the military on why he owes $3000 in the first place.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; military; sniper; war
It amazes me that the military would let a situation like this get to this point.

I wonder if Gary Francis Powers has completed paying off the U2 he lost?

1 posted on 06/03/2010 3:04:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

This is a disgrace - but understandable with the current Commander in Chief.


2 posted on 06/03/2010 3:08:10 PM PDT by BloodnGuts
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To: blam

The sad thing here...is that every single GI is carrying $3k minimum in gear on him...as he deploys. And it could be way more (laptops, radios, etc). Imagine a Normandy landing today...with 1,500 troops wounded...and hundreds of millions in gear assessed as “lost” and some jerk committed to taking the money back from the wounded guy recovering. The minute we had computers to track equipment...we created a trail that will punish guys. Something isn’t right about this.


3 posted on 06/03/2010 3:09:16 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: BloodnGuts

I’m sure Pres Bush was to blame. </sarchasm>


4 posted on 06/03/2010 3:09:47 PM PDT by I_Publius
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To: BloodnGuts

shaking head


5 posted on 06/03/2010 3:09:58 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (They told me I was gullible and I believed them.)
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To: blam

With the kenyan doing all he can to blow morale and the military doing this, I’m not sure how much longer we can depend on people to voluntarily sign up. Incentives are melting away.


6 posted on 06/03/2010 3:10:06 PM PDT by albie
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To: blam
Pfleider claims he got sworn statements from his bosses that he was no longer liable. The government says he may have misfiled them, or they may be lost. It's issuing a ruling on Friday to determine what Pfleider owes.

Tell me again why we should trust government bureaucrats to run our health care system.

7 posted on 06/03/2010 3:13:43 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: blam
why he owes $3000 in the first place

SOMEBODY has to pay for 0bamacare.

8 posted on 06/03/2010 3:15:49 PM PDT by reg45
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To: blam

I’ve never heard of this website. How accurate are they?


9 posted on 06/03/2010 3:17:56 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: blam

This does not surprise me. I was in the Army close to 40 years ago, and if you lost or damaged any of your issued equipment, you had to replace it or sign a document called a “statement of charges” where the cost was deducted from your pay. This could run from damaging the front door of your wall locker to flipping a jeep. Don’t remember this happening in combat situation, but I’m not surprised.


10 posted on 06/03/2010 3:24:49 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Jean S
"I’ve never heard of this website. How accurate are they?"

I've never had a question about them. They were quoting from the Seattle Weekly anyway. See here.

11 posted on 06/03/2010 3:25:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The reminds me of the old joke.

A private was out on field maneuvers when he stumbled across a deep chasm among the brush. Quickly reaching for a low hanging tree branch, he let go of his weapon and watched as it fell into the dark below. After he returns to his command, his Sergeant starts yelling at him for his misadventure and for his missing weapon.

“That was a $1500 rifle and you will pay for it out of your paycheck over the next 5 weeks!”

“Sergeant, if I were a tank commander, would I have to pay for a tank I lost in combat?”

“You better believe it private!”

“Sergeant, I thank you for explaining a long held mystery for me.”

“And what would that be private?”

“Sergeant, I now understand why the Captain goes down with his ship.”

12 posted on 06/03/2010 3:28:08 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: blam
This reminds me of the time when the DI charged the recruits for the munitions expended on the rifle range.
13 posted on 06/03/2010 3:30:14 PM PDT by An Old Man
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To: Lockbar

Unfortunately, this is typical Military/Government bureaucracy! They have little knowledge about anything except regulations. No actual human interference desired or expected.


14 posted on 06/03/2010 3:33:34 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: blam
I know your question is rhetorical but, for future use purposes, you probably need to know that Francis Gary Powers died in a helicopter crash in 1977.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Gary_Powers

The services each have procedures to collect and forward an evacuated person's belongings. Part of that process is recovering back into unit custody any government property that the person was issued. This recovery is supposed to be recorded in the person's service record. If an equipment item cannot be recovered and the loss can be honestly attributed to combat, the unit can certify it as a combat loss and write it off unit records. There are statements for the record that have to be submitted and it seems that these are what are missing in this case.

Unfortunately, it is now three years after the incident, the unit was a National Guard unit (knowledgeable people and records could be anywhere now), and he is out of the service. So some clerical genius, lacking the appropriate records, has decided the proper thing to do is dock his social security pay and federal income tax return.

What happened to the service advocates that were supposed to buffer wounded warriors from this kind of nonsense?

15 posted on 06/03/2010 3:37:33 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: blam

Ok, but this pretty much looks like one blog reposting a report from another blog.


16 posted on 06/03/2010 3:38:59 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Happy 59th birthday, Jean. (It’s okay.)


17 posted on 06/03/2010 4:01:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

After KVAL News received an e-mail from Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington that said Pfleider was not being billed for gear, but for another reason, KVAL News contacted Pfleider again to ask if he had ever received notification of this overpayment.

“I did not,” he said. “I was under the impression that (the gear) is what I was being charged for. And that was documentation and information that was given to me at hand from two seargents at my old unit because that’s information they were given.”

Pfleider told KVAL News a Defense Finance and Accounting Services spokesman told him they mailed three notices about overpayment to him, but he never received them. Based on the paperwork he had and conversations with soldiers in his former unit, he believed he was being docked for equipment.

Pfleider said he was not being overpaid and has paperwork to clear up the discrepancy.

KVAL News wanted to discuss Pfleider’s case with Defense Finance and Accounting Services, but a spokesman said Pfleider had to waive his privacy rights.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/95522579.html


18 posted on 06/03/2010 4:13:15 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: blam

I find this story suspect,,,, ya,,, on paper,, it could be true,,, one call from this guys congressman would make it all go away.


19 posted on 06/03/2010 4:18:50 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: 2aberro

From what I understand it already went away.


20 posted on 06/03/2010 4:27:24 PM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: blam

His correct name was Francis Gary Powers, he was known primarily by his middle name. Even so, your point is fabulous, and very funny.


21 posted on 06/03/2010 4:28:24 PM PDT by GOPANDCHRISTIANTOO
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To: 2aberro

That is the problem of course... Probably hundreds of similar events happen but only those that get media attention get resolved. Many do not get a Congressman/Senator’s involvement. Most just slip under the bureaucracy.


22 posted on 06/03/2010 4:30:25 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle
Many do not get a Congressman/Senator’s involvement. Most just slip under the bureaucracy.

There in lies the problem...... My congressman knows my name due the the vast amount of correspondence I send his way. I cuss him sometimes, praise him others... but I voted for him,,, he'd better listen!

23 posted on 06/03/2010 4:44:53 PM PDT by 2aberro
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To: BloodnGuts

“This is a disgrace - but understandable with the current Commander in Chief.”

And understandable with the current crop of “perfumed princes”...


24 posted on 06/03/2010 4:58:31 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: pepsionice

“Normandy landing today...with 1,500 troops wounded”

and 4000 dead in the first hour...


25 posted on 06/03/2010 4:59:30 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: blam

Well I certainly hope we get interest on the amount he owes /s


26 posted on 06/03/2010 5:47:13 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: blam

His company commander should have done his job by writing off the loss of the equipment as “combat related” before the CO departed Iraq.


27 posted on 06/03/2010 5:54:51 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Lockbar; blam

Lock, you are correct about the statement of charges. I nearly got to buy a $100,000 Xenon search light that broke off the mount on my M60A2 during gunnery at Grafenwoehr. We hit a washboard section of the tank trail and got all shook up, I went up nearly out of my commander’s hatch and then fell to the floor when my seat fliped up. I got a broken nose out of it. The two tanks in front of me, the CO and Plt Ldr didn’t get damage to the tanks but the CO ended up on the back deck with 2 or 3 broken ribs and the Plt Ldr only went as far as the bussle rack.

An examination showed that the mount portion of the search light broke, thus I (and my crew) were absolved of not properly mounting the searchlight and being charged for it.

During combat, the CO can write off equipment lost in combat. Apparently this CO either didn’t do it or the paperwork was lost. Knowing how the Army has NOT been keeping proper records during the last 9 years of combat, I’m no surprised at the latter.


28 posted on 06/03/2010 6:01:13 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: BloodnGuts
What about the Mayaguez and the Pueblo losses? Did the CO’s have to pay for the ships they lost?
29 posted on 06/03/2010 6:49:11 PM PDT by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance: Will Rogers)
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To: BloodnGuts

Looks like this type of thing is not a new practice.

Wounded Soldier Charged For Damaged Body Armor
UPDATED: 7:32 am CST February 8, 2006

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?71899-Wounded-Soldier-Charged-For-Damaged-Body-Armor


30 posted on 06/04/2010 12:49:03 AM PDT by Mila
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To: bigheadfred

(( ping ))


31 posted on 06/04/2010 12:55:12 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: GreyFriar

Yep. Either his CO or the S4 dropped the ball, but, either way, this was an easily avoidable situation.


32 posted on 06/04/2010 2:38:53 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Lancey Howard

They’ll start charging KIA’s families next.


33 posted on 06/04/2010 4:50:03 AM PDT by bigheadfred (I said free association. Not freely associate.)
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To: blam

I lost the coffee pot....

We had an old permanently wired 10 gallon cofee pot in our office. I took it to our ware house/boneyard when the office was remodled and enlarged. We received a ship load of cement and had to store it where ever we could find room including the warehouse. The coffee pot was taken to the Navy yard salvage yard

We had change of command. The coffee pot was on the property list but was missing.......

I spent two days combing through all the assorted junk till I found it. It wasn’t assigned to me but I was low on the totem pole and had to fond it.


34 posted on 06/04/2010 4:55:59 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: Mila

I guess he should have removed it before going into combat so it would not have been soiled with his American blood.


35 posted on 06/04/2010 5:19:20 AM PDT by BloodnGuts
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