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Hispanics abandon Arizona, fleeing economy, immigration law
Christian Science Monitor - Yahoo ^ | 06/10/10 | Husna Haq

Posted on 06/11/2010 11:45:58 AM PDT by Borges

Arizona’s hard-hitting immigration law is driving Hispanics out of the state weeks before the controversial law goes into effect.

Although concrete figures are not available, anecdotal evidence suggests Hispanics, both legal residents and illegal immigrants, are starting to flee.

Schools in Hispanic neighborhoods are reporting abnormal enrollment drops, and businesses that serve Hispanics also report that business is down, according to a USA Today report published Wednesday.

The report suggests that the immigration law is compounding demographic trends that have already significantly curtailed illegal immigration during the past two years. The bad economy has been the primary deterrent to many Hispanic immigrants seeking to enter Arizona, says Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington.

“If you have a bad economy and a hostile environment, then that’s likely to cause people to think twice about coming, and possibly even to leave,” Mr. Passel says.

Arizona’s new immigration law requires that police conducting routine traffic stops or other checks ask people about their immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that they're in the country illegally.

The law also makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally or to disrupt traffic when hiring day laborers, regardless of a worker's immigration status. It would also become a crime for illegal immigrants to solicit work.

Critics contend the law could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics. It could also force an exodus of scared immigrants – legal and illegal. Nearly 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after it passed a 2007 law that penalized businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; az; buhbye; illegalimmigration; immigration; kthnxbye; sb1070; seeya
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1 posted on 06/11/2010 11:45:58 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

If I was thinking of moving, I’d seriously think Arizona.


2 posted on 06/11/2010 11:47:36 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Borges

I strongly doubt that there is an exodus of legal residents. More likely, this is evidence of higher numbers of illegals than thought or admitted.


3 posted on 06/11/2010 11:49:00 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Borges

Now we need the other states to pass the same law !


4 posted on 06/11/2010 11:49:02 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Borges

Illegals will leave the country instead of moving from one state to another if several more states pass similar legislation.


5 posted on 06/11/2010 11:49:21 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Borges
I don't have any idea why Hispanics would flee the law in Arizona. What is the CSM saying about Hispanics???? I think of them as fine upstanding citizens, but perhaps the CSM disagrees?

Now, I fully understand why illegal aliens would flee the law in Arizona. That seems like the intended outcome. Well done Arizona!

6 posted on 06/11/2010 11:49:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Borges

>> Hispanics, both legal residents and illegal immigrants, are starting to flee.

EXCELLENT!

Go to mejico.

Or Kalifornia.

Don’t come to Texas! We don’t want or need any more of you.


7 posted on 06/11/2010 11:49:52 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Borges
it seems Arizona is providing a good model for cheap immigration reform and maybe even balancing the state budget.

other states interested??

8 posted on 06/11/2010 11:50:08 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Borges

Awesome! No reconquista for the imperialist conquistadors!


9 posted on 06/11/2010 11:50:25 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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To: Borges
anecdotal evidence suggests Hispanics, both legal residents and illegal immigrants, are starting to flee.

Let's not be fooled here. The "legal residents" are a little jumpy because they're living with "illegal" relatives. Anchor babies are just one variety.

10 posted on 06/11/2010 11:50:26 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Borges

Only the Hispanic illegals? What about all the other illegals?


11 posted on 06/11/2010 11:51:04 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: elpadre

It’s going to be interesting in a few years to see what happens to Arizona’s economy.

Will hospitals start to operate in the red? Or will there be a slump, as the libs claim - because “undocumented workers contribute so much”.


12 posted on 06/11/2010 11:53:31 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: Borges

When the other 56 states pass the AZ law, PROBLEM SOLVED.


13 posted on 06/11/2010 11:54:01 AM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: Borges
Although concrete figures are not available, anecdotal evidence suggests...

Nothing like cold hard evidence to back up your hypothesis. I think this writer has a future with in the global warming community.

14 posted on 06/11/2010 11:54:11 AM PDT by Random Access
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To: Borges

Great news!

I hope other states follow AZ’s example.


15 posted on 06/11/2010 11:54:37 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: Borges

We either stop illegal immigration or we lose America as we know it. If you want more voters in favorite of big government then just turn a blind eye.


16 posted on 06/11/2010 11:54:57 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Tyranny thrives when the people are silent.)
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To: Man50D

I don’t doubt they will.


17 posted on 06/11/2010 11:55:19 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Borges
When Singapore started cracking down on drug dealers in the 1960’s, the bong shops suffered as a consequence.
18 posted on 06/11/2010 11:56:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Borges

“anecdotal evidence suggests”

lol


19 posted on 06/11/2010 11:57:12 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Borges

Awesome news!

Just don’t come to Texas


20 posted on 06/11/2010 11:59:25 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Borges

If we drive the illegals out who will keep the fertility rate of America at the minimal 2.1 children per family to keep us from losing population?

Illegals have to do the children creating American women aren’t willing to do! LOL!


21 posted on 06/11/2010 11:59:44 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Borges
Although concrete figures are not available, anecdotal evidence suggests Hispanics, both legal residents and illegal immigrants, are starting to flee.

Allow me to translate: I am making this all up, because no one knows what is happening and there is no way to measure this, statistically, at this time.

Why would legal, law-abiding residents leave? Makes no sense. This is just some foreign reporter's agenda.

22 posted on 06/11/2010 12:01:25 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Nervous Tick

23 posted on 06/11/2010 12:01:28 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: I still care
If I was thinking of moving, I’d seriously think Arizona.

Come on over. Bring money.

24 posted on 06/11/2010 12:02:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Borges

they are all moving to either colorado or california is my guess.


25 posted on 06/11/2010 12:03:52 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Is Texas going to pass the same sort of law?


26 posted on 06/11/2010 12:08:48 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Borges

Like cockroaches to the light...


27 posted on 06/11/2010 12:09:10 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: Borges

Like cockroaches to the light...


28 posted on 06/11/2010 12:09:34 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: I still care

IMO, Arizona, as a result of departing illegals and others, will find reduced costs in education, welfare, public housing, prisons, law enforcement, and more. Illegals drain the state budgets. These are facts that for some reason, governments, at all levels refuse to recognize.


29 posted on 06/11/2010 12:11:29 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Borges

This would be good news if it were true. But it’s just more Obama Propaganda

Data Not Showing Illegals Fleeing Arizona Law
per Fox news


30 posted on 06/11/2010 12:11:45 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Borges

I hope they’re all going to San Francisco.


31 posted on 06/11/2010 12:12:13 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Maelstorm

And to all of the “intelligentsia” who want to see America’s population reduced by 25 million immediately (and are having back room deals to reduce medical to the elderly, SSAN, pensions, etc.), accomplish this in one fell swoop by deporting ALL illegals first!


32 posted on 06/11/2010 12:12:57 PM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Borges

Oklahoma passed some tougher immigration laws a couple of years ago and we heard similar stories from that state. Haven’t heard a lot recently, but I think their law did decrease the number of illegals.

It never created the sort of uproar this Arizona law has caused. Don’t know if it was significantly different, or if the presence of Obama and his gang has simply been the catalyst for the protest against the Arizona law.

Anyone know how things have gone in Oklahoma in the past year or so?


33 posted on 06/11/2010 12:14:25 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Borges

I wish MY state would pass and enforce a law like that.


34 posted on 06/11/2010 12:14:57 PM PDT by Grunthor (Getting married, T minus 15 days.)
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To: Borges
"I love it when a plan comes together." John "Hannibol" Smith

Reduced crime, reduced social welfare cost, decreased deflationary wage pressure and improved job prospects for Americans seeking entry level jobs.

Even Mexicans win, reduced exposure to organized crime and increased pressure on the Mexican Government to reform.

Amazing what happens when you just enforce laws.

35 posted on 06/11/2010 12:15:23 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Borges

It would be nice if they were all fleeing south rather than north.


36 posted on 06/11/2010 12:18:53 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Borges
Schools in Hispanic neighborhoods are reporting abnormal enrollment drops

Same thing happened to the school in my neighborhood. On June 2ond there was a 100% decrease in attendance.

37 posted on 06/11/2010 12:28:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: Borges

Hope that most don’t end up in North Carolina. We’ve got too many.


38 posted on 06/11/2010 12:28:24 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Man50D

Yes - it is called “self deportation.”


39 posted on 06/11/2010 12:31:54 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: I still care

I am seriously thinking about moving to AZ. If they dump corrupt McCain then it might seal the deal.


40 posted on 06/11/2010 12:32:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Beowulf9

>> Is Texas going to pass the same sort of law?

I wish! But, no. :-(


41 posted on 06/11/2010 12:37:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: kiltie65

“And to all of the “intelligentsia” who want to see America’s population reduced by 25 million immediately (and are having back room deals to reduce medical to the elderly, SSAN, pensions, etc.), accomplish this in one fell swoop by deporting ALL illegals first!”

NO WAY!! Those damned seniors are likely to be REPUBLICAN voters. The idea is to kill them off and replace them with Mexicans-—the new BLACK race!!!


42 posted on 06/11/2010 12:42:24 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Maybe if we weren’t taxed so much for unending welfare for anchor babies, we AMERICANS could afford to have more children.


43 posted on 06/11/2010 12:48:22 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A racist is a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal.-FReeper Freespirited)
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To: pallis

Good point. The article implies Hispanics = Illegals. Poor choice of wording.


44 posted on 06/11/2010 12:53:57 PM PDT by ocr1 (really?.. Really?)
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To: Vision

“I hope they’re all going to San Francisco.”

If so - I hope “they wear flowers in their hair.”

That old hippy song is hilarous. He sings about gentle people in SF. The joke is violent crime is pretty high in SF.


45 posted on 06/11/2010 12:56:35 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: pallis
I strongly doubt that there is an exodus of legal residents. More likely, this is evidence of higher numbers of illegals than thought or admitted.

Typical liberal (the report) blurring the issue. Probably a couple of legal Hispanics move in the typical American way of looking for something better elsewhere. So, the Libs add them to the mix of hundreds of illegals bailing out and say "legals are fleeing as well" as if they were in equal amounts. Total B/S.

46 posted on 06/11/2010 12:57:40 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Politicalmom

I don’t know about that. It might help but I think the problem goes beyond one of finances. You have men and women waiting longer and longer to get married with children more and more being viewed as an inconvenience or they are too much work to raise. Dropping taxes won’t make us a more moral people and change our perception of see children as a blessing instead of a curse.


47 posted on 06/11/2010 1:06:15 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Borges
Cue Powers Booth in "Tombstone":

"Well . . . . . bye!"

48 posted on 06/11/2010 1:09:11 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Borges

No reason for legals to leave. Wow, look at the name of the “reporter” on this. And it’s CS Monitor, enough said.


49 posted on 06/11/2010 1:15:44 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Jack Hydrazine
If we drive the illegals out who will keep the fertility rate of America at the minimal 2.1 children per family to keep us from losing population? Illegals have to do the children creating American women aren’t willing to do! LOL!

They seem to be doing a great job in Chicago. In my travels through the Little Village neighborhood on the south side, which is an almost all Hispanic area, I see a significantly higher number of pregnant Hispanic women ready to drop a newly minted citizen, compared to neighborhoods of other ethnicities.

50 posted on 06/11/2010 1:31:03 PM PDT by dznutz
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