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Lesbians better parents
webmd ^ | June 7, 2010 | Kathleen Doheny

Posted on 06/07/2010 9:12:25 PM PDT by Keith Brown

June 7, 2010 -- Children raised by lesbian parents develop into psychologically healthy teens and have fewer behavior problems than their peers, according to the latest report on a long-running study that began in 1986.....


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: absolutetrash; antimalepropaganda; biasedreport; gayparentslesbian; homonazism; homosexualagenda; lesbonaziagenda; lesbonazism; mentalillness; moralabsolutes
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This is not so. I need more info to refute this.

Here is what I have.

1. If homosexuality was the natural state of human parentage then why does it take a man and a woman to create a child?

2. I have been a single dad for two decades and I will tell anyone to their face that a single gender cannot raise a well balanced child.

3. These lesbian kids are manufactured.... donors picked for abilities and traits in a lab.

4. The lesbian moms are upper income "educated" people with jobs and resources to participate in this sort of long term study.

5. A man cannot teach a girl how to be a woman and a woman cannot teach a boy to be a man.

I could use more input from a scientific stand point. God bless people of faith but I am dealing with non faith types so un refutable facts are more effective here.

1 posted on 06/07/2010 9:12:26 PM PDT by Keith Brown
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To: Keith Brown
It was just a matter of time before 'gays make just as good parnts as heteros' to 'gays make BETTER parents than heteros'.

It is my personal belief that if you allow any group self-segregated and lobbying by gender, gender preference, race, religion, etc an inch, they will immediately take a mile.

And always at someone else's cost.

2 posted on 06/07/2010 9:16:53 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Keith Brown

This all doesn’t really matter - the radicals have chosen to push their agenda, Hell or high water. They completely ignore facts, and make new ones up to back up their agenda.

I know better - when I was teaching, I had a pair of students who’s mother was (is) a practicing Lesbian. She would get a “partner” who would move in and stay for a period of time. They would have a falling out with a blow up. Then another lover came along and the story would start over. The kids are definitely not well adjusted. The older had developed into something less than a “good girl”. The younger son... can be a pretty good kid - but has some pretty amazing emotional issues.


3 posted on 06/07/2010 9:18:51 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Keith Brown

To think the study has any validity I’d need to know how many of the children interviewed were male or female.


4 posted on 06/07/2010 9:20:35 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: TheBattman

Next they will be saying homosexuality is better because there are no unwanted pregnancies.

But they can raise kids better than a mom and dad. Riiiiight.


5 posted on 06/07/2010 9:20:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Keith Brown

Would a study that concluded to the contrary ever see the light of day? Political correctness dominates science and academia so completely that everything they say is suspect.


6 posted on 06/07/2010 9:25:19 PM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Secret Agent Man

By better balanced they obviously mean able to accept immorality as normative.


7 posted on 06/07/2010 9:25:52 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Keith Brown

Junk scientists are a dime a dozen. I knew this was going to happen when they started giving out college diplomas to anyone that was willing to pay their outrageous tuition.


8 posted on 06/07/2010 9:27:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Bush made me do it!" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Keith Brown

lol

I can only imagine the premises they used


9 posted on 06/07/2010 9:27:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: Keith Brown

Percentage-wise it’s known that adopted children do better overall than non-adopted children, primarily because adopted kids are 100 wanted and planned which is not true for natural births.

Since most lesbian couples adopt, I can’t help but wonder how the above info factors into the conclusion.


10 posted on 06/07/2010 9:27:57 PM PDT by Thidwick
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To: Keith Brown

They key is how you define good and bad behavior. If you define male characteristics as bad behavior, the feminization of children raised by two females will rank higher on your metric. The is just a confirmation of the war on boys.


11 posted on 06/07/2010 9:28:43 PM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: Keith Brown

Once again, don’t take the argument at face value and try to win on the grounds they’ve already established - they’ve intentionally skewed the assumptions and the measures of “wellbeing” to favor their preconceived conclusions. What you need to do is to delve into how they defined all of the terms of art they bandy about - like “wellbeing” - and what sort of assumptions they rely on without really stating as such.

For example, I don’t think that most of us would consider over-indulged little brats to be well-adjusted or properly raised, but (and I don’t know if this is one of the subtle biases in this particular study) if one defines “well-being” in such a way that it increases to the extent that a child gets what they want - then having two over-indulgent mommies may result in a supposed increase in “well-being” when all it really indicates is that the child is especially over-indulged and especially likely to be a self-centered, childish brat when grown up (that is, a standard-issue liberal).


12 posted on 06/07/2010 9:30:16 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: TigersEye; metmom

I don’t believe a word of this.


13 posted on 06/07/2010 9:31:11 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (Obama as President is a DISASTER FOR AMERICA)
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To: Keith Brown

They’re FOS


14 posted on 06/07/2010 9:33:21 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Keith Brown

“psychologically healthy”...I’m guessing that’s where the manipulation will lie in this so-called study. What a liberal considers “psychologically healthy” and what a normal person considers “psychologically healthy” are very different things.


15 posted on 06/07/2010 9:34:01 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving.)
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To: LostInBayport

It’s an all-out assault on what’s right.


16 posted on 06/07/2010 9:38:15 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (FR - my online family. From Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)
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To: Amos the Prophet
By better balanced they obviously mean able to accept immorality as normative.

Precisely.

17 posted on 06/07/2010 9:42:05 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: GeronL
"I can only imagine the premises they used"

Well they sure did use any pen...

No. Better stop there. That would be wrong.

18 posted on 06/07/2010 9:43:39 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Keith Brown

Barbra Streisand at it’s worst. Sickening. The gays/lesbians need someone who care about their well being. A good psychiatrist who doesn’t buy into political correctness and might be able to counsel the GLBT among us. It is not normal and never will be.


19 posted on 06/07/2010 9:45:44 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Keith Brown

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/may/05053106.html

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=61437

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=61500

http://www.tfp.org/tfc/homosexual_adoption.htm

These may not be reports exclusively dealing with lesbians but they do include information about them.

I was looking for an article I saw long ago about lesbians being more violent towards one another than either gay men or people in a normal husband/wife relationship, but I have not been able to locate it yet.


20 posted on 06/07/2010 9:47:21 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Keith Brown

Don’t worry. In a year or two there will be another report debunking this. Of course that one will be buried by the MSM. This claim is utterly ridiculous.


21 posted on 06/07/2010 9:48:41 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (God to Obama: Don't think I'm not keepin' track. Brother.)
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To: Keith Brown
The teens raised by lesbian parents were rated higher in social, school, academic, and total competence, Gartrell found, while they were rated lower than the peers in the comparison group in engaging in problem behaviors such as rule-breaking and aggression.

Very ambiguous details on the actual ratings, but seems they are thrilled with the docile behavior.

Seeing that the data is being gathered from children who are indoctrinated into the homosexual lifestyle from birth, it would follow that the bulk of the questions dealing with social and total competence likely revolved around acceptance and tolerance of that lifestyle, and if that was the case, the results were neither surprising or unexpected, and the researchers were more or less guaranteed specific results as a consequence.

Even though I do not have a copy of the questionnaires, I would venture to say that the results of this "study" are fraudulent from the ground up and are the product of an agenda. Also, I'm of a belief that the results are both pointless and useless.
22 posted on 06/07/2010 9:58:13 PM PDT by Pox
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To: Keith Brown

“A significantly greater proportion of young adult children raised by lesbian mothers than those raised by heterosexual mothers in the sample reported having had a homoerotic relationship (6 of the 25 young adults raised by lesbian mothers [24%] compared with 0 of the 20 raised by heterosexual mothers.) 64 percent of the young adults raised by lesbian mothers report having considered same-sex relationships (in the past, now or in the future), compared with only 17 percent of those raised by heterosexual mothers.”


23 posted on 06/07/2010 9:59:15 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Keith Brown

Off to pop the popcorn......this ought to be good. LOL


24 posted on 06/07/2010 10:03:30 PM PDT by MIlle
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To: Keith Brown; skeeter; TheBattman; JLS; Thidwick; Oceander; Waryone

Those advocating the homosexual agenda rely for foundational credibility on the 1973 decision by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). However, concurrently and subsequently, no papers were presented refuting research previously done.

After this unsubstantiated decision, a new task force ensured perpetual sanctity for the APA action. The task force set standards for peer review of articles to dictate appropriate flexibility in design definitions, outcomes, and analytical models. This paper must follow those design standards to reach publication in any “worthy” venue.

Psychology and Psychiatry have chosen to abandon all pretense of scientific rigor in exchange for popular societal and political acclaim. In Genesis 3:23-24 the Lord God banished humanity from the Garden of Eden and placed an angel before the Garden to keep humanity away forever. By their actions, Psychology and Psychiatry appear content to keep science away from their own Garden of Eden.


25 posted on 06/07/2010 10:06:09 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Keith Brown

Well I bet the researchers already had this in mind. Most of those who do these studies are either homosexual or start out from a clear homosexual activist bias. There have been other studies that have shown such as below.

Pro-Homosexual Researchers Conceal Findings:
Children Raised by Openly Homosexual Parents More Likely to Engage in Homosexuality
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html

Love Isn’t Enough: 5 Reasons Why
Same-Sex Marriage Will Harm Children
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_samesex.html


26 posted on 06/07/2010 10:07:24 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Tyranny thrives when the people are silent.)
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To: Keith Brown
The study was funded by a variety of organizations, including the Lesbian Health Fund of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association and others, but the funders had no roles in the study, Gartrell says.

I'm certain the organizations knew exactly who to get to perform the study in order to get the results they were looking for.

WebMD requested comments on the new research from two organizations that favor traditional family structures -- Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council. Spokespeople for both groups said they will try to review the findings and provide comment, but those comments were not received in time for publishing.

Be sure to check with those websites...I'm sure they will have a well reasoned response to this study in the near future, if not already.

27 posted on 06/07/2010 10:07:35 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Keith Brown

My ex sister-in-law and her lesbian wife had a pair of twin boys via IVF. These were some of the sweetest, brightest and good looking boys that anyone could dream of. It would break my heart when the boys would beg me accompany them for father-son day at school and would not leave me alone on their visits following me from room to room just begging for attention. If you talked to these fine young men, you would be greatly impressed by their apparent normal development but just a little digging would reveal their overwhelming need for a male father figure in their lives.


28 posted on 06/07/2010 10:09:13 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Keith Brown

They’re liars plain and simple.


29 posted on 06/07/2010 10:13:20 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: Oceander

I think I found another blogger who agrees with you:
“I haven’t read the study, which comes out in July in the journal Pediatrics, but I’d venture that childhood outcomes have little to do with sexual orientation per se. For gay parents, having a child is a more “involved,” and in most cases expensive, process. It generally involves hefty adoption fees or paying for assisted reproduction technology. So those who have children are a self-selecting group: They want children and are wealthy enough to either meet adoption requirements – and pay the fees – or pay large medical bills. It’s no surprise that the lesbian parents in the study were very involved.”

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=06&year=2010&base_name=gays_make_better_hairdressers


30 posted on 06/07/2010 10:16:05 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

YIKES! The harsh comment under the article I linked to follows:
“Isn’t it wonderful that most children of lesbian parents have no idea about ther other half? One half of their genetic makeup is a freeloader psychopath sperm donor (only a freeloader would not contribute financially or otherwise and abandon his offspring), and the other half is a selfish reproducer who thinks that her desire to reproduce trumps her offspring’s right to know and have a good father who is involved in their lives. By sanctioning conception via donated sperm and eggs, by virtue of passing selfish freeloader psychopath genes, the society is signifiantly increasing the percentage of those within it that have these attributes.”


31 posted on 06/07/2010 10:18:43 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Pox
and total competence

At 8, I was raising and slaughtering rabbits for meat for the family and locals. You think they include something like that in 'total competence'?

/johnny

32 posted on 06/07/2010 10:20:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: freedomwarrior998
young adult children raised by lesbian mothers than those raised by heterosexual mothers

Wait. Where is dad in all of this?

/johnny

33 posted on 06/07/2010 10:21:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Keith Brown
3. These lesbian kids are manufactured.... donors picked for abilities and traits in a lab.

Not always or even generally. Generally they are one or both of the women's kids from a bad relationship with a man. Either he never married her, just beat her, or married her and beat her, or just slept with pretty much anyone who got drunk enough to have him.

Now what you say about "manufactured" kids may be true of well educated women who were "always" lesbians. But not of lower income, "discovered" lesbians.

Funny thing is, that if they are one of the women's kids, the other women often treats them worse than a step dad or live in "uncle" would.

34 posted on 06/07/2010 10:23:54 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Keith Brown

From a website called 365gay, these comments about the study:
“The study, done by researchers at Birkbeck College in London and Clark University in Massachusetts. says that children that are brought up by female couples are less likely to be confined by traditional gender roles and would even aspire to more male professions, said the Daily Mail”


35 posted on 06/07/2010 10:25:01 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Thidwick
Since most lesbian couples adopt,

Wouldn't be so sure about that. Many are made up of one "always a lesbian" and one who is at most bisexual, or just flexible sexually , but somewhat passive. She may very well have kids from previous relationships with one or more guys. The dyke likely doesn't treat her or her kids any better than the male scumbag who fathered them.

36 posted on 06/07/2010 10:27:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
You should read the article:

Researchers followed them and their children as they conceived through donor insemination.

It was a control study.

37 posted on 06/07/2010 10:31:45 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Keith Brown; 185JHP; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping

Freepmail wagglebee to subscribe or unsubscribe from the homosexual agenda ping list.

Be sure to click the FreeRepublic homosexual agenda keyword search link for a list of all related articles. We don't ping you to all related articles so be sure to click the previous link to see the latest articles.

Add keywords homosexual agenda to flag FR articles to this ping list.

I thought I was done pinging for the night but had to check latest comments one more time... The false premise of the "study" is debunked already down the thread.

38 posted on 06/07/2010 10:31:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Keith Brown

Spare us these outright lies.


39 posted on 06/07/2010 10:34:14 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Keith Brown

All else equal, it’s probably better to have “two mommies” than “two daddies.” The violence level is much greater in the latter situation. This still sounds like the result of fishy polling.


40 posted on 06/07/2010 10:38:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Keith Brown

You knew this crap was coming. The feminization of boys continues apace, and what better way to turn all our young men into sissy boys than to have them brainwashed by two radical feminist lesbians.

Homosexuals current fight is 100% acceptance through destroying the institution of one man, one woman marriage, and stealing that title for themselves.

The VERY NEXT DAY after homosexuals win the “right” to marry, they will demand preference in adoption. This kind of article is part of the start of that effort.

I will fight the homosexuals in every way that I can. They have all the rights they will ever need. No more. I’m done. No marriage for homosexuals and no adoption either.


41 posted on 06/07/2010 10:46:41 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Liberal are like termites eating away our cultural foundations.)
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To: Thidwick

Percentage-wise it’s known that adopted children do better overall than non-adopted children.

Would be interested in a source for your statement. I know of many adotions that have resulted in badly hurt kids mainly due to wildly unrealistic exectations on the art of the adotive arents. Basically the roblems I have witnessed stem from the way, overly idealized view of raising kids that these dysfunctional adotive arents have. They exect to form a erfect love relationshi with the kid which is never ossible. My sister was one such. Absolutely refused to disciline the child with redictable results. I have seen several other similar cases, as well. I would exect such immature alicants to be screened out and not allowed to adot, but they dont seem to be. Sorry about the rinting. I silled chocolate milk into my keyboard, and this is the result.


42 posted on 06/07/2010 10:48:48 PM PDT by elisheba
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To: Cyman

Thank you for adding some telling insight to the discussion.

It is intuitive that male and female children need the loving influence of both sexes for parent. Any other belief is insanity.


43 posted on 06/07/2010 10:51:46 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Liberal are like termites eating away our cultural foundations.)
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To: Keith Brown

Where is the BARF alert?


44 posted on 06/07/2010 11:44:07 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: Keith Brown

For years, I’ve been asking homosexual activists to provide evidence their behavior produces increased social and biological fitness in societies where their behavior is “normalized”.

They can’t do it.


45 posted on 06/07/2010 11:54:27 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Pox; Keith Brown; wagglebee; little jeremiah; scripter
Very ambiguous details on the actual ratings, but seems they are thrilled with the docile behavior.

Same thing struck me. It is the same thing that causes the experts to over-prescribe docility drugs to little boys.

The bottom line is that unless you have their definitions for "social, school, academic, and total competence", then you really have no idea what they might have actually measured, excluded, included, etc.

The other thing that strikes me is that that child DOES have a male parent someplace. If there is any kind of court-ordered joint custody, with these children spending time with each parent, then, that too undercuts this study.

In terms of actual research that says, "children do best with their own natural parents" it does exist. That fact was the basis of the fed court decision in Nebraska that the government does have an interest in marriage being between male and female.

My guess is that this study is trying to target the underpinnings of that court decision.

46 posted on 06/08/2010 12:20:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Keith Brown
Speaking from a totally biblical viewpoint, the proof of good parenting is the third generation, not the second. If your grandchildren lead good and healthy lives, then you have good parenting.

Let's see how successful these lesbian raised children are at raising successful families of their own.

47 posted on 06/08/2010 12:41:59 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Thidwick

You are correct. To correctly weight the study, the control group would have to be all adoptees.


48 posted on 06/08/2010 12:47:32 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: skeeter

Are you sure its not a parody?


49 posted on 06/08/2010 4:06:22 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Retain Mike

Homosexual Activists Intimidate American Psychiatric Association into Removing Homosexuality from List of Disorders.

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexual-activists-intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removing-homosexuality-from-list-of-disorders/


50 posted on 06/08/2010 4:21:56 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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