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Study: Wind Farms = Bird Killers
dailytech.com ^

Posted on 06/07/2010 9:23:14 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Study: Wind Farms = Bird Killers Tiffany Kaiser - June 7, 2010 11:51 AM

A recent study in Klickitat County, Washington shows that active wind farms in Washington and Oregon kill more than 6,500 birds and 3,000 bats annually.

Biologist Orah Zamora works for West, Inc., an ecological field study company, monitors the Windy Flats project, one of the largest wind farms in the United States. Zamora looks for dead birds and bats that have been severed by the spinning blades of the surrounding wind turbines in order to conduct survey's to observe how wind-power development is affecting birds.

"It's like a crime scene, and you try to figure out what happened," said Zamora. "Sometimes it's really obvious because you can see a slice mark."

These surveys are financed by the wind industry and are mainly concerned with birds like eagles, hawks, and other raptors. Klickitat County is especially a concern because the area has an abundance of prey for these larger birds, hence, they tend to stay in the area. According to the study, these birds are diving for their prey and do not pay attention to the large wind turbine blades that may be in the way.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birds; capandtrade; energy; envirofascism; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; wind; windmills; windpower; windturbines
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But, but, but it's GREEN!
1 posted on 06/07/2010 9:23:14 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

In michigan they’re coal killers.


2 posted on 06/07/2010 9:24:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Sub-Driver

Migratory Bird Blenders. Now we will have to spend some stimulation money to study the blindingly obvious.


3 posted on 06/07/2010 9:25:27 AM PDT by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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To: Sub-Driver

what do they call wind farms? open air cuisinarts?


4 posted on 06/07/2010 9:25:38 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Sub-Driver

In Martha’s Vineyard they are Bikini Blockers!


5 posted on 06/07/2010 9:26:35 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well its not like the birds are covered in oil or anything bad like that. Its a quick green death so it shouldn’t bother the children, right? Oh yeah, is more expensive than burning coal, gas, oil or nuclear fusion, but its green. See how our world works?


6 posted on 06/07/2010 9:26:47 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Sub-Driver

Betcha that many of these bird lovers are pro-abortion.


7 posted on 06/07/2010 9:27:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sub-Driver

Don’t believe everything you read, especially when it’s not put in context. Here are a few facts for comparison:

Utility transmission and distribution lines, the backbone of our electrical power system, are responsible for 130 to 174 million bird deaths a year in the U.S.1 Many of the affected birds are those with large wingspans, including raptors and waterfowl. While attempting to land on power lines and poles, birds are sometimes electrocuted when their wings span between two hot wires. Many other birds are killed as their flight paths intersect the power lines strung between poles and towers. One report states that: “for some types of birds, power line collisions appear to be a significant source of mortality.”2

Collisions with automobiles and trucks result in the deaths of between 60 and 80 million birds annually in the U.S.3 As more vehicles share the roadway, and our automotive society becomes more pervasive, these numbers will only increase. Our dependence on oil has taken its toll on birds too. Even the relatively high incidence of bird kills at Altamont Pass (about 92 per year) pales in comparison to the number of birds killed from the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska. In fact, according to author Paul Gipe, the Altamont Pass wind farm would have to operate for 500 to 1000 years to “achieve” the same mortality level as the Exxon Valdez event in 1989.

Tall building and residential house windows also claim their share of birds. Some of the five million tall buildings in U.S. cities have been documented as being a chronic mortality problem for migrating birds. There are more than 100 million houses in the U.S. House windows are more of a problem for birds in rural areas than in cities or towns. While there are no required ongoing studies of bird mortality due to buildings or house windows, the best estimates put the toll due collisions with these structures at between 100 million and a staggering 1 billion deaths annually.

I can’t stand Obama any more than the rest of us, but wind energy is good.


8 posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:25 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Sub-Driver

I have seen other studies which say they are not a danger to birds. Of course, jetliners are a danger to birds also.


9 posted on 06/07/2010 9:30:42 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Sub-Driver

Maybe it only kills GREEN birds!


10 posted on 06/07/2010 9:30:53 AM PDT by gulfcoast6 (God Is!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
"mainly concerned with birds like eagles, hawks, and other raptors. "

Yummy...low cholesterol meat...

11 posted on 06/07/2010 9:31:32 AM PDT by spokeshave (From The One to zero in just 16 months – the myth has ended.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
h yeah, is more expensive than burning coal, gas, oil or nuclear fusion,

What's the current cost per kWh of electricity derived from nuclear fusion? Please limit your response to power plants located on planet Earth.

12 posted on 06/07/2010 9:31:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sub-Driver
My concern is about the side affects like "Global Slowing"!

If it takes a fast strong wind to turn the windmill blades and a slow weak wind comes out the other side.
Wouldn't that cause the Earth's rotation to slow down?
< giggle-snort-fart >
Trying to keep a straight face here. ;)

13 posted on 06/07/2010 9:32:07 AM PDT by BigSkyDream
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To: bigbob
Why is wind energy good?

To me, it's unsightly, and even worse, it's a pipe dream that isn't effective at all. Until someone figures how the electricity can be stored, it's expensive, erratic, takes way too much maintenance, and worst of all requires back up the equivalent of what the turbines can generate when there's no wind, therefore saves nothing

14 posted on 06/07/2010 9:34:29 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: bigbob
"but wind energy is good."

Only if you are at a place where the wind blows regularly. At my house, solar panels would easily win the race, though they'd have to be actively moved to avoid the shadows of the trees.

15 posted on 06/07/2010 9:34:35 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sub-Driver

So.....we get green energy AND less bird *hit on my car? Sounds great.


16 posted on 06/07/2010 9:35:11 AM PDT by Grunthor
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To: BigSkyDream
"Wouldn't that cause the Earth's rotation to slow down? "

Only if your island capsizes.

17 posted on 06/07/2010 9:35:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sub-Driver

How much money was spent on documenting the bleedin’ obvious?


18 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The real death threat is their legislation" Rush Limbaugh, 3/25/10)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Theoretically it’s so cheap, it will not need to be metered.


19 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:47 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sub-Driver

Wind Farms result in smarter birds....if you believe in evolution.


20 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:47 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: bigbob
I can’t stand Obama any more than the rest of us, but wind energy is good.

Actually its a freakin joke that's criminal to force on the people.
21 posted on 06/07/2010 9:36:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: bigbob

Nice retort. I once killed an owl with a U-Haul while he was diving for his next meal. Flew right in front of me and I clipped him.


22 posted on 06/07/2010 9:37:45 AM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: Paladin2
Theoretically it’s so cheap, it will not need to be metered.

Yeah ...

Meantime, please direct me to the nearest nuclear fusion powerplant.

23 posted on 06/07/2010 9:40:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s important because the enviro-wackos ALWAYS have said that to kill non-game (ALL critters really, including game birds and animals) is “immoral”, thus they hold up the oil soaked birds in self-righteous indignation for all to see.

I’ve been accessing studies on this very thing (at least studies before they were hidden and certainly not talked about) for years trying to whack the enviro-wackos with their own ammunition, but windpower is PC donchaknow so it’s untouchable.

Hey, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. NO QUARTER!! (and pun intended)


24 posted on 06/07/2010 9:40:36 AM PDT by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: Paladin2

“Theoretically it’s so cheap, it will not need to be metered.”

That is in part the problem. Lots of solutions on the micro level that don’t get attention because, as I understand it, nobody has figured out how to put a meter on it. Just google off grid solutions for individual homes. At the macro level (ie providing a city or even a significant part of one), while I like the idea of wind and solar, there is just no way I can see it ever being viable.


25 posted on 06/07/2010 9:42:36 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
What's the current cost per kWh of electricity derived from nuclear fusion? Please limit your response to power plants located on planet Earth.

To my knowledge, we have not succeeded in ever harnessing fusion to produce electricity... Bombs yes, reactors, no.

26 posted on 06/07/2010 9:42:57 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: Paladin2

Here in Michigan, the legislature is forcing electric and gas producers to cut production. Then they’re refusing permits to clean coal plants citing the lack of demand that they’ve forced. Then they’re approving wind farms despite the lack of demand that prevents clean coal. Top it off with already doubled prices, taxpayer subsidies for the wind farms that they predict will produce at the low end of the scale.

Yee haw


27 posted on 06/07/2010 9:43:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: doc11355

Indeed. Notice that I insist the powerplant be located on Earth ...


28 posted on 06/07/2010 9:44:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: doc11355
BTW, one could pedantically argue that solar and wind power are fusion power ... with an astonishingly inefficient transfer mechanism.
29 posted on 06/07/2010 9:46:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sacajaweau

high correlation


30 posted on 06/07/2010 9:46:43 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: bigbob
I can’t stand Obama any more than the rest of us, but wind energy is good.

Your bird death statistics are pretty incredible - it would be nice to see some links to back them up.

Even still, there is a serious issue about initial energy requirements in manufacturing and setup of windfarms - it takes them years to make up these costs. And then maintenance is a big problem - they have a lot of downtime.

In addition, they create a humming sound that is driving entire nearby towns crazy by preventing sleep.

31 posted on 06/07/2010 9:51:34 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
BTW, one could pedantically argue that solar and wind power are fusion power ... with an astonishingly inefficient transfer mechanism.

LOL - great point!

32 posted on 06/07/2010 9:52:15 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Sub-Driver

And how many little red male Cardinals have beat themselves to death trying to kill their reflection in patio doors?

Sliding glass doors should be banned.


33 posted on 06/07/2010 9:53:23 AM PDT by lurk
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To: DonaldC
"while I like the idea of wind and solar, there is just no way I can see it ever being viable."

I like it conceptually as a backup system (with batteries and hooking up a few car alternators as needed) and as a freedom from Gov't intervention (thermostat set points, kWh/mo limits, etc.) device/system.

34 posted on 06/07/2010 9:57:12 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: gulfcoast6

Actually the loss of so many insect eating bats concerns me more.


35 posted on 06/07/2010 9:57:50 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Don’t windmills kill insects too?


36 posted on 06/07/2010 9:59:20 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: equalitybeforethelaw; Sub-Driver
The OWNERS of most of our WV windmills are from Chicago, and none (that I have noticed) of the workers are from WV. Imagine that... and they are crowding the hills near the coal power plants and mines!


37 posted on 06/07/2010 9:59:20 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( Ridicule is the best test of truth. - Philip Dormer Shanhope, Lord Chesterfield)
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To: ArrogantBustard

What’s the current cost per kWh of electricity derived from nuclear fusion? Please limit your response to power plants located on planet Earth.

Are you suggesting a windmill is more cost effective than a nuclear power plant. These stats I would like to see. Somehow the Government does not see fit to subsidize Nuclear energy, while the do subsidize “green” power.


38 posted on 06/07/2010 10:02:38 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Are you suggesting

I am suggesting nothing at all.

I asked a question.

I note that you failed to answer the question, preferring (apparently) to go off on an irrelevant rant.

The question is:

What’s the current cost per kWh of electricity derived from nuclear fusion? Please limit your response to power plants located on planet Earth.

39 posted on 06/07/2010 10:06:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DonaldC
I caught something on TV the other day (maybe from Robert Bryce, author of “Power Hungry: The Myths of ‘Green’ Energy”.) He said something to the effect that to produce the same amount of power from wind turbines as that from one nuclear power plant in Texas, it would take an area the size of Rhode Island. To produce the same amount of energy with ethanol, another “green” fuel, it would take 24 Rhode Islands to grow enough corn.

He called it ‘energy sprawl’.

40 posted on 06/07/2010 10:06:57 AM PDT by JustSurrounded (Our predatory government is now fully engaged in disaster profiteering.)
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To: bigbob

A useful compilation of statistics that helps us all understand why the term “bird brain” is so appropriate.

Wind power, of course, won’t obviate the need for transmission lines, so any bird mortality associated with wind farms themselves would be in addition to the mortality related to getting the electricity they generate to the places that need it.

In my mind, these statistics reinforce the merits of relying on mini-nuclear power plants of a size that can power 20,000 homes. Such a decentralized power source would obviate the need for the thousands of miles of power transmission lines that apparently cause birds so many problems; it would eliminate the problems caused by widespread power outages; and it would be infinitely more secure against terrorist attacks on the power grid. Since such plants would be buried underground, their aesthetic advantages over massive wind farms also should be pretty obvious.


41 posted on 06/07/2010 10:09:22 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC; bigbob
I like birds!


42 posted on 06/07/2010 10:16:31 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( Ridicule is the best test of truth. - Philip Dormer Shanhope, Lord Chesterfield)
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To: Sub-Driver

I used to have a cat that would leave a dead bird at the front door about once a week in the warm months of the year .... maybe fifteen a year. If there are ten million cats like mine in the country, they would account for about 150 million dead birds annually. It must really suck to be a bird.


43 posted on 06/07/2010 10:17:16 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Dear ArrogantBastard, you are well named. Now bite me.


44 posted on 06/07/2010 10:22:15 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Ummm ... Please direct me to the nearest nuclear FUSION power plant.
45 posted on 06/07/2010 10:24:41 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: bigbob

Geez...I don’t pay any more attention to the Chicken Little Cartel than I pay to the “employment” figures, since each only provide information the WANT us to read.

If we find a way to provide energy, we must also be aware of the side-effects. Kinda like eating chili and drinking beer in a room full of ladies.


46 posted on 06/07/2010 10:38:26 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for my army hero grandson, and for the intrepid CG explorer!)
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To: bigbob

Fifteen years ago residents in the Altamont Pass area and near Mojave in the Techachi Pass, California were claiming that they found the remains of hundreds of raptors killed by the wind farms built there. Today, in both places, there are no reports of raptor sightings. Wind farms are a joke, pushed by rednecks like Boone Pickens.


47 posted on 06/07/2010 10:41:26 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: bigbob; All
Several years ago, I was working on a Critical Infrastructure security project, and was inspecting 500KV distribution stations for a major "southern" utility provider.

Their Security guys were pretty much like us - cynical, sardonic ex-military/cops.

After work one evening, they told us about a high-tension line (I think it was 500kv) tower that kept shorting out and essentially blowing all of the wire and insulators all over the place, causing major disruptions, and costing a ton of money to fix. It was located in the middle of a swamp, and completely unapproachable by land, so they had to perform all of the maintenance and repairs from helicopters. High dollar and high risk.

After the third such "blowout", they decided to install surveillance cameras and figure out the cause. Sure enough, Boom! out it went. When they checked the cameras they found that large Egrets (~40" wingspan, ~15-25 lbs) that were proliferant in that area would spend the day catching and eating fish, and then fly up to sun themselves on the top of the tower.

After some research and consultation with wildlife biologists, it was determined that the birds normal digestive process involved sitting in the sun, then "expelling" their daily digested "load" upon take-off from their sunning roost. They could only defecate upon take off. It wasn't their wings arcing across the lines, but long plumes of wet (and highly conductive) bird s&*t, crossing lines and causing major outages and hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage. Also essentially vaporizing the stupid birds, and dropping what little evidence there may have been to the swamp to be consumed by the creepy crawlys waiting below.

By building their tower in the middle of the natural habitat for that particular bird they had created an ideal, but terminal roost.

They installed wire spikes and rotating balls to prevent the birds from landing on the tower and forced them back into the trees where they belong. Worked like a charm.

I'm curious though. Why is wind power "good"? It's incredibly inefficient (2-15%), is difficult to transmit for any appreciable distance, is reliant on too many uncontrollable factors (weather, climate, location, political will, etc.) and is plain ugly to look at.

48 posted on 06/07/2010 10:52:32 AM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: Sub-Driver

I like to call them bird salad shooters.


49 posted on 06/07/2010 11:17:31 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Paladin2
"Theoretically it’s so cheap, it will not need to be metered."

What is not cheap is the amount of interest accruing on the original capital investment. The banks that finance the venture do not stop charging interest on the loan when the wind doesn't blow.

But we never hear that from the "Big Wind" lobbyists.

50 posted on 06/07/2010 11:28:33 AM PDT by BigSkyDream
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