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USA Rebukes China For Suspending Military Ties
The Statesman ^ | June 5, 2010

Posted on 06/05/2010 6:28:45 AM PDT by Strategy

SINGAPORE, 5 JUNE: US defence secretary Mr Robert Gates today rebuked China for suspending military ties over US arms sales to Taiwan, saying Beijing's rationale made little sense.

"Chinese officials have broken off interactions between our militaries, citing US arms sales to Taiwan as the rationale," he said.

"This makes little sense," Mr Gates said, adding that interruptions in the military exchange with China would not change the US policy toward Taiwan.

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1 posted on 06/05/2010 6:28:45 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: Strategy

They are clearly sending us a signal. I wonder if this has to do with their huge build-up across from Taiwan or their recent invasion of an island claimed by Japan. (There’s oil under it.)

I think they’re waiting for some other hotspot to grap the press’ attention.


2 posted on 06/05/2010 6:31:24 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Strategy

” Mr Robert Gates today rebuked China for suspending military ties “

With about as much effect as a kitten mewling in its box...

Maybe even a little less....


3 posted on 06/05/2010 6:31:44 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Strategy

China recognizes a paper tiger when they see one.


4 posted on 06/05/2010 6:33:01 AM PDT by FourPeas (What do you call a peaceful Hamas protester? Deceased.)
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To: Strategy

Mommy! China won’t be my fwiend any more! Waaaaaaaaaa!!!


5 posted on 06/05/2010 6:40:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Strategy

There has to be some reason that Gates wants to still stand up for Taiwan, if only symbolically.

That said, I’m not sure what “joint military operations” with China would gain for America beyond P.R. When would China and America ever have a common enemy?


6 posted on 06/05/2010 6:41:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Strategy

Because we have a whiskey delta CINC and they’re pretty confident he’ll back down.


7 posted on 06/05/2010 6:48:21 AM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: FourPeas
China recognizes a paper tiger when they see one.

Agreed. Acutually, just paper is more accurate with this bunch in charge.

8 posted on 06/05/2010 6:50:58 AM PDT by b4its2late (Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When would China and America ever have a common enemy?

China and the US may not have a common enemy, but we have a common need: oil from the Gulf region. And in order to peacefully obtain all that we need (at a price we can afford), we may be called on by the powers-that-be in that region to denounce our only real ally there.

9 posted on 06/05/2010 6:51:32 AM PDT by craig_eddy (Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome)
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To: Gen.Blather

Things like that happen when you are no longer respected as a world power.

We may have the best jet fighters, tanks, etc., but none of that does much for you if you don’t have the money to mount a major military action, and we are very soon going to be in that position.


10 posted on 06/05/2010 6:53:03 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Strategy
Behind-the-scene negotiation not going well? China not even up to purely symbolic condemnation of N. Korea at U.N.?

I heard U.S. scaled down naval exercises with S. Korea in Yellow Sea. Now would USN proceed with the exercise of original scale?

Action speaks louder and they had better do it soon.

11 posted on 06/05/2010 6:54:53 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: old curmudgeon

” if you don’t have the money to mount a major military action, “

More importantly, and more on-point, if your leadership lacks the political will and/or courage to engage...

Ya can always find the money to fight for your life, if you have a strong enough ‘will to live’.....


12 posted on 06/05/2010 6:57:50 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: jagusafr

13 posted on 06/05/2010 6:58:08 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Strategy

Makes me wonder how this administration would have handled the captured pilots in China at the beginning of W’s 1st term.


14 posted on 06/05/2010 7:22:35 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: b4its2late; FourPeas

Paper Pussy, more likely.


15 posted on 06/05/2010 7:29:21 AM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: Strategy
"This makes little sense," Mr Gates said, adding that interruptions in the military exchange with China would not change the US policy toward Taiwan.

I assume that Mr. Gates isn't really that stupid.

He and the Kenyan Clown are working hard to destroy our military and our social fabric. Of course our adversaries are going to note this, and will accord far less respect to our country.

If this is too difficult for Mr. Gates to understand, I suggest that he open a few history books and look under such entries as "The Empire on which the Sun Never Sets."

A mere 100 years ago, Great Britain was the greatest empire that the world has seen — and today, it would have a difficult time in a rematch with mere Argentina.

The Kenyan Clown's goal is to see us also in such a sorry state, or worse if he can manage it. Mr. Gates is acting as the Kenyan Clown's agent in this destruction.

16 posted on 06/05/2010 7:37:42 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Strategy

Ping. Made me think of your site.


17 posted on 06/05/2010 7:43:16 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (Palin/West for 2012!)
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To: Strategy

The Russians are also threatening to cut us off over the sole PAC-3 battery in Poland and Georgia issues.


18 posted on 06/05/2010 8:10:47 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Strategy

Goodbye Free China.


19 posted on 06/05/2010 8:12:05 AM PDT by ILS21R
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When would China and America ever have a common enemy?

Muslim extremists. The Uigurs in SW China are a serious problem, with attacks on police, Government buildings, Buddhist temples, and the like.

Of course, we deal with them differently. Here we are careful to not call them terrorists, to not insult their religion by actually talking about the documented actions of its founder, allow them every freedom and protection we possibly can (even if they don't want it), and then hand out the lightest of all sentences possible.

China simply kills them and expels - or kills - their families.

In many ways I can understand China severing military ties; why would you want to partner with a paper tiger who'll hand-wring over a single slap to the face and prosecute its own for trying to protect themselves? Never, ever choose a coward as a fighting partner...

20 posted on 06/05/2010 8:21:47 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Strategy
"This makes little sense," Mr Gates said, adding that interruptions in the military exchange with China would not change the US policy toward Taiwan.

Now, Fatty Bottom will begin scrambling to fix things and make nice with the Red Chinese, and make some quiet agreements, undermining Taiwan. Then we'll al sit around and sing Kumbaya.

21 posted on 06/05/2010 8:30:15 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Mommy says, “Honey, China never was your friend.”


22 posted on 06/05/2010 8:30:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (J. D. Hayworth, the next Senator, the Great State of Arizona - Sen. Poopdeck, Panama is calling...)
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To: Strategy

Taiwan is toast, with the RAT bastard commie pig, 0bozo the marxist usurper-in-crap as our supposed president. Any action by Red China against Taiwan will be met be a strongly worded letter from 0bozo, and then nothing else. God I hate that commie bastard 0bozo!


23 posted on 06/05/2010 8:30:23 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Gen.Blather

One reason the Chinese are so worked up about Taiwan.

http://il.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/twwt/t159642.htm

Of course the above is in no way is correct.

http://www.examiner.com/x-34331-Taiwan-Policy-Examiner~y2010m4d7-Inside-Taiwans-Political-Purgatory-CIA-documents-tell-secret-story-of-betrayal—Part-6-of-20

Pretty good explanation.

Of course the last thing the Chineese want is the US to occupy our Island Aircraft Carrier a few miles off their Coast. LOL

W


24 posted on 06/05/2010 8:45:38 AM PDT by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When would China and America ever have a common enemy?

When Chinese communism collapses and Christiany displaces statism, and when the American Communist Federal Royalty is displaced, China and America will need to join forces against the common enemy of humanity:

Islam.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

25 posted on 06/05/2010 8:54:55 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: FourPeas

No kidding, truly a paper tiger...if China refuses to buy our “paper,” our government collapses financially.


26 posted on 06/05/2010 9:17:28 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Radical Muslims. That might actually be a binding tie.


27 posted on 06/05/2010 9:35:38 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Strategy

The Chinese (correctly) sense unprecedented weakness in the WH.

...and they’re far from alone.

Dangerous times.


28 posted on 06/05/2010 9:42:13 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: snowsislander

I don’t think that these two dolts understand, that if/when China becomes a major power, that the Chinese won’t have Gates or Obama in their council of power. It never works that way. People like Obama, Gates, and the celebrities that lick the boots of these people will end up on the bottom of the totem pole, as do all those who lack the intelligence to understand how the minds of the Chinese politburo works.

The Chinese government isn’t run by politicians like ours; they are ruthless gangsters who have China and China only on their minds as their priority. That’s how they are rising as a power player and that is how they are going to stay a power player. The Chinese, if they dominate the world, will reduce celebrity to the most worthless of coinage, spit in the face of political correctness, and the world will have to adapt to that, painfully if need be.

IF/when China becomes THE world power player, it will change the world’s values and likely, ironically, for the better in some respects. But adapting will be painful for Western culture that has allowed all the wrong types to dominate it.

When we talk about the outrage of China buying and manufacturing arms, China is simply doing what any sensible nation would do to provide for its defense or eventual military expansion. China is looking out for China and that is how the US needs to be run. Not the other way around. A major point of building it’s arms and military is to be able to successfully prevent and fight off attempts at colonization, which is why they reacted the way they did with Google. They will no longer be told what to do.

The US needs to get itself together or completely relinquish its position as an international superpower. Or it will be forcibly taken away. Now it’s the turn of the US to sink or swim. If Obama perhaps didn’t try to dictate to the Chinese how they will or will not run their lives and government, maybe the country would be more open minded and likely to work with the US on joint exercises.


29 posted on 06/05/2010 9:51:51 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Strategy

All they would have to do is to announce that they were suspending their purchase of our profligate and ever-expanding debt. We’d fold faster than a cheap suit.


30 posted on 06/05/2010 9:56:36 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Paine)
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To: jagusafr
tee hee.

Miltary Pilot's Slang

31 posted on 06/05/2010 11:26:27 AM PDT by 386wt
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Strategy

Dead on. Gates has become Obama and Hillary’s arm twister. The Chinese don’t want to talk about NK and that’s what Gates was up to. Gates wanted to share “smoking gun” intel on the Cheonan, that hasn’t been released, and the Chinese, by ducking Gates can claim that the evidence is incomplete.


32 posted on 06/05/2010 11:48:45 AM PDT by gandalftb (OK State: Go Cowboys)
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To: craig_eddy

I somehow don’t see us denouncing the Saud family any time soon. Especially when what would replace them in that country is far far worse.


33 posted on 06/05/2010 11:53:32 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Niuhuru

Just one problem with that scenario of China taking over.

China has as much internal division as we do if not more and unlike our country where these divisions go back at most a century or two in China you are talking about divisions and seperations that are up to a millennium old if not longer.

China is far more likely to break apart in a war against us then we are. That’s why they won’t try anything. That and we still have the nukes.

However, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to begin courting Russia more strongly because Russia and China have been enemies for a while now and Russia has no more interest in a world dominant China than we do.


34 posted on 06/05/2010 11:58:08 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
for suspending military ties over US arms sales to Taiwan
Thanks Strategy.
35 posted on 06/05/2010 1:52:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: rcrngroup

gibbs said as much:
“The US had over the years made clear that “we do not support independence for Taiwan”, Mr Gates said, adding that “Nothing,I repeat, nothing, has changed in that stance.”


I share your passion....


36 posted on 06/05/2010 1:59:08 PM PDT by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Not sure if your reply was sarcasm or not, but I was referring to Israel.


37 posted on 06/05/2010 3:20:41 PM PDT by craig_eddy (Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome)
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To: Strategy

Evidence they perceive Obama to be weak. They are angling for him to throw Taiwan under the bus, as he has so many others.


38 posted on 06/05/2010 4:08:07 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: Strategy
Translation:Red China isn't even a *little* bit afraid of our Community Organizer-In-Chief.
39 posted on 06/05/2010 4:25:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: old curmudgeon

Yep.


40 posted on 06/05/2010 4:52:28 PM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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To: 386wt

Heard British Petroleum is coming out with a new lubricant (light brown, cleans up well) called Whiskey Delta 44.


41 posted on 06/05/2010 9:05:37 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2010.)
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To: FourPeas

However the smart Chinese leader also knows that paper can cut if not properly handled. By the way that is an old Asian adage to counter overconfidence in dealing with “paper tigers”. US is not a paper tiger that can be dealt with lightly.


42 posted on 06/05/2010 9:23:13 PM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: Niuhuru

Very astute.


43 posted on 06/05/2010 11:30:30 PM PDT by baa39
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To: The Comedian
When would China and America ever have a common enemy?
When Chinese communism collapses and Christiany displaces statism, and when the American Communist Federal Royalty is displaced, China and America will need to join forces against the common enemy of humanity:
Islam.


I will gladly choose Szechuan beef over halal burgers anyday.
44 posted on 06/06/2010 12:48:33 AM PDT by mkjessup (I stand with Israel and the IDF ... and so should any freedom loving human being.)
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To: Uncle Ike

“Ya can always find the money to fight for your life, if you have a strong enough ‘will to live’.....”

I agree nations with a will to survive and the right leaders can find funding for a war. I the case of the USA in 2010, I question if we still have the industrial infrastructure to support a war with China. We defeated Germany and Japan in WWII because American manufacturing was converted to producing war materials. Today many industries have gone overseas and much of the manufacturing required to fight a war is now in China. We no longer have the textile and apparel factories to make clothing for our armies and our citizens. The big steel mills that produced metal for tanks and planes are gone. Many of our electronic weapons depend on chips made outside this country. Plastics, chemicals and other critical materials are now produced outside this country.

China very smartly embarked on a 30 year campaign to gut our industrial infrastructure. Today China could cut off exports to the US and we’d be on our knees within six months without China ever firing a shot.

We currently have the best armed forces money can buy. However, our military cannot sustain warfare with a major industrial power if there is no manufacturing infrastructure to support it. A service and information economy doesn’t produce the industrial goods needed to sustain lengthy military operations when sources of supply outside our borders are cut off.

Consider also the energy situation. In the 1940’s the US was a great industrial power and almost completely energy independent. We are even more energy dependent today than when we experienced the oil embargos of the 1970’s. Cut off supplies of foreign oil for a few months and our economy will crash. Certainly the Chinese know this. All they have to do is take out one or two supertankers at the beginning of a conflict and our foreign oil supplies end.

Finally, the Chinese people are used to living spartan lives with much hardship. Fighting a war with China would require the same kinds of sacrifices the civilian population accepted during WWII. How much sacrifice will the dependent class populating our inner cities be willing to accept? Will the 50% of the population that pays no taxes and lives off the other 50% sacrifice to save the nation or will it vote to submit?

The Chinese know all of this. We are a paper tiger if it ever comes to facing China in this century.


45 posted on 06/06/2010 4:41:53 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"That said, I'm not sure what "joint military operations" with China would gain for America beyond P.R. When would China and America ever have a common enemy?"

From what I can tell, we haven't fully transferred our military secretes, technologies, and fighting strategies - begun under Nixon and exploding under Clinton. Gates hasn't fully globalized our military (er ah - implemented "diversity").

46 posted on 06/06/2010 7:46:02 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: baa39

Thanks. I wish our stupid politicians would stop treating China like an automatic enemy and more like a potential ally. We need to stop taking our superpower status for granted.


47 posted on 06/06/2010 12:44:26 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Strategy

In the end, China will simply buy out Taiwan, they will gain controlling interests in their companies, and they won’t have to fire a shot.


48 posted on 06/06/2010 12:45:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Niuhuru

“We need to stop taking our superpower status for granted.”

Especially when we may not have it much longer.


49 posted on 06/06/2010 12:51:24 PM PDT by baa39
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To: baa39

China is determined to end up a power player, if not THE preeminent center of power and influence. They aren’t going to be politically correct and our country needs to stop licking the boots of the entertainment industry. They have the right priorities, with scientists at the top, then the soldier, then the businessman. They learned from putting the soldier at the bottom of the barrel and won’t let it happen again.

China doesn’t care about being ‘nice,’ they care about doing the right thing by their citizenry, which is to protect them and preserve the sovereignty of their nation and ensure that their manufacturing base is solid. Not about some deluded idea of there being no more nukes or no more guns. Of catering to the hysteria of a thirteen percent minority. I suppose that “Nothing But The Nation” is their motto in their dealings.


50 posted on 06/06/2010 1:55:06 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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