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War clouds gather as nations demand a piece of the Nile
The Times ^ | 6/4/2010 | Tristan McConnell, Nairobi and Addis Ababa

Posted on 06/04/2010 2:52:34 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

The Nile supplies almost all of Egypt’s fresh water and three quarters of Sudan’s. Both countries claim historic rights over it but neither controls its sources. For thousands of years Egypt has jealously defended its right to use the Nile’s waters as it pleases.

Now, amid warnings of conflict and crop failure, the balance of power is starting to change as other countries make new claims on the water.

Last month most of the countries that occupy the Nile’s headwaters signed an agreement granting themselves greater control of the river and removing a colonial-era veto, held by Egypt for more than 50 years, over how it is used. Ethiopia, Kenya, Rwanda, Tanzania and Uganda have already signed up, disregarding a refusal by Egypt and its ally, Sudan, to co-operate. Burundi and the Democratic Republic of Congo are expected to follow.

Egypt has threatened legal action and said it will not sacrifice a drop of its historic entitlement. Yet a new Ethiopian hydroelectric dam, which opened last month, further emphasises Egypt’s diminishing control over the river that is its lifeblood.

The new World Bank-backed Nile Basin Initiative agreement was a decade in the making. It is intended to replace two existing Nile treaties that ignore the upstream countries.

In 1929 Britain, as the colonial power, signed a deal in the name of its colonies giving Egypt almost all of the Nile water and the veto power over its use upstream. In 1959 a revised treaty gave three quarters of the Nile waters to Egypt with Sudan taking the rest.

However, in recent years the countries to the south have grown more vocal in their demands for a greater share of the water and an end to Egypt’s veto, which includes stopping hydroelectric and irrigation projects that might disrupt the river’s flow

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: burundi; congo; egypt; ethiopia; kenya; nile; rwanda; sudan; tanzania; uganda; water

1 posted on 06/04/2010 2:52:34 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

The world has gone mad.


2 posted on 06/04/2010 2:54:02 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: bruinbirdman
Water rights have always been in the background of a lot of conflicts and in the forefront of some. This current disagreement could get very nasty.
3 posted on 06/04/2010 2:57:58 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: bruinbirdman

lovely places from which to be downstream


4 posted on 06/04/2010 2:59:31 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The real death threat is their legislation" Rush Limbaugh, 3/25/10)
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To: NonValueAdded

Perhaps Egypt should just annex the whole Nile basin ...


5 posted on 06/04/2010 3:01:12 PM PDT by dodger
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To: GoCards
The world has gone mad.

Time and time again.

6 posted on 06/04/2010 3:01:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: bruinbirdman

Another region of the world becomes a hotspot. Countdown to Obama going on vacation...


7 posted on 06/04/2010 3:02:42 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: GoCards

Same as it ever was.


8 posted on 06/04/2010 3:03:06 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: bruinbirdman

War breaking out all over the place.

See what happens when a peacenik gets elected?


9 posted on 06/04/2010 3:03:39 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Not peacenik (he’s not), but an INCOMPETENT gets elected. Specifically a foreign raised, muslim, closet bisexual socialist that hates America.


10 posted on 06/04/2010 3:07:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: GoCards
The world has gone mad.

Muslims will rip each others throats out over anything. Might as well be water.

11 posted on 06/04/2010 3:08:29 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: dodger

I had wondered as to the genesis of the Southern power axis that was to come against Israel as depicted in Daniel. There may be wars fought over water in that corner of Africa and the formation of a new power axis there is almost sure to occur. China is meddling in Africa, especially in the regions south of Egypt and they have need of the water for their various mining and oil projects.

Interesting....to watch!


12 posted on 06/04/2010 3:09:17 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

lol


13 posted on 06/04/2010 3:10:33 PM PDT by dila813
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To: bruinbirdman

Just dam.


14 posted on 06/04/2010 3:12:18 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Eastern Time: 5 am-4 pm coffee. 5 pm-10 pm beer. 10 pm-5 am sleep. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: dodger

Okay I read to the bottom of the article...Yup...China!


15 posted on 06/04/2010 3:13:19 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Nile: Africa’s toilet.


16 posted on 06/04/2010 3:22:15 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: bruinbirdman
Instead the practicing invading Israel in the Sinai, the Egyptian military should be looking south.
I also think this kills Mubarak's dream of diverting water to create a second river.
17 posted on 06/04/2010 3:31:13 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat; just a liberals who lies.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The movie, Chinatown, and the Klamath Falls controversy, and the battles over the usage of the water from the Rio Grande river. We’ve got water issues all over the place in this country too.


18 posted on 06/04/2010 3:31:53 PM PDT by flaglady47 (To bastardize Samuel Johnson, tyranny is the last refuge of scoundrels)
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To: bruinbirdman; Allegra; ASA Vet; SunkenCiv
Control the water, control everything......ask Saddam.

Gotta love that World Bank, just another Keynesian scheme with good intentions and disastrous results.
19 posted on 06/04/2010 3:33:37 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Army Air Corps

“Same as it ever was.”

Arrrgggghhh! Now I’ve got that video playin’ in my brain!


20 posted on 06/04/2010 3:34:09 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: dodger
Annexation of the entire watershed ~ that's the old solution. We need new solutions ~ it should be possible in the reasonably near-term future to simply bring the storm clouds in directly over the Great Western Desert and by-pass the "source" areas.

BTW, that would be the Chinese approach to things, and one of the big reasons why they are working so hard on getting control of the weather.

21 posted on 06/04/2010 3:38:16 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: bruinbirdman

I would guess Egypt will win this war.


22 posted on 06/04/2010 3:40:47 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: bruinbirdman; flaglady47; seenenuf; seekthetruth; Bushbacker1; Bob Ireland; Brytani; oswegodeee; ...
THE EGYPTIAN DOG AND THE MUZZIE CATZ

The Egyptian dog and the Muzzie Catz
Side-by-side on the river bank satz
The British lords and Clinton at State
Appeared to know as sure as fate
There was going to be a terrible spat
The only question was the date
One morning where the animals satz
They found no trace of dog or catz
But the truth about the kits and pup
Is this: THEY ATE EACH OTHER UP!

Let all the thirsty Muzzies attack each other with missiles and scimitars so they forget about Israel for a while.

Leni

23 posted on 06/04/2010 4:10:27 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore" - 10/20/09 "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: GoCards

The wonder of the world is that we all haven’t yet gone mad.


24 posted on 06/04/2010 4:17:11 PM PDT by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: bruinbirdman
1898. Captain Marchand of the L'Infanterie Coloniale arrives at Fashoda on the White Nile with the intent to claim it for France France will then construct a dam to control the Nile's water to Egypt and thereby control Egypt. Marchand is ensconced in a fort at Fashoda with 600 Senegalese riflemen, but he is confronted by Kitcherner's Army, victorious at Omdurman, The French accede to British control of the Nile.

Plus ca change. Plus ca meme chose.

25 posted on 06/04/2010 4:17:58 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (tials being lifted)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I just love these regional skirmish’s.


26 posted on 06/04/2010 4:21:49 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: DEADROCK

click click wink wink. Like it!!!!


27 posted on 06/04/2010 4:51:34 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: Army Air Corps
"Another region of the world becomes a hotspot."

Ethiopia, Sudan = ChiComs

yitbos

28 posted on 06/04/2010 5:50:07 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: flaglady47
"We’ve got water issues all over the place in this country too."

Current level of Lake Meade

yitbos, bbm in Boulder City, NV

29 posted on 06/04/2010 5:56:39 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

Indeed.


30 posted on 06/04/2010 5:56:47 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: BIGLOOK; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Some years back, Ethiopia was *rumored* to be employing Israeli engineers on some kind of dam or irrigation project, using Nile waters, and Sudan threatened war; Sudan also threatened to stop the entire flow of the Nile from reaching Egypt (Lake Nasser actually crosses the border of the two countries) if the so-called Peace Canal carried Nile water all the way to Israel, which had been proposed (by the Israelis — it was one of the reasons for giving the Sinai back to Egypt). Nile waters flow into a number of open-air canals in Egyptian territory, which isn’t too brainy.

The entire Middle East could be transformed using Israeli techniques of water management.

Not gonna happen.

There are similar struggles over water in other Muzzie countries, mostly pertaining to the flow of the Euphrates. Syria was almost to the point of rattling sabers due to allegations of Turks’ withholding of tributaries to the Euphrates, which is pretty crappy, considering Syria illegally withholds water from Jordan — one of the reasons Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994.

Thanks BIGLOOK.


31 posted on 06/04/2010 7:20:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
The entire Middle East could be transformed using Israeli techniques of water management.

I'm familiar with those techniques, even though they're not needed here. Very efficient as well as very inexpensive, something even dummies can afford and employ (but the tech is Israeli and invincibly ignored by despotic regimes in Africa and the Middle East.)
32 posted on 06/04/2010 7:52:02 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: MinuteGal
***attack each other with missiles and scimitars so they forget about Israel for a while***

I second the motion!

Leni, when I wrote that book on prophecy [of which you have a copy], many scratched their heads wondering why I mentioned MuHAMmed... traditional interpretation pointed towards Europe and Rome. Who are we looking at now? :-)

33 posted on 06/05/2010 7:00:05 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: bruinbirdman

California is certainly doomed.

A leftwing SCOTUS will certainly take the international Nile Precedent to allow Utah, Nevada and Arizona control over the rivers flowing into the Colorado and deny California any right what so ever to any of the water.

If it is precedent in Africa then certainly it must be followed in the Southwest.


34 posted on 06/05/2010 7:08:47 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: MinuteGal

bttt!

With thankz.


35 posted on 06/05/2010 8:47:34 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: BIGLOOK; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Note: this topic is from June 4. Thanks again, BIGLOOK.
36 posted on 11/28/2010 7:47:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Water?

Not a problem when you live in:

The Rainest City In The USA

37 posted on 11/28/2010 8:55:59 PM PST by blam
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To: MinuteGal

You do know that Ethiopia is Christian as are most Kenyans, right?


38 posted on 11/29/2010 12:47:27 AM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: blam

Well, the rainiest state title may be obvious, eh?


39 posted on 11/29/2010 6:21:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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