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Conn. probing GOP US Senate candidate's petitions (I CAUGHT THEM BREAKING THE LAW!!!)
Hartford Courant ^ | June 7, 2010 | Hartford Courant

Posted on 06/07/2010 3:01:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon

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To: GlockThe Vote; RaceBannon

thanks for showing up and getting testy with those more wisened than your shallow as a dry creek intellect.

You use your testyness to make friends much?

How’s it working, nOOb?

Lighten up Francis and say something of substantive opposition, that has value that can be weighed.

Or just sit it out, lest we discover you are drunk or on heavy medication.


201 posted on 06/07/2010 10:17:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: RaceBannon
Dear James,

Thank you for standing up for what is right, even when it's not an easy thing to do.

202 posted on 06/07/2010 10:45:08 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (-)
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To: MadIsh32; All

True Liberty is not license. Those who think as you, sir, pervert liberty, and destroy the fundamental principles that allow a culture to thrive economically. This is the error of libertarian philosophy.

What libertarianism proposes is moral relativism under the pretense of “non-interference.” However, in the final measure, the result is that guaranteed outcome of any morally ambiguous system, which denies human nature and the transcendent truths that govern all cause and effect relationships. In practice the imagined utopia of the libertarian is identical in its altruistic deception to that of atheistic communism; and the outcome is predictable: the destruction of the individual and the corporate body of humanity we call society.

Libertarians think they may advance the cause of “social liberalism” simultaneously with “fiscal conservatism;” but this duality of purpose is folly, and works diametrically and insidiously against itself. The social plagues induced by such novel philosophies invariably drain the public treasury, render the distinctions of absolute right and wrong to ambiguity, destroy public confidence in justice, and dissolve private wealth.

Human society does not and cannot exist in a moral vacuum. A society that having no absolute standards of conduct defers all decisions to the individual, exercising little or no restraint on behavior, abdicates the single most legitimate purpose of the state: to increase the common good and uphold the moral order. To quote Edmond Burke:

“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

-— Letter to a Member of the National Assembly (1791)

A corrupt society, filled with men of licentious inclinations, cannot maintain its economic stability; or do you suppose the folly of the Roman Republic is worth revisiting in our times? “Give us bread and circuses!”

Economics does not transcend moral absolutes. Economics does not trump the Natural Law. History proves conclusively that no immoral or amoral culture can long prosper, nor survive its growing litany of perversions against the Natural Law; for such a corrupt body becomes its own undoing. Unfettered liberty generates unfettered vice.

Vice is not virtue; even if for a time libertarianism may advance a nation’s economic standing, it remains a foundation of sand because it denies the absolute transcendent truth indelibly stamped on the consciousness of every man by He who created all things. God is not mocked.


203 posted on 06/08/2010 1:12:37 AM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: jmc813

thank you.


204 posted on 06/08/2010 4:16:29 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: TCH

that is ONE GREAT POST!!!!!


205 posted on 06/08/2010 4:19:08 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“Go on youtube and watch his clips on economics and you will understand why he has such a huge following.”

Ok I will. I don’t doubt Schiff has good ideas on fiscal economy. Sadly, though, for every good thing coming from a Ron Paul type there is something else I don’t like.


206 posted on 06/08/2010 5:17:04 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: TheBigIf

“It is amazing how some could call someone who is ok with the murder of innocent human life a leader of a liberty movement.”

FWIW, it doesn’t sound to me like Mr. Schiff has given the issue much introspective thought. Like many “one issue” candidates, his thinking isn’t straying much from his expertise, i.e. economics. Problem is, he’s running for Senate, not lead economist.

To his defense, though, this is a very, very smart individual. If he ever actually thinks about the issue in any depth, he might pleasantly surprise us.

While infanticide is a hot button topic for me on it’s own merits, I’ve seen that it also gives a very good snapshot view of how a person relates to the world in general from a moral perspective. If you’re not able to take what is really a very easy moral stance in saying that innocent life must be defended, how can you expect the person to take a difficult moral stance when the right and wrong answers are not so clear?


207 posted on 06/08/2010 5:34:31 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Repudiate the 0bama debt)
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To: Mozilla

Schiff is going for the Senate, not the damn presidency. There are 99 others there and he would at least add a voice of fiscal sanity that is sorely lacking from all sides.

Other than Gregg or Demint, the GOP is mostly useless and someone like Schiff would be good to bring a voice of reason to the most pressing issue right now our economy.

And those screaming about national security need to understand that we can have national security with a horrible economy.


208 posted on 06/08/2010 5:38:41 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

Then the GOP should have supported the only conservative in the race, Vinny Forras, eh?

Why are libertarians so against Conservatives and promote gay marriage, gay rights, drug legalization?


209 posted on 06/08/2010 5:44:38 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: RaceBannon

I’m not for those things and you know that Schiff’s main appeal is not the gay nonsense. Plus, his vote would not be a game change since he would be replacing a lib.

Look, we need some real deal economic sense in DC, that is sorely lacking.

I dont know much about the Forras guy, but have been watching Schiff’s videosa for a few years and the guy called the current mess to the tee, well before anyone else.


210 posted on 06/08/2010 5:50:41 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: MadIsh32

You’re a Paulbot aren’t you. As Helen Thonas said you can go back to RonPaul forums or where ever you came from. You’re not even from CT.


211 posted on 06/08/2010 5:55:19 AM PDT by McGruff (So how is that Hopey Changey thingy working out for ya America?)
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To: GlockThe Vote

So what? Schiff is not alone in calling for future economic collapse

and as for replacing a lib...why replace a lib with a lib???

Good Grief!!


212 posted on 06/08/2010 6:18:31 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: RaceBannon

Good lord, what is your obsession with homosexuals?


213 posted on 06/08/2010 6:52:20 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: RaceBannon; GlockThe Vote; McGruff; RKBA Democrat; #1CTYankee

a group of us in CT use the following criteria when supporting candidates:
1. Must be a genuine conservative and
2. Must have a legitimate chance to be elected and
3. Must run a campaign that is reasonably competent.

Schiff fails on 2 & 3. It’s debatable whether he fails #1.

It could be argued that no GOP candidate for Senate meets the above criteria. So long ago, we moved on ... to races for state Senate, state rep., etc.

The biggest problem we run into is criteria number 3. It is hard to work with a candidate who insists on running a half-ass campaign. Many of them now are refusing to do much, “get back to us in August ...”


214 posted on 06/08/2010 6:59:16 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: Wuli

Mr. Bumble on hearing the law supposed he was in charge of his wife:
“If the law supposes that, then the law is a ass, a idiot! If that’s the eye of the law, then the law is a bachelor. And the worst I wish the law ...”


215 posted on 06/08/2010 7:15:12 AM PDT by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: RaceBannon

You remind me of the sort of person that reported me for having cracks in my sidewalk when me and my wife got laid off within weeks of each other.


216 posted on 06/08/2010 7:16:49 AM PDT by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: RaceBannon

we knew the carpet baggers and looneys would crawl from under rocks to glom onto the tea party movement.


217 posted on 06/08/2010 7:22:53 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TCH

Excellent post! Thank you.


218 posted on 06/08/2010 8:41:47 AM PDT by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: RaceBannon
out of state workers who told me they were working for Schiff were collecting signatures

That is against Connecticut Law.

Did not know that. Interesting. I guess that one could argue "what difference does it make if the collector of signatures is not a state resident", if the actual signer is?

But if it's illegal its illeagal and those signatures collected by those individuals should be disqualified.

Now, not knowing anything about CT politics, if Schiff is out by not qualifying signatures, who's left to replace him on the ballot, and is the replacement better or worse than Schiff would have been?

219 posted on 06/08/2010 8:54:38 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: TCH

Post of the Day!


220 posted on 06/08/2010 9:10:51 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: RaceBannon

Well done., Very well done.

‘If you see something, say something’ works.


221 posted on 06/08/2010 9:15:23 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: RaceBannon

Bluementhal says Thank You


222 posted on 06/08/2010 9:20:26 AM PDT by PMAS
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To: RaceBannon

The current economic crisis is going to kill both parties. As a life-long Republican who has watched the GOP change into Democrat-lite, I say good riddance.

You’re not obviously of the same mind. A little poison is good for you?

Nobody drives from Montana for $2 a signature. Are you crazy? Maybe they did tell you that. Maybe Linda planted them. Maybe Linda was paying them more.

Sorry man. He is Libertarian leaning. So WHAT?

I wrote to Linda with specific questions months ago. She can’t answer those questions. I want someone who believes in the Constitution, not some person who buys their way in only to be another nail in this Country’s coffin.


223 posted on 06/08/2010 9:30:26 AM PDT by wilbs999 (Smaller Government, please)
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To: RaceBannon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

You got a fever and the prescription is more cowbell!!!



224 posted on 06/08/2010 9:41:05 AM PDT by MollyKuehl (Contribute to FR: $10 $20 $50 $100 REMEMBER, LURKING IS A FORM OF ENTITLEMENT!!!)
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To: Aliska

I too think he is dead on about the economy.


225 posted on 06/08/2010 9:42:16 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: wilbs999
Wow, you dont read very much, do you?

Guess what?

They didnt drive. they are paid employees, employed by the group that was there to get the signatures. That is their job. That is where they're sent.

I remember the woman saying National Ballot Association, but I did not find that group on the web, I found National Ballot ACCESS

that must be the group she said she was from, for they do balloting and signatures for elections like what is going on here, so either she told me the wrong name or I remembered it wrong, and she most likely told me the wrong name since you dont do this full time all year round.

As for the current economic crisis, why in the world are you endorsing someone who is taking money to invest in foreignnations???

Are we losing our jobs to other Americans or are we losing them to the Chinese??

SO WHY ARE YOU ENDORSING THE GUY WHO INCVESTS HIS MONEY WITH CHINA AND TRYING TO SAY THAT IS THE SMART THING???

226 posted on 06/08/2010 9:46:02 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: PMAS

Blumenthal and McMahon thank you for not voting for the conservative in the race, Vinny Forras!


227 posted on 06/08/2010 10:06:23 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Ouderkirk

the best candidate, Vinny Forras, was beat by 10 votes in the convention in the first round. Vinny sent his delagates to Simmons to keep McMahon out.

Schiff is an uber lib, check the other links throughout this thread, I proved that over in spades


228 posted on 06/08/2010 10:09:10 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
I too think he is dead on about the economy.

And his message on the economy isn't what many Americans want to hear.

It seems that you and I aren't the only ones who agree with him on the economy.

And, no, I do not nor have never supported breaking any laws. The problem is many of us may be breaking laws without even knowing it because there are just too many now.

I broke a law, sold a difficult item on ebay just to get it out of here, took a substantial loss on it, but it wasn't a capital asset. I completely forgot that since the buyer was in my state I should have collected state sales tax on it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but there it is. I'm sure not going to beat myself up over it now.

Same with garage and yard sales. Doubt few comply. I've never had one.

Haven't heard a statement from his compaign today, but it's out there now. It may yet work to his advantage by giving him more exposure even if he has to throw some signatures off the petition.

229 posted on 06/08/2010 11:04:29 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: RaceBannon

Vinny Forras is awesome


230 posted on 06/08/2010 11:19:39 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: blueyon

OOOPS I mean Vincent Forras


231 posted on 06/08/2010 11:24:09 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: MadIsh32

Obsession with homosexuals?

You raise a strawman argument. The issue is not about those who have an inclination to same-sex attraction. However unfortunate for them, it is a personal struggle, through which they must affect a strong combat for reasons of physiological, psychological and sociological necessity.

The issue is the propagation of an intrinsically destructive doctrine that opposes life and the common good.

Even if we put aside the moral imperative—which act would constitute the greatest of errors, since the moral code is a product of sound reason and marks the boundaries of that singularly most quoted imperative “love thy neighbor”—it will still be proven that anything directed against its own natural purpose is contrary to right reason.

The two sexes are specifically designed so their physiological, biological and psychological aspects are mutually beneficial. Male and female compliment one another, in all regards, to the natural end that their anatomy was specifically designed to affect: procreation of the species. This natural end logically supposes an intended purpose consistent with intelligent design.

Homosexual behavior is absolute in its destruction of that purpose. Understanding that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” it is reasonable to state that Nature does not work against itself. By logical extension, and since all things must have a first cause, then neither would an intelligent supreme being create an natural order having as a component of its initial design a species directed to its own demise.

Reason and logic dictate that whenever any object is directed against its own natural purpose, then that object is intrinsically disordered. Since the design of male and female reproductive anatomy gives irrefutable evidence to its intended purpose, it is an attack on reason to presume that biology would be so rebellious of its own preservation as to willingly submit to an ends contrary to that which affords its greatest chance of success.

Homosexual behavior acts in direct opposition to the propagation of life, both directly in its physical acts, and psychologically by subverting the natural order of creation. It is anti-life, and being unable to sustain itself through procreation, it may increase its numbers only by seduction.

The argument that same-sex attraction is a product of genetic accident is easily refuted; for if such a gene were existent for any period of time, it would soon by its own actions render itself extinct, as do most unnatural mutations.

Thus it is clear that the homosexual inclination is a product of external environmental stimulus and internal psychological impediments (intrinsically disordered desire). This distinction is important for reason that the state-enforced tolerance of intrinsically disordered behaviors (perversions) aligns perfectly with the anti-life philosophy that has imposed a literal death grip upon our culture. The rationale supporting this statement is the summation of those disorders, while still generally opposed, continue to advance, continue to realize great reinforcement through subversive indoctrination of the young, and thus continue to undermine true liberty with an emboldened narcissistic flattery that pretends itself tolerance.

Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine. Such philosophy entails the shackling of human society in a suicide pact that is contrary to the development of a resilient culture, is destructive of a sustainable and prosperous economy, and exists in direct opposition to right reason and the moral imperatives derived through the Natural Law.


232 posted on 06/08/2010 1:50:02 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: MadIsh32; All

Obsession with homosexuals?

You raise a strawman argument. The issue is not about those who have an inclination to same-sex attraction. However unfortunate for them, it is a personal struggle, through which they must affect a strong combat for reasons of physiological, psychological and sociological necessity.

The issue is the propagation of an intrinsically destructive doctrine that opposes life and the common good.

Even if we put aside the moral imperative—which act would constitute the greatest of errors, since the moral code is a product of sound reason and marks the boundaries of that singularly most quoted imperative “love thy neighbor”—it will still be proven that anything directed against its own natural purpose is contrary to right reason.

The two sexes are specifically designed so their physiological, biological and psychological aspects are mutually beneficial. Male and female compliment one another, in all regards, to the natural end that their anatomy was specifically designed to affect: procreation of the species. This natural end logically supposes an intended purpose consistent with intelligent design.

Homosexual behavior is absolute in its destruction of that purpose. Understanding that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” it is reasonable to state that Nature does not work against itself. By logical extension, and since all things must have a first cause, then neither would an intelligent supreme being create an natural order having as a component of its initial design a species directed to its own demise.

Reason and logic dictate that whenever any object is directed against its own natural purpose, then that object is intrinsically disordered. Since the design of male and female reproductive anatomy gives irrefutable evidence to its intended purpose, it is an attack on reason to presume that biology would be so rebellious of its own preservation as to willingly submit to an ends contrary to that which affords its greatest chance of success.

Homosexual behavior acts in direct opposition to the propagation of life, both directly in its physical acts, and psychologically by subverting the natural order of creation. It is anti-life, and being unable to sustain itself through procreation, it may increase its numbers only by seduction.

The argument that same-sex attraction is a product of genetic accident is easily refuted; for if such a gene were existent for any period of time, it would soon by its own actions render itself extinct, as do most unnatural mutations.

Thus it is clear that the homosexual inclination is a product of external environmental stimulus and internal psychological impediments (intrinsically disordered desire). This distinction is important for reason that the state-enforced tolerance of intrinsically disordered behaviors (perversions) aligns perfectly with the anti-life philosophy that has imposed a literal death grip upon our culture. The rationale supporting this statement is the summation of those disorders, while still generally opposed, continue to advance, continue to realize great reinforcement through subversive indoctrination of the young, and thus continue to undermine true liberty with an emboldened narcissistic flattery that pretends itself tolerance.

Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine. Such philosophy entails the shackling of human society in a suicide pact that is contrary to the development of a resilient culture, is destructive of a sustainable and prosperous economy, and exists in direct opposition to right reason and the moral imperatives derived through the Natural Law.


233 posted on 06/08/2010 1:50:44 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: RaceBannon

Good job!


234 posted on 06/08/2010 1:52:28 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: MadIsh32; RaceBannon; All
Peter Schiff responds to complaint at presser today:

**Peter Schiff Meets The Press** Hartford, CT June 8, 2010.wmv - Youtube

235 posted on 06/08/2010 3:03:33 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: RaceBannon

can’t vote in CT, I don’t live there McMahon won’t beat Blumenthal - Schiff may have had a shot


236 posted on 06/09/2010 5:39:23 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: PMAS

Schiff has zero shot

Forras had almost the same vote count a the convention on the first pass, and Vinny never had the press and Tea Party building him up

People hate Schiff’s arrogance and smart mouth attitude when they hear him speak live


237 posted on 06/09/2010 7:23:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: RaceBannon

BUMP, PAL!


238 posted on 06/09/2010 10:06:29 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: RaceBannon

you’re as bad as some paulbots who refuse to side with conservatives because they’re libertarian purist. They rather see 20% enemey/liberal/democrats win the election than to allow an 80% friend win


239 posted on 06/21/2010 9:44:18 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

Peter Schiff is the best candidate for free market supporters. His social issues is not going to matter one bit as he’s not going to support federal funding on any social policies that Liberal support


240 posted on 06/21/2010 9:46:24 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

if you want 95% then vote Vinny Forras, cuz there sure aint any 80% people in the race outside of Forras

SCHIFF IS A LIBERAL ON ALL COUNTS

anti-war
anti-family
pro-gay marriage
pro-drug legalization
incvests in America’s economic competitors exclusively and refuses to invest in American companies

where in the world did you ever think Schiff got as high as 80% positives???


241 posted on 06/21/2010 4:46:24 PM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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