Skip to comments.Critics Question Study Cited in Health Debate (FLAWED DATA USED TO JUSTIFLY OBAMACARE)
Posted on 06/04/2010 6:22:22 AM PDT by GailA
In selling the health care overhaul to Congress, the Obama administration cited a once obscure research group at Dartmouth College to claim that it could not only cut billions in wasteful health care spending but make people healthier by doing so.
Wasteful spending perhaps $700 billion a year does nothing to improve patient health but subjects you and me to tests and procedures that arent necessary and are potentially harmful, the presidents budget director, Peter Orszag, wrote in a blog post characteristic of the administrations argument.
Mr. Orszag even displayed maps produced by Dartmouth researchers that appeared to show where the waste in the system could be found. Beige meant hospitals and regions that offered good, efficient care; chocolate meant bad and inefficient.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Quite typical of Democrats/liberals.
And the NY Times printed this?
Maybe somebody in their staff got sick. Kicking and screaming, liberals are slowly being dragged to the realization their beloved Obama is a screwup.
Reminds me of someone I knew that once ate a bowl of soup with soda in it because they didn’t want to admit they meant to pour the sode in their glass, not their soup bowl. All the time they ate it they kept talking about how good it was but their face told different.
This is flagrant anti-chocolatism!
Science is like statistics: one can find a scientific study to validate anything. While science itself is sometimes corrupted, it is usually the use of a study that skews the scientific argument toward one side or another.
Years ago I used to practically shout at “America’s Most Trusted Man” Watler Cronkite when he would give his inane signoff “And that’s the way it is this . . . “. The reason I hated it was because the news broadcast was no more a reflection of reality than any other individual’s perception. The problem wasn’t that the news wasn’t objective. It can’t be objective; it’s always a matter of the perception by the reporter of the news. The problem was the news industry claimed to be objective when it clearly wasn’t.
We now need to learn this lesson about science. Science can be just as manipulated as the news and it is up to the public to treat science as a matter of Caveat Emptor like we treat advertisements.
obama giving direction to his subordinates: "Fire, aim, ready...."
Noooo??? Say honest??!!
Alinsky plus Cloward-Pivin. A true double header.
“And the NY Times printed this?...”
My thoughts exactly! Something must be going on; the rats are beginning to desert the ship.
What a horrible slap at Nagin's fine city...
A little parochialism.
Peter Orszag lies like a rug.
Yes, the global warming garbage is a good lesson on believing science.
I once had the head of the TN Parole Board tell me he could make the repeat offender rate what ever he needed to by controlling WHO he released. They know who will be coming back and how soon, they release them any way.
Another source of wisdom on the reliability of science is the deluge of “scientific” studies about health and nutrition. You can find studies that prove everything causes and cures cancer, everything causes and cures obesity, just to name two conditions.
This is flagrant anti-chocolatism!
Hell, I'd say it is outright racism! The chart makes the insinuation that people of color are bad and inefficient workers. Obama should be ashamed of using this racist data to push his agenda.
I also want to know If Paul McCartney is a communist as this
would be the only political status that would currently support Obama.
So what? Does it matter anymore? The RAT bastard socialist demoRATs along with the usurper-in-crap 0b0z0 already passed their deathcare bill. The likelihood of any of this being repealed, along with the ill fated Porkulus bill, or any of buruck 0b0z0’s other socialist agenda or programs is zero to zilch.
And they were using the supposition that cheaper care is better care????
It may not be that these people are so evil as they are utterly and hopelessly ignorant, the results of their actions being a terrible evil.
Conservatives were working under the impression that liberals could actually form and understand an argument. I'm not so sure about that now.
AMEN!! If I could say that louder, I would!!
Repeal or judicial over-rule on Constitutional grounds is our only hope. I still can't believe that legislation got rammed through, "law of the land".
Far as I'm concerned, in November I'll vote for anyone of any party who a) vows to work on rescinding ObamaCare, and b) has a snowball's chance of winning the election (alas, you have to be a judge or be in Congress before you can effect any changes on this)
I don’t believe they think in a logical fashion, they just spew dogma.
Cheaper is not always better. Just look at the cheap chinese crap on the market that they are charging an arm and a leg for just because it has some designer’s name on it. Looks like my first attempts at sewing, which I started doing at 12, and still doing 5 decades later only as quilting instead of garments.
So very true, depends on what company wants to prove what.
That crap drug Lyrica they are pushing for Fibromyalgia is a fine example. 50% can’t take the crap..I’m one of the 50%, and they sure didn’t tell me all the side effects, just a few of them. Good thing I research every new drug I’m given in advance.
Even the Washington Compost had a report on obamacare screwing Seniors before it was passed. They like to bury it in the Saturday edition, thinking most don’t read that edition.
This is only a surprise if you somehow believe that 0bamaCare was designed to actually solve a problem.
0bamaCare was designed to cause a problem, which of course will be remedied by more of the same until we are all equally broke and miserable.
Don't worry, it's just a fly.
Very sorry to hear that. Chronic pain is an exhausting ordeal.
True, they are like zombies at times and react emotionally without thinking first. Funny, humanity doesn't seem to be making any progress, just regressing to more barbaric times.
“The debate about the Dartmouth work is important because...”
Because anyone who believes, like the delusional academics in this administration, that ‘outcomes analysis’ like this study is hard science ready for prime time is laughably uniformed and/or naive.
They who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it as they saying goes.
There have always been sheeple, to lazy or stupid to think for themselves. Our Founding Fathers would be having a big hissy fit over what is going on now. I know they are rolling over in their graves. We have a republic only as long as we can hold on to it.
Stopping the importation of third world mentalities would help.
BINGO! With seniors and the disabled taking the brunt of the first wave.
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