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Beware of Trojan Horses (Mod Lecture Series)
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Posted on 06/09/2010 1:20:45 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

This is just a quick note to everyone. Lately, a lot of people have discovered a video that supposedly is by a Hawaii official that claims there is no Hawaii Birth Certificate for the President.

We have no idea as to the legitimacy of this claim however, we need to warn everyone that the source of this video is a group called The Council of Conservative Citizens. This is NOT a Conservative group, do not be fooled by the name. This group is a front group for a neo-Nazi group known as the National Alliance and is associated with Stormfront.

Sources such as this are not welcome at Free Republic for obvious reasons. If you see this video posted, please report it to us through the abuse button so we can remove it.

These groups have a history of creating front groups or websites to try to sneak into the mainstream. Another site that you may see a lot that works like this is the EU Times. From what we've found, they are associated with a pretty nasty European Neo-Nazi group.

We don't expect everyone to check every single source, especially as some do stay under the radar. Just stay vigilant and know that sites like this are out there.

That is all. You may return now to your regularly scheduled broadcast.


TOPICS: Free Republic
KEYWORDS: birther; certifigate; freerepublic; hijack; modlectureseries; neonazis; stormfront; timadams; trojanhorse; trolls; vikingkitties
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To: LucyT

Thanks, LucyT. Never heard of any of these sites. Sometimes I feel so out of the loop. (sigh)


51 posted on 06/09/2010 9:26:52 PM PDT by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: LucyT

googled Timothy Adams and Obama, and see many many links...but I won’t go there because there are bugs a-crawlin this week!


52 posted on 06/09/2010 9:34:10 PM PDT by bitt ( "If this is what Team Obama calls "saved," then please, let me give purgatory a shot. ")
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To: bitt

Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

Adams is currently teaching in the graduate program of Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, Kentucky, (270) 745-0111. He’s listed, as Timothy Adams, in WKU’s faculty-staff directory, HERE. Timothy Adams is also listed as a Graduate Assistant of the English Department, HERE:

Timothy Adams
timothy.adams773@wku.edu


53 posted on 06/09/2010 9:37:48 PM PDT by bitt ( "If this is what Team Obama calls "saved," then please, let me give purgatory a shot. ")
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To: rolling_stone
Good work on verifying that there is a person matching his description.

I have to seriously doubt his judgment in choosing to call radio stations with this story, if it is, indeed, him. He could get sued for breaching the privacy clause that was most likely in his HI contract.

He may have just been sharing scuttlebutt in the HI office where it appears to be unlikely that he could actually have seen proof that BHO II didn't have a long form BC.

Proving the nonexistence of something is more problematic than proving something is there for starters.

54 posted on 06/09/2010 9:42:49 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: bitt
googled Timothy Adams and Obama, and see many many links...but I won’t go there because there are bugs a-crawlin this week!

Usually on a hot topic to Obama's detriment, the Obot script kiddies are busy messing with the websites by planting their bugs.

55 posted on 06/09/2010 9:57:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Seizethecarp

Maybe there was a time limit on confidentiality?


56 posted on 06/09/2010 10:03:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I don't believe there is a time limit for employees/contractors working for any part of the government when they have access to private personal information of citizens.

I used to work for the SSA and they drilled into us the penalties for violating privacy laws, and that is how it should be!

“Tim Adams” is doing something similar to what the 9 employees of the firm in Iowa are being prosecuted for doing. The 9 were “peeking” at Obama’s records and were caught because their computer access events had an audit trail.

We don't know how Mr. Adams came into possession of knowledge of his claim that Obama does not have a long form, or whether the claim is credible so the nature of his potential liability is unclear at this point.

57 posted on 06/09/2010 10:19:58 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Bump


58 posted on 06/09/2010 10:22:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks for the elucidation.

Well, we will see if Mr. Adams surfaces in another venue or not to continue his story.


59 posted on 06/09/2010 10:26:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: rolling_stone
Tim Adams video
60 posted on 06/09/2010 10:31:51 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp

I believe he prefaced his remarks with in his (their ) professional opinion obie didn’t have a long form..thus the weasel words to get off the hook..


61 posted on 06/09/2010 10:51:58 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Admin Moderator
Thanks for the heads up. We'll smoke them out.
62 posted on 06/10/2010 5:02:51 AM PDT by McGruff (So how is that Hopey Changey thingy working out for ya America?)
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To: Seizethecarp

I went to CofCC website, and they have the Tim Adams’ YouTube vid there. WND has picked up on it now, which will surely help their rep /sarc


63 posted on 06/10/2010 5:10:43 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: All
We received a note from a member asking to give a little evidence of the relationship between CofCC and these groups. This is what he sent us and is just a small fraction of the information we have on this group (direct copy of the email with links broken):
____________________________________________________

Links on the bottom left under European Allies. They include the BNP and Front National.
http://cofcc_dot_org/

Also, under “recent activity” you’ll see they have been on Derrik Black’s radio program- that would be Radio Stormfront for those not in the know. Derrik Black is Don Black’s son (Stormfront founder)

James Edwards, the founder of cofcc and the host of the radio program you are listening to is actually part of Stormfront.
http://mediamatters.org/print/research/200808150009

On the YouTube video, Stormfront logos start appearing at the 1:51 mark.
http://i50.tinypic.com/2417dww.jpg

..and just for the icing on the cake, their links page is chalked full of white nationalist crap.
http://cofcc_dot_org/links-database/ including the always fun “Euro Pride apparel” whose URL is white-pride_dot_org

64 posted on 06/10/2010 5:31:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; takenoprisoner

Thanks for posting. Some folks can’t see the nose on their face. Speaking of which, ping.


65 posted on 06/10/2010 5:34:38 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Seizethecarp; Jet Jaguar

” “Tim Adams” is doing something similar to what the 9 employees of the firm in Iowa are being prosecuted for doing. The 9 were “peeking” at Obama’s records and were caught because their computer access events had an audit trail.”

We don’t even know THIS for sure, so it is wise for FR err on the side of caution.


66 posted on 06/10/2010 5:39:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks for the info. I have have never heard of them.


67 posted on 06/10/2010 5:41:28 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Admin Moderator

World Net Daily now has an article interviewing Tim Adams. There is no video or connections to nefarious organizations.

Will this article be allowed to be posted?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165041

WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.


68 posted on 06/10/2010 6:23:13 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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Why don’t people trust WND?

What specifically have they said that is blatantly untrue.


69 posted on 06/10/2010 6:24:07 AM PDT by Sophia777
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To: Admin Moderator
If he is legit, he can give his information and/or interview to a legit source.

Exactly -- Thanks for the caution.

70 posted on 06/10/2010 6:40:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Admin Moderator
BUMPING

For whoever just posted another thread without reading this one.

71 posted on 06/10/2010 6:40:14 AM PDT by McGruff (So how is that Hopey Changey thingy working out for ya America?)
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To: Admin Moderator

Could you please help? The Sidebar Mod (I am sorry I do not know how to FReep mail any Mod) pulled three threads from this morning that were based on a story about Tim Adams but the article linked was at WND. I think the mod who pulled the threads saw “Tim Adams” and assumed they were from the “Trojan Horse” source that is the subject of this thread. Could you please consider restoring those threads? One of them was titled “Hawaii elections clerk: Obama birth not here” and the link to the WND story is this URL: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165041.

There were tons of pings on this thread and it is potentially a very important story. Anyone looking at FR today and not seeing it would definitely be shaking their head and wondering how we could have missed it. Thank you for any assistance you may be able to render.


72 posted on 06/10/2010 6:44:47 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: McGruff

The story is now at WND and that is considered a legit source here as far as I know. Even so, they got pulled - I believe in error. What thread are you pointing a finger at?


73 posted on 06/10/2010 6:48:52 AM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Natural Born 54
The story is now at WND and that is considered a legit source here as far as I know. Even so, they got pulled - I believe in error. What thread are you pointing a finger at?

Isn't WND simply repeating the statements from the white supremacist group? It doesn't exactly wash it clean.

74 posted on 06/10/2010 8:24:37 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: cindy-true-supporter

ping


75 posted on 06/10/2010 8:40:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( Racism is the first refuge of liberals. --J.T. Young)
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To: Admin Moderator; All

Now why did you guys pull the WND article where WND actually interviewed this guy AS WELL AS VERIFIED his claims of working for HI elections and teaching at WKU??


76 posted on 06/10/2010 9:40:48 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Kleon; natural_born_citizen
Isn't WND simply repeating the statements from the white supremacist group? It doesn't exactly wash it clean.

Nowhere in that article was he acting as a white supremacist in a group.

77 posted on 06/10/2010 9:47:46 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Natural Born 54

I meant to ping you above. Wrong NBC ;-)


78 posted on 06/10/2010 9:52:42 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: little jeremiah
Thanks for the elucidation.

Well, we will see if Mr. Adams surfaces in another venue or not to continue his story.

if he survives...

79 posted on 06/10/2010 10:28:42 AM PDT by 1234 ("1984")
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To: pissant

I hope the mod answers.


80 posted on 06/10/2010 10:49:47 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

They usually do - at their leisure sometimes.


81 posted on 06/10/2010 10:51:45 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Now why did you guys pull the WND article where WND actually interviewed this guy AS WELL AS VERIFIED his claims of working for HI elections and teaching at WKU??

Considering he went on a Stormfront-sponsored program to tell his story, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the moderators to allow it to be repeated here. They've allowed the opinions of several shady characters in the birther threads--from 9/11 truther Philip Berg to con man Lucas Smith--but I would say this goes too far.

82 posted on 06/10/2010 11:00:30 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Marked


83 posted on 06/10/2010 11:06:18 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Kleon

Well, Klingon, seems you want to have control of information. Let me guess, you’re a rabid after-Birther?


84 posted on 06/10/2010 11:10:17 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Kleon

after checking your posting history, I’ve changed my intent of the word Klingon. It was just a light gesture regarding Star trek aliens. After seeing your posts, it’s now more accurate as a dingleberry around Obama’s rear end.


85 posted on 06/10/2010 11:15:05 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

It has gone viral. about 1.5 million hits for “Hawaii elections clerk Obama birth”

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=vES&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Hawaii+elections+clerk+obama+birth&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


86 posted on 06/10/2010 11:15:31 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Admin Moderator

I would ask, which is worse, this group or Barking Obama and his commie czars? Honestly, I am not sure there is much difference except that one has real power and the other has a few followers.


87 posted on 06/10/2010 11:21:28 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: pissant

LOL...that’s the one.


88 posted on 06/10/2010 11:21:57 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; pissant; Red Steel; BP2; All
Joe Kovacs discusses in depth his 2 hr long interview of Adams & all the background investigation Kovacs did before interviewing Adams to verify the guy was legit.

Peter Boyles: 8AM hour: http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=fullshow_boyles.xml

89 posted on 06/10/2010 11:27:29 AM PDT by patlin
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To: patlin

After the play was reviewed by refs the threads stands. At least one of them does...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2531824/posts


90 posted on 06/10/2010 11:31:11 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: pissant; Admin Moderator; humblegunner; Allegra
They usually do - at their leisure sometimes.

Well, remember they do perform this Mod function in addition to their housework (from the archives): Why was a founding member of the FreeRepublic LLC 501(c) board banned by a housewife modmin/admin?

p.s. I now see your thread was restored as you thought. Cheers to the modmin/admin!


91 posted on 06/10/2010 11:43:52 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; humblegunner; Eaker; Admin Moderator
p.s. I now see your thread was restored as you thought. Cheers to the modmin/admin!

I never did get any of that pizza....

92 posted on 06/10/2010 11:52:35 AM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Allegra
I never did get any of that pizza....

I did.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...........

93 posted on 06/10/2010 11:57:22 AM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Allegra; Servant of the Cross; Eaker; Admin Moderator; Darksheare
I never did get any of that pizza....

You will recall that the Viking Kitty security forces
at the FR Complex wiped out TWO pizza delivery attempts
due to (apparent) lack of communication from the housewife mod.

NOBODY got pizza except the Viking Kitty security forces.

I'm kind of OK with that, though.

94 posted on 06/10/2010 12:03:37 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: LucyT; Red Steel; Seizethecarp; WhizCodger; theviking711; Fred Nerks; etraveler13; hoosiermama
Thanks for the PING Lucy!

It's funny to note that there is another "Tim Adams" involved in politics in Kentucky. He worked under both Bush Administrations. He even went to the same University that that this new Tim Adams now teaches English at.

Talk about weird coincidence. Probably nothing though. Probably means nothing. I looked at pictures of both men and they certainly are not the same man.

95 posted on 06/10/2010 12:08:35 PM PDT by InspectorSmith
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To: Kleon; pissant

“..I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the moderators to allow it to be repeated here.”

Hmmm ... interesting how things can change, huh ?

:
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About 1,450,000 results (0.24 seconds)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=vES&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=Hawaii+elections+clerk+obama+birth&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


96 posted on 06/10/2010 12:49:01 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: humblegunner

I could go for a slice or two right now...


97 posted on 06/10/2010 12:49:25 PM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: Eaker
I did.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...........

Ah-HA! I've suspected it for a while, but wasn't quite sure.

Now I know.

You're a procurement guy by day and a Viking kitty by night.

I knew it...

98 posted on 06/10/2010 12:51:35 PM PDT by Allegra (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: STARWISE
Hmmm ... interesting how things can change, huh ?

Yes, I was wrong when I said such a story wouldn't be tolerated here.

What hasn't changed is the fact that this guy decided to drop this news on a radio show sponsored by Stormfront, and that the story was initially spread by a white supremacist organization. I think that we should still keep this in mind when evaluating this claim for ourselves.

99 posted on 06/10/2010 12:59:13 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Kleon

Where do you see that Peter Boyles’ radio show is sponsored by S’front ?

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=fullshow_boyles.xml


100 posted on 06/10/2010 1:19:43 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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