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Russia Church wants end to Darwin school "monopoly"
Reuters Of India ^

Posted on 06/09/2010 2:59:41 PM PDT by kronos77

(Reuters) - The Russian Orthodox Church called Wednesday for an end to the "monopoly of Darwinism" in Russian schools, saying religious explanations of creation should be taught alongside evolution.

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Liberals said they would fight efforts to include religious teaching in schools. Russia's dominant church has experienced a revival in recent years, worrying rights groups who say its power is undermining the country's secular constitution.

"The time has come for the monopoly of Darwinism and the deceptive idea that science in general contradicts religion. These ideas should be left in the past," senior Russian Orthodox Archbishop Hilarion said at a lecture in Moscow.

"Darwin's theory remains a theory. This means it should be taught to children as one of several theories, but children should know of other theories too."

Charles Darwin's theory of evolution has proved divisive in the United States, where Protestant groups promote Creationism, the idea that God made the world as described in the Bible, and the "intelligent design" view positing an unnamed creator.

Hilarion said the theory that one species could evolve into another had never been proved. Children "should know about the religious picture, the creation of the world, which is common to all the monotheistic religions," he said.

DANGEROUS IDEA

Lyudmila Alexeyeva, a veteran dissident, told Reuters Russian liberals would fight any attempt to introduce religious teaching into Russian classrooms, particularly in science.

"It's a dangerous idea and we will do all we can to stop it," she said. "We overcame Communism as the state ideology and certain forces want to replace it with Orthodox Christianity."

(Excerpt) Read more at in.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: creationism; darwin; darwinism; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; news; religioncreationism; russia

1 posted on 06/09/2010 2:59:42 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

Whoop!!! as we say in Texas!!!


2 posted on 06/09/2010 3:00:24 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: kronos77

Technically, modern Russia has no Church / State separation, and this could be worked out. The Orthodox church is the State church.


3 posted on 06/09/2010 3:08:01 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: kronos77

Still a bit early to start angering the violent atheists in that country. It was only about 20 years ago that communism fell.


4 posted on 06/09/2010 3:14:40 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: kronos77; All
I urge those FREEPers interested in putting a positive face on I.D. to go to imdb.com at this site:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/

and "rate" the Ben Stein documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" as a ten.

Atheists have taken the film's rating down to 3.7.

5 posted on 06/09/2010 3:27:57 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: kronos77

I have never understood why EITHER needs to be taught in school.


6 posted on 06/09/2010 3:40:56 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: kronos77

I read somewhere recently that there were (Red) Chinese scientists that had discovered fossil records that also throw serious questions on the Theory of Evolution. I wish I had kept the link but somebody on this forum will have it I am sure.


7 posted on 06/09/2010 3:41:30 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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8 posted on 06/09/2010 6:31:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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9 posted on 06/09/2010 6:31:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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The Doctor Fun Page

10 posted on 06/09/2010 6:32:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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11 posted on 06/09/2010 6:33:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

No christians in russia, though.


12 posted on 06/09/2010 6:44:38 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: SunkenCiv

There is significant precedent for this situation. As a student in divinity school, Stalin (or whatever his real name was then) read Darwin and thereafter lost his faith.


13 posted on 06/09/2010 6:56:40 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: kronos77
Add this to a list of things to like about the Orthodox church.

The way the question is usually phrased is "Should religion be put on an equal standing with evoloserism in public schools?" and the correct answer is, only if the religion you pick is the RIGHT one. I.E. in order to have an apples to apples comparison you'd need a religion which operated on an intellectual level similar to that of evolution and the only two candidates would be Voodoo and Rastafari.

14 posted on 06/09/2010 9:31:32 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Fractal Trader

But that has to be a statement more about Stalin than anything else IMO.


15 posted on 06/10/2010 1:48:58 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: kronos77

God Bless the Orthodox Church for renewing its mission to liberate minds from Darwinism and relativism.


16 posted on 06/10/2010 6:30:47 AM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: James C. Bennett
Technically the Constitution of Russia says,

Article 14

1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No state or obligatory religion may be established.

2. Religious associations shall be separate from the State and shall be equal before the law.

It is the Constitution of the United States of America which technically does not mention "separation of church and state." You also won't find the word "secular" in the US Constitution.

17 posted on 06/11/2010 1:19:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MarMema
I never said there were no Christians in Russia. I said that the Russian government is not Christian.

Oh, by the way - that Russian/Islamic invasion of Israel thing?

RUSSIAN, IRANIAN, TURKISH LEADERS MEET

Like I said, Russia is getting closer and closer with the nations God said it will attempt to invade Israel with.

18 posted on 06/11/2010 3:31:15 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“1. The Russian Federation is a secular state. No state or obligatory religion may be established.” [excerpt]
Secularism is a religion.
19 posted on 06/11/2010 6:11:19 PM PDT by Fichori ('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
You said Russia was not a Christian country. Name me one that is..

It was a planned summit for more than three countries

But hey, don't try to see what is really there in your desperation for an outcome you hope to see happen.

20 posted on 06/11/2010 7:39:18 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
What growing Iranian ties to Russia?
21 posted on 06/11/2010 10:40:36 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Tailgunner Joe

But don’t they have a State Church? The Orthodox Church occupying that status?


22 posted on 06/11/2010 10:48:04 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: Tailgunner Joe

But don’t they have a State Church? The Orthodox Church occupying that status?


23 posted on 06/11/2010 10:50:28 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: MarMema
A Resilient Iran Shields Itself from Pressure by Building Alliances

"But in another sign of the fragile nature of Washington's anti-Iran alliance, the leaders of Russia, Turkey and Iran convened a regional security summit Tuesday to emphasize the realignment of military power in the region. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who backs U.N. sanctions, said the measures should not "be excessive" or impose undue hardship on the Iranian leadership or the Iranian people."

24 posted on 06/12/2010 3:15:56 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: MarMema
Desperate? The one who is calling God a liar is calling me desperate? LOL!!!

If you like, I can give you a list of Bible prophecies made by God that have actually happened just so you know that God is, indeed, omniscient and omnipresent and knows past, present and future and knew thousands of years ago that there would be a Russian invasion of Israel. I know it may cave your entire world in, but before you start calling others desperate, you need to get the facts and the fact is is that God, not me, said that Russia will invade Israel.

You are one who is desperately and dangerously grasping at straws, grasping at anything you can to deny what God said because of some strange fixation om a country that could not give a rat's a** about you or what happens to you.

Frankly, its bizarre, and DESPERATE.

25 posted on 06/12/2010 3:24:28 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: James C. Bennett

No, technically they do not.


26 posted on 06/12/2010 10:41:24 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MarMema

This is what should be done: Darwinism theory should be explained, as logically as possible. Then, discussions should ensue about why so many thoughtful people believe that evolution is IMPOSSIBLE. Debate should not be feared, but it is. God forbid that students be encouraged to think for themselves before they have been brainwashed by origins demagogues. Bob


27 posted on 06/16/2010 10:55:20 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night, Flicker their souls to the wind." Al Stewart)
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To: kronos77
Yes, evolution is a scientific theory. As such it explains the evidence and allows accurate prediction.

Creationism is not a scientific theory and is an intellectual dead end that leads nowhere in terms of use or discovery.

If you want to instruct students in science in science class (a radical and novel idea to some apparently), then keep out religious dogma. It has no place there. Teach religion in religion class, that is where it belongs.

28 posted on 06/16/2010 11:02:09 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Fractal Trader; SunkenCiv; All

Stalin may have lost his faith because he read Darwin, but then he supported Lysenko, whose view of evolution was quite different and illogical.


29 posted on 06/16/2010 9:03:42 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Yep, and Stalin exiled anybody who agreed with Darwin and Mendel to Siberia.

Lysenkoism was just as unscientific as creationism, but dressed in the language of the ‘theology’ of communism.

30 posted on 06/17/2010 6:20:38 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: gleeaikin
:') I think it gives Stalin too much credit. He was a twisted freak with a frightening level of disregard for human life. I like this shot, it shows Stalin's warm side, smiling pleasantly while Lysenko paints the way to the future.
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31 posted on 06/17/2010 7:15:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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http://www.soviethistory.org/images/Large/1947/lysenko.jpg


32 posted on 06/17/2010 7:19:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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