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Bill would allow California state colleges to consider race
The Associated Press ^ | June 3, 2010 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/07/2010 8:39:59 AM PDT by Gennie

Bill would allow state colleges to consider race



By The Associated Press

Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 4:16 p.m.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The California Assembly has approved a bill that would allow the state's public universities to consider race, gender and other demographic characteristics when they admit students.

The bill, AB2047, passed on a 44-24 vote Thursday and now moves to the Senate. It would apply to the University of California and California State University systems.

Democratic Assemblyman Ed Hernandez, who introduced the bill, says the legislation is needed to address the education gap in California. Currently, the state's black and Latino students trail whites and Asians in college attainment.

But opponents say the measure violates Proposition 209, a voter initiative that banned public institutions from considering race or gender in admissions or employment. They also say such ethnic classifications are outdated.
The Associated Press


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab2047; affirmativeaction; ca; california; carolliu; college; discrimination; lacanadaflintridge; lelandyee; liberalbigots; prop209; proposition209; quotas; racenorming; racism; racistgovernment; sanfrancisco; sca5; school; tedlieu; thedream; torrance
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1 posted on 06/07/2010 8:39:59 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: Gennie

We need the government OUT of the “education business.”


2 posted on 06/07/2010 8:40:34 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Destroy AMERICA.....Vote DEMOCRAT)
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To: Gennie

“The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law.” — Aristotle


3 posted on 06/07/2010 8:42:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: goodnesswins

We need the government OUT of the “education business.”


Yep. More money is wasted on “higher education” than even sub-prime mortgages.


4 posted on 06/07/2010 8:42:12 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: Gennie

Hate crimes and racism is all that is about!


5 posted on 06/07/2010 8:42:15 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Gennie

Did not the people of CA. vote that did you could not consider race when admitting students in the the state college systems.


6 posted on 06/07/2010 8:42:25 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Gennie

They already consider race. It’s called “Affirmative Action”, Quotas and other “level-the-playing-field” tactics.


7 posted on 06/07/2010 8:43:06 AM PDT by two23 (Everything About Them Is a Lie)
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To: Gennie

Progressives want to turn the clock back about a hundred years or so.

8 posted on 06/07/2010 8:43:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Gennie

Racists ALWAYS consider race.


9 posted on 06/07/2010 8:43:51 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Gennie

Here’s a novel idea. Just test the students. If the students pass the test, let them in the college. If they fail, send them back to school until they can pass the test. Race shouldn’t enter into it.

If California goes ahead with this, white students will go to other colleges and let the other institutions turn into ghettos.


10 posted on 06/07/2010 8:44:36 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Gennie

It’s needed to get people who are not prepared for college into college, get them racking up student debt in remedial courses, and let them wander aimlessly while they take “Introduction to post-testicular anthropomorphic androgynous women’s studies” or some such poo poo.


11 posted on 06/07/2010 8:45:10 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Uncle Hal

they can’t look at race, so now they look at the money a family makes.


12 posted on 06/07/2010 8:45:37 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Gennie

Are you just trolling with this?


13 posted on 06/07/2010 8:45:57 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Gennie

Are we going back in time?

Has something happened with the solar system?

Has the earth’s magnetic field gone squirrely?

I’m confused.


14 posted on 06/07/2010 8:46:05 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You're correct. This is a not-so-thinly veiled attempt to limit the fraction of high-performing Asian Americans in California's elite universities.
15 posted on 06/07/2010 8:47:31 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Gennie
Once again, the assembly is overturning the will of the people. California deserves what happens to them because they keep electing these SOBs to screw them at every turn.

To conservative Californians, I make this statement: The natural beauty of California is not worth the economic pain that the state government is inflicting on you. Get out while you still can, or accept servitude with the sun and surf.

16 posted on 06/07/2010 8:47:35 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Gennie
The California Assembly has approved a bill that would allow the state's public universities to consider race, gender and other demographic characteristics when they admit students.

I'm guessing that this would not allow a state-sponsored "White Male Only" University.

17 posted on 06/07/2010 8:47:35 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: Gennie
The California Assembly has approved a bill that would allow the state's public universities to consider race, gender and other demographic characteristics when they admit students.

Apparently they never heard Martin Luther King's "I have a dream..." speech.

18 posted on 06/07/2010 8:48:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Gennie
Democratic Assemblyman Ed Hernandez, who introduced the bill, says the legislation is needed to address the education gap in California. Currently, the state's black and Latino students trail whites and Asians in college attainment.

Let's put aside any opinions of racial preferences and look logically at this alleged rationale.

Currently, thousands of colleges and universities consider race in their admissions policies. Doing so has not closed the gap in degree attainment, and there is good evidence that it has made it worse. Mismatching students with schools is a recipe for causing them to drop out.

19 posted on 06/07/2010 8:51:07 AM PDT by freespirited (There are a lot of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats.--Ann Coulter)
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To: Mr. Mojo

It’s not just about race, note that they also consider “gender and other demographics”.

Academic bias exists. This instituionalizes it.

Blacklist the conservatives from education. There can be a litmus test for employing teachers and accepting students.

If you are “politically correct”, you belong in their world. If not, you are cast out.


20 posted on 06/07/2010 8:51:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Considering we already have an affirmative action POTUS, what could possibly be wrong with this?


21 posted on 06/07/2010 8:52:49 AM PDT by csmusaret (The Obamassiah calmed the angry seas by casting oil upon the water.)
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To: Gennie

Just put up a sign Whites not allowed! that is what this trash is about!


22 posted on 06/07/2010 8:53:17 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Gennie; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; genetic homophobe; FromLori; ...
RE :”The California Assembly has approved a bill that would allow the state's public universities to consider race, gender and other demographic characteristics when they admit students. The bill, AB2047, passed on a 44-24 vote Thursday and now moves to the Senate.

This is the world turned upside down. Rand Paul was crucified for saying that the federal government should NOT (theoretically) have the power to tell privately owned businesses who they must serve. This a constitutionally based argument that is not politically popular.

But here we have CA state government claiming the right to discriminate who they serve based on race using tax dollars. Upside down world.

23 posted on 06/07/2010 8:57:11 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Gennie

Just more Democrats trying to legislate racism into acceptance. Anytime you benefit one group, you deny another group...and when it’s done on the basis of race, no matter what group you favor, you are partaking in racism against another.


24 posted on 06/07/2010 8:58:04 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to leave in the hands of the government.)
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To: two23

“They already consider race. It’s called “Affirmative Action”, Quotas and other “level-the-playing-field” tactics.”

In California, propostion 209 prevents formal consideration of race, ethnicity, and sex. However, university administrators are very skilled at eluding the requirements. They have an elaborate scheme to achieve the same outcome although their schemes sometimes are not very precise.


25 posted on 06/07/2010 9:01:30 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: sickoflibs

I agree.


26 posted on 06/07/2010 9:03:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (J. D. Hayworth, the next Senator, the Great State of Arizona - Sen. Poopdeck, Panama is calling...)
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To: two23; Bokababe; bamahead
They already consider race. It’s called “Affirmative Action”, Quotas and other “level-the-playing-field” tactics.

And the irony here is that such practices discriminate heavily against a REAL minority, i.e., Americans of Asian heritage (e.g., Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, etc.) while even failing to recognize that multi-racial Americans are an even smaller minority.

But then I have to stop and realize that "minority" isn't used in the sense of what it actually means; it's just used as politically correct code for certain ethnic groups that the politicians in various state capitols and in Washington feel the need to pander to. Then I remember that the "progressives" really aren't about achieving equality under law unless you consider that some Americans are more equal than others (or in some cases, some foreign nationals are more equal than American citizens and lawful residents).

Either way, I have no particular desire to attend a California university for graduate work, knowing that they will openly discriminate against me in both admissions and tuition (the latter in favor of unlawfully present foreign nationals). Plus, why would I want to leave Virginia?

27 posted on 06/07/2010 9:12:24 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: businessprofessor
The leftists in Sacramento think they know better than the peons who sent them to the legislature. They are driven by a racist agenda instead of understanding the history of the stupid concept of "affirmative action". Let me briefly recount the experience of the U.C. system at the time I was attending from 1974 to 1976. The U.C. system reserved 5% of the admissions for "affirmative action" a.k.a. race-based admission. That group of affirmative action admissions dropped out at a rate of 85% before graduation. Most were gone in the first year. Less than 2% ever went on to post graduate education. To carve out this 5% "set aside", there were many well qualified students turned away. The result is that the university and taxpayer resources were wasted on unqualified student and qualified students were turned away. Stupid policy.
28 posted on 06/07/2010 9:12:36 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Gennie

By 2023 half of the children 18 and under in this country will be minorities as defined by the USG.


29 posted on 06/07/2010 9:17:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Gennie

Uh haven’t we just seen the bad effects of affirmative action education and job help in our incompetent President? Do we want more of the same or do we want people to rise and fall on their own rightfully earned achievements?


30 posted on 06/07/2010 9:18:07 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Prop 209 just slowed them down. You can’t stop these university rat ba$tards.


31 posted on 06/07/2010 9:19:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Myrddin

“To carve out this 5% “set aside”, there were many well qualified students turned away. The result is that the university and taxpayer resources were wasted on unqualified student and qualified students were turned away. Stupid policy.”

Your observation has been verified by a number of studies. However, the result of the studies has not had the impact that you or I would want. The result has been a vast expansion of funding for racial preferences. In Colorado, the Independence Institute estimated that the University of Colorado Boulder spends $20 million per year on diversity programs (basically racial preferences). This data was carefully hidden in a large number of budgets. Even in periods of difficult economic times, these budgets are immune from reductions. Instead of fixing the problem at its source (poor schools and weak family support for academic excellence), universities have erected huge bureaucracies to provide additional services for protected groups. These services segregate these students and promote grievances, making these students feel victims of society.

I could never be a university administrator due to my aversion for racial preferences and university policies. No one can become a university administrator without worshipping at the altar of racial preferences.


32 posted on 06/07/2010 9:22:04 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Gennie

Does this mean that when I review resumes I get to completely discount any college degree “earned” in a California school? If not done explicitly, it WILL be done as a matter of practice.


33 posted on 06/07/2010 9:22:16 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: freespirited
..............and the problem is not with college admissions. It is with substandard student performance and schools in the high school and elementary school level. If this idiot wanted to do something about the education gap he would start there. When hispanics perform better in the lower grades, the college admissions will come.

Also, if we regress back to affirmative action in Cal, Asians will have fewer adnmissions to the UC sustem since they are over represented.

34 posted on 06/07/2010 9:23:58 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: rabscuttle385
But then I have to stop and realize that "minority" isn't used in the sense of what it actually means; it's just used as politically correct code for certain ethnic groups that the politicians in various state capitols and in Washington feel the need to pander to.

Actually, it goes far beyond "politically correct code." The definitions have real world consequences in terms of admission to college, minority business set asides, etc.

From the Virginia Department of Minority Business Enterprise:

What is the definition of Minority Individual?

"Minority individual" means an individual who is a citizen of the United States or a non-citizen who is in full compliance with United States immigration law and who satisfies one or more of the following definitions:

1. "African American" means a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Africa and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

2. "Asian American" means a person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian subcontinent, or the Pacific Islands, including but not limited to Japan, China, Vietnam, Samoa, Laos, Cambodia, Taiwan, Northern Mariana, the Philippines, a U.S. territory of the Pacific, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, or Sri Lanka and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

3. "Hispanic American" means a person having origins in any of the Spanish-speaking peoples of Mexico, South or Central America, or the Caribbean Islands or other Spanish or Portuguese cultures and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

4. "Native American" means a person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part or who is recognized by a tribal organization.

35 posted on 06/07/2010 9:24:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Gennie

It’s not “Jim Crow”, it’s “Affirmative Action”. :)


36 posted on 06/07/2010 9:30:56 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Gennie

The Third World takeover continues. American whites will be discriminated against and probably insulted by the academics. The Third Worlders cannot compete intellectually hence they “rule out” the whites. Mark your papers with the little happy face and keep smiling.


37 posted on 06/07/2010 9:31:52 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Gennie

Yeah, ‘cause California colleges aren’t diverse enough. Professors notwithstanding, there’s a shortage of idiots. They better do something quick to improve the idiot-to-scholar ratio...in favor of the idiots!


38 posted on 06/07/2010 9:33:44 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Is Sarah Palin REALLY a conservative or just another Republican?)
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To: Gennie
"But opponents say the measure violates Proposition 209"

Once again government operates in opposition to the will of the people.

39 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:02 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: businessprofessor
I could never be a university administrator due to my aversion for racial preferences and university policies. No one can become a university administrator without worshipping at the altar of racial preferences.

I taught a microprocessor class for 3 1/2 years at Southwestern College (1980-1983). I had considered doing that again after "retiring" from my 60 to 70 hour a week work as a software/hardware engineer. It is certain a "slower pace" compared to the commercial world. Returning to a world that worships leftist principles gives me pause to consider a different direction.

40 posted on 06/07/2010 9:51:12 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Gennie
Democratic Assemblyman Ed Hernandez, who introduced the bill, says the legislation is needed to address the education gap in California. Currently, the state's black and Latino students trail whites and Asians in college attainment.

If the legislators really want to "address the education gap," they would encourage underperforming students to study harder.

41 posted on 06/07/2010 9:53:46 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: boycott
Yep. More money is wasted on “higher education” than even sub-prime mortgages.
Many of us have thought of this. Yesterday Glenn Reynolds looked more in depth at the higher education bubble. I haven't checked to see if it's posted on FR, but in any case, here's the link.
42 posted on 06/07/2010 9:56:07 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus CONSERVATIVE is a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: kabar

Hey wait, I live in LA.... I am white and latin makes up 51% now so do I get into UCLA with my “C” average and tons of state $$$?

Here we have another latino elected politician acting in service of his race. Just like all these cities writing Arizona boycotts led by local Latino council people.

This is becoming a RAPID takeover of America.


43 posted on 06/07/2010 9:56:25 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: sickoflibs
The article even notes that CA voters banned such distinctions when they passed proposition 209 overwhelmingly. The elitist do not honor the constitution when it gets in their way.

Welcome to the California Constitutional Star Chamber Republic.

44 posted on 06/07/2010 10:02:06 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus CONSERVATIVE is a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: Gennie

Great law from the non americans in CA gov’t. Now I would have to pay taxes to support schools that my kids would not be allowed to attend.


45 posted on 06/07/2010 10:03:59 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Gennie
The California Assembly has approved a bill that would allow the state's public universities to consider race, gender and other demographic characteristics when they admit students.

Only a racist bigot would support this new law. If it would be wrong to permit state universities to require black and Hispanic applicants to meet higher admission standards than white and Asian students, then it is precisely as wrong to permit racism in the other direction. As I said, only a liberal would support this new law.

46 posted on 06/07/2010 10:18:15 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: caver

“Trolling” by posting an article that I did not see linked on here and thought would be interesting discussion??? Explain please...


47 posted on 06/07/2010 11:11:12 AM PDT by Gennie
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To: stephenjohnbanker

This ‘bill’ can’t remain the law of the land anyway, if the SCOTUS ultimately rules on it. What it does is buy the Left another decade of racism.


48 posted on 06/07/2010 11:20:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (J. D. Hayworth, the next Senator, the Great State of Arizona - Sen. Poopdeck, Panama is calling...)
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To: DoughtyOne

“What it does is buy the Left another decade of racism.”

And cheat thousands of qualified students out of a reasonably low cost education.


49 posted on 06/07/2010 12:43:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Gennie
Currently, the state's black and Latino students trail whites and Asians in college attainment.

Let me see, what to do ... lower the college admission bar OR improve the the local schools that put out the under-performing students? This might be a real decision if it were not for the entrenched interest groups like bureaucrats, unions, 'civil rights advocates' and (maybe) 'community organizers' who have a vested interest in maintaining an underclass!

Since realpolitik over-rules logic and reason, watch the "Golden State Goose" continue to be butchered for short term political

50 posted on 06/07/2010 1:05:32 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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