Skip to comments.New government entity to take control over military and civilian networks
Posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:58 PM PDT by oc-flyfish
This is pretty scary stuff. The Federal government is ready to seize control of private company networks in order to "protect" us in the event of a hacker attack.
I’m sure it won’t be too long before said hacker attack takes place then.
Their cover story is so shallow. Tyranny has arrived.
With little fanfare, the U.S. Cyber Command (CYBERCOM) has officially begun operation this week. The entity is a collection of personnel from the National Security Agency (NSA), Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force and policy makers (read that politicians). The stated purpose is to protect the vital interests of the United States in relation to the Internet. The entity is not just defensive in nature but can also engage in preemptive strikes intended to disrupt threats. Because this was an internal reorganization within the Department of Defense, the creation of CYBERCOM did not require congressional approval.
From the link.
This reminds me that I could not get onto FR the other day and wondered if there is some sort of “plan B” for communication if something/someone interfered with the site.
Is this the point in which I procure one of those tinfoil hats I’ve read about?
Hahaha! No tin foil hats needed for the site I was quoting. :-)
The site has lots of great information on government’s use of technology to take away our freedoms.
Exactly. If they control the private networks they can control the flow of information.
Why should conservatives be scared?! After all, it’s necessary to fight the Wars on Terror and on Drugs! /sarc
Heck, being a conservative, I would cut off my own head if it would help our law enforcement and military!/s/
I'll take "why did FR crash yesterday? for $1,000, Alex."
And a side order of tin foil. lol
I got a little paranoid when FR went down the other day, making me wonder what the hell would I do If I didn't know what anyone else was doing.
I know about leaderless resistance and small groups, but there has to be an outreach mechanism to other groups apart from email and the internet.
The balloon could go up instantly and without warning, and we need a way to network instantly.
. . . mostly to keep people from going off half-cocked, not knowing what is happening nationally, or regionally.
Why am I picturing some undergrown internet band (I’m sure there is something more technical than that, but it’s late and I’m tired) just like they had those ham radios to get western news in Russia back during the Cold War.
Get some rest and come back and explain who that works. Thanks. Sounds interesting.
oops who = how
Maybe use cloud computing. It is designed to not be decoded.
But I’m not a geek, but hubby would know more.
Basically I’m thinking along the lines of what we did before the internet with BBS boards. Just black screen DOS with chat rolling. Instead of using the connection to get into an IP address, you could use a private line to connect to a BBS type board.
Getting more sleep and also contacting my superhuman computer geek ex-brother in law. He would know. I remember watching that movie war games and we all joked about how they made that movie about him. He was putting the phone on a little gadget that dialed various computers with the squealy dial up sounds back in the mid 80’s.
See, I am so tired, I just realized I typed “undergrown” instead of underground.
Yeah, sleep is calling me.
This is like saying in case of Terror Attacks coming from the border with Mexico, the government will be taking over the guns and the situation...
ah, yes! The old BBS! I’m well acquainted with that, as my phone bill was phenomenal and I was really glad when it went the way of the dinasour. But you’re right! It shouldn’t take much for someone to learn how to use something like the bluewave reader or some such program to log in and get back in the saddle. I think it would be pretty hard for the gummint to shut down the BBS’s, much harder than shutting down the internet. But I don’t know for sure. They would have to shut down all phone service. Maybe ham would be the way to go after all.
"Cloud computing" is a newly invented name for an old method where you store all your data on someone else's servers. This is the worst possible solution for anyone who values privacy. Also, those servers (there are just a few) can be ordered offline at any time, and then you have nothing.
For example, imagine that you use Google Groups for general discussion, Google Mail for direct communication and Google Documents for specific papers. All your data is on Google's servers, you have no locally saved copies (usually.) Now Google is offline, or your account is disabled (all of that happened several times already.) You are in trouble, isolated from your contacts and robbed of all your documents and messages.
An opposite example is FreeNet. This is an experimental network that is designed for storage of documents on multiple computers (like p2p.) No single computer holds everything, and nobody knows where the data is actually stored - the network is designed to ferret the data out, but it won't tell you where it found it. So an attacker has no easy way to disrupt the network.
LOL...all I could think of was messaging via ‘pony express’...silly...but I felt exactly the way you did when this site went down. There’s got to be a way to remain organized and in touch.
Idiocy. Our Government gives up U.S. control of the Internet to world interests then freaks out about our security.
Ham is DEFINITELY a must for communication and we should probably get a group together in various places to be able to give information that the news might not pick up. But computers could be an option for a while.
The thing is, unless they take over the utility companies and/or wireless (which in a war or martial law is totally probable) they can only shut down servers.
Ok, off to doze and reflect on this. How to connect if phone or wireless is not available. Hmmmm
Think we should start a ham radio thread if there isn’t one already? I mean if we could get a few hundred, that ought to help some. I would love to get AmericaninTokyo in on this. He would be valuable to have in his area.
Agreed, Kimberly. It's not a good feeling to be afloat with nobody in sight. Keep the thread going. Maybe even get some names and contacts for off-line discussion.
Okay, then. Tomorrow.
Like we need another “government entity”.
Just like I need liver cancer or something.
Ha! I was thinking 2 steps back such as ‘phone trees’ and printing presses.
Ha! I was thinking 2 steps back such as ‘phone trees’ and printing presses.
So they think we computer people are too stupid to protect our own networks. Ok...
Hey, did anyone else notice their cell phones totally disconnecting from the web today for an hour?? Had several other people remark upon this, too.
They've been emboldened by the health care travesty and now they're going for the throat.
When FR goes down it's helpful to go there and see if others are experiencing the same trouble so you can rule out a problem with your computer.
I just thought I had been banned.
I think you can find information on this in the original PATRIOT Act legislation.
Yup! I finally remembered I was a member of that group and went to see what the problem was. We're okay there, as long as Yahoo don't dream up some phoney excuse to take the groups off line for 'maintenance' of some kind.
From now on, from their point of view, there will be no more problems.
Bump to look at later...
Oh yes. I'd look at the places where repression has been the norm, but has now sort of flipped roles. For example, in the old soviet union, I saw at least a couple solutions for full forums that couldn't be read by outsiders - not the KGB, not hackers. These were typically run by the virus writing community.
When I was last regularly active, the packet revolution had just arrived (1985). I enjoyed TCP/IP over ham radio in those days. The rise of the internet made the ham radio based comms just a silly toy. Can you imagine having to wait 3 weeks to move 1 megabyte of data over a very lossy radio path? The modem data rate was only 1200 bps with lots of overhead to create the synchronous packets that carried the AX.25 UI frames that wrapped the IP datagrams.
...you are supposed to use the FR decoder ring as soon as FR goes down...
My LDS stake in San Diego had ham radio ops, but also had an effective "phone tree" and "on the ground" connectivity via foot or bicycle. We could account for 5,000 people in the space of 30 minutes without phone or radio.
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