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Does the Military care about the Constitution? OR IS IT ALL ABOUT RANK, PRESTIGE AND PROMOTION?
Post and Email ^ | June 9, 2010 | Joe E. Sheldon

Posted on 06/11/2010 5:49:03 PM PDT by USALiberty

Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor anyone else has shown that the man meets that requirement (setting aside the other two in the Article). He has never shown himself to be eligible to hold the office he now occupies. The man is putatively your Commander-in-Chief and certainly, that means if he is not legally that, then your actions in helping to shield him grossly violate the black letter law of our country, as does his promulgation of orders, funding, etc. for all of the military – you included. His waging of war (whether declared or undeclared) is not valid if he is not legally eligible to hold the office, and much of that sort of reasoning, along with the pretense of underlings such as you in carrying out all orders from on high without question, is what the Nuremberg Trials were all about after World War II. Perhaps you are too young to remember those, but I am not.

((SNIP))

In paragraph 5, you speak of “facially proper” orders given to the defendant as though that were some inarguable justification for your rulings. It is not, since, as should be obvious to you, the orders given to the defendants at Nuremberg were also “facially proper,” but despite that, several of those being tried were executed. You should keep that in mind as you seek to violate the mandatory language for Presidential eligibility in the Constitution. It does not say the man SHOULD BE but rather that he SHALL BE a “natural born Citizen,” which is a particular term of art in that document. In the military legal proceeding at hand, you are not being asked to prove or disprove the Constitutional eligibility of the putative President, but merely that evidence be gathered and presented to the court on that matter.

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The military is playing with fire here! If the top brass will not do its job, who will?
1 posted on 06/11/2010 5:49:04 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty

“Does the Military care about the Constitution? OR IS IT ALL ABOUT RANK, PRESTIGE AND PROMOTION?”

Don’t forget about beneifts and a better retirement system that’s found in 99% of the private sector.


2 posted on 06/11/2010 5:51:42 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: USALiberty

No one in the military is going to do something silly on the basis of rumors and accusations, unless they don’t care about sitting in jail or losing their careers ...

I’ve seen other FReepers post here who are in the military and they know better than to do something stupid (from what they’ve said in posts). They’re not going to do something silly like a “third-world coup” ... LOL ...

If people want to get rid of Obama, the “sure-fire method” for getting rid of him is to vote him out of office. It works 100% of the time, when a guy loses the election ... :-)


3 posted on 06/11/2010 5:58:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Dayman

It seems you never spent any time in the military. If the military received benefits equal to in time and labor for those in the private sector their wages would be three times at least. I spent 27 years in and my typical work day involved 16 or more hours under routine work and vacation time so to speak of maybe 8 hours per day. While at sea on subs involved as much as 24 hours work with 4-6 hours rest for entire trip. Forget about all the perks that unions are entitled too.


4 posted on 06/11/2010 6:02:07 PM PDT by spookie (SPOOKIE)
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To: USALiberty

Whenever I click on the link it tells me it’s not found. I Scroogled it and clicked on those links and it still tells me ‘not found’.


5 posted on 06/11/2010 6:02:34 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: dljordan
Try here.
6 posted on 06/11/2010 6:05:25 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: USALiberty
I don’t want to see a coup d’etat against the Government. There are elections coming. That’s the route to get rid of Obama.
7 posted on 06/11/2010 6:07:38 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: spookie

Your time in the military skewed your perception of the private sector. Defined benefits pensions are rare in the private sector. Most workers don’t have them. Unions are a whole other can of worms, but unionized workers are a slim minority of the overall workforce.

The length of your work day doesn’t matter as you volunteered for that job. The total value of all benefits and allowances received by military personnel is substantial compared to the private sector.


8 posted on 06/11/2010 6:07:38 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: Dayman

When Hitler( a foreigner, Austrian) took over the German Military , the officer corp that it was wonderful. By the time most of them realized that they were supporting a insane dictator it was to late. Those that spoke against Hilter were removed from service( I don’t mean retired). While I don’t think obama would have military officers killed( at this time) he would make sure that they were no longer a threat to his office. I ‘am sure that the Officer corp of the American Military is afraid of losing rank, promotions and even their retirement. So just like German officers fearing Hilter , the American officers are afraid of obama.


9 posted on 06/11/2010 6:10:00 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: omegadawn

Probably rightly so. The MSM would cover up a modern day night of the long knives by portraying the officers as Tea Partiers and/or racists and the public would lap it up.


10 posted on 06/11/2010 6:15:28 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: Dayman
Don’t forget about beneifts and a better retirement system that’s found in 99% of the private sector.

Don't forget free burial services when they get killed protecting the freedom of people like you.

11 posted on 06/11/2010 6:15:43 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Dayman

Perhaps what you say is true. We did “volunteer” for the military. Just like you “volunteer” for any job you hold in civilian life. The differences being we know we are bound to be seperated from our families. We know we may have to do things others fear to acknowledge. We know that our job bring us closer to possible death than 99% of civilian jobs.
And we know what we will get from that job; long hours, pay, that while good, isn’t on par with the risks we accept, and the sometimes gratitude of those who will not step forward to do what we do: defend our country.

“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” - Winston Churchill”


12 posted on 06/11/2010 6:18:38 PM PDT by rustyboots
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To: omegadawn
There is a case now. The Dr. an active duty Officer, wants the proof a lot of average American citizens would like to see. Going in front of a military judge. I don't for a minute think these Officers & Gentlemen will have the ball's to say, We are also interested and the man has a point. The Dr. is going under the bus. No one has the balls in the military to stand with this man. Watch and see
13 posted on 06/11/2010 6:25:38 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: omegadawn

“(When Hitler came to power) the officer corp that it was wonderful”

To the contrary, Von Runstedt called him “the little Bohemian corporal.” General Manstein taught his teckel (dachshund) to give the `Hitler salute’ to entertain party guests.
Party member Rommel and others tried to have him killed. There were some who obeyed him without question—Paulus (who refused to kill himself after being promoted to Feldmarshal), and politicians like Jodl and Keitel ... but not too long into the war, veterans like Hauser & Dietrich, and young division commanders, Bitrich, Wunsch and `PanzerMeyer’ even in the SS (Liebstandarte) were following orders that made sense and ignoring those that didn’t.

I suspect our military despises him as much as we do. And we ain’t Germans. Our military are good people and better Americans than most.


14 posted on 06/11/2010 6:26:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (Why *does* Obama have an apparently phony SS#?)
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To: USNBandit
“Don't forget free burial services when they get killed protecting the freedom of people like you.”

You didn't mention the complimentary life insurance.

Military people do a good job and I'm grateful for their voluntary service, but let's take a look at just how many actually die in service to the US:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920490/posts

The per capita death rate is very low. It doesn't diminish their service, but it does show that the true risk to our service members is somewhat lower then some would have us believe.

15 posted on 06/11/2010 6:32:50 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: Dayman

SGLI isn’t free, you pay for it.


16 posted on 06/11/2010 6:37:15 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

How much per unit?


17 posted on 06/11/2010 6:38:33 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: omegadawn

I wish more was told of the Iraqi officers who defied Saddam (order to invade Kuwait), and were executed. That was courage, to defy an order that you knew was illegal, totalitarian, and would lead your nation into a war against the world.


18 posted on 06/11/2010 6:42:06 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Dayman; USALiberty

A VETERAN is someone who,at one point in his life wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America’ for an amount of ‘up to & including my life’

Doesn’t matter what bennies or services a military member gets, at some point, some of them are going to have that check cashed.


19 posted on 06/11/2010 6:42:08 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Dayman
Far and away, hands down, the US military wins the "bureaucracy of the world" award. For anybody other than a first term enlistee or officer contract, it's STRICTLY cover your ass until you go on the tit - period.

I was in a quirky little Marine Corps 'cadre' (formative, which never quite got formed up) unit as a lowly corporal, but worked hand in hand with senior NCOs and a ton of field grade officers - topped by a brigadier general......got to see all this careerism right in my little bootcamp face for the better part of a year.

20 posted on 06/11/2010 6:45:44 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: USALiberty

The top brass is doing its job and that job has absolutely NOTHING to do with questioning the legitimacy of a duly elected President. Not a thing.

IF you care so much about the Constitution then you would know that. I can’t imagine any Constitutional role for the military in this situation other than to say Yes, Sir.


21 posted on 06/11/2010 6:46:24 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: USALiberty
He has never shown himself to be eligible to hold the office he now occupies.

From what I can gather, proving one is eligible involves making your original birth certificate public. Has any President done so? Could we just as easily say Bush and Clinton didn't show themselves to be eligible either?

22 posted on 06/11/2010 6:46:35 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Dayman
"The total value of all benefits and allowances received by military personnel is substantial compared to the private sector."

What are your comparisons like when you factor in the risks involved between the private sector and the military?

What are your comparisons like when you compare the repetitive deployments around the globe compared to a private sector employee going home every night to his/her family?

What are your comparisons like when you factor in the fact that you can sit on your fat ass and mock the volunteers who, although they may be joining for the bennies, have assumed the responsibilities of their positions and perform their jobs with an immense amount of skill and pride that help to keep your sorry ass safe?

And yeah, I'm a veteran. A veteran who didn't join for bennies. I joined to get my sorry ass straightened out and to learn a skill, it ended up being a career because it turned into something I loved.

If you have such a damn problem with the bennies and compensation we're getting, take it up with Congress.

23 posted on 06/11/2010 6:49:56 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian

Then you are in agreement that their level of benefits is superior to that which most people get in the private sector? I never said they don’t deserve it, just that it’s disingenuous to pretend like they aren’t well compensated for their service. While some do get killed (see the link I posed earlier in the thread), the vast majority are never put in actual physical danger. The hardships of enlisting associated with foreign deployments and long hours are well known prior to enlistment.

If jobs paid by hazards then ironworkers and road crews would get more than CEO’s, but we both know that risk has nothing to do with compensation.


24 posted on 06/11/2010 6:52:01 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: USALiberty

There really does seem to be a see no evil, hear no evil syndrome going on here. I was/am hoping that someone with some cahonies will step up to the plate and take some appropriate action. However, I am not holding my breath. I believe that most of the senior officers are operating in the political mode vice serving the US. Notice folks, I said senior officers O 6 and above not lower ranks and enlisted rates. A war is required to bring out the capable officers.


25 posted on 06/11/2010 6:54:50 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Hear us when we cry to Thee for those in peril on the sea.)
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To: Dayman
$28 for $400,000 of coverage. Pretty good deal.

You ought to run down to the local recruiting office an join up. There's a war on, time to get off the sidelines and get in the game.

26 posted on 06/11/2010 6:55:04 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USALiberty
It is not the role of the Military to question the Legitimacy of the Commander in Chief. That is the role of the Congress and the Juridical...This article is asking the Military to overthrow a sitting President. If that happens our way of life is over.

Consider for a minute that your premise is wrong. Then what?


27 posted on 06/11/2010 6:57:20 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: ErnBatavia

RE: right in my little bootcamp face for the better part of a year

Wow, I’m impressed. A whole freakin’ year. < /sarcasm>


28 posted on 06/11/2010 6:58:50 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: SZonian
“What are your comparisons like when you factor in the risks involved between the private sector and the military?”

Hazardous professions such as iron workers, construction crews, electricians, etc. Here's a list of the top 20 most hazardous jobs. All of them are voluntary, and many have a higher per capita death rate then the military:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-08/the-20-most-dangerous-jobs/

“What are your comparisons like when you compare the repetitive deployments around the globe compared to a private sector employee going home every night to his/her family?”

Irrelevant. People know that's part of the deal when they volunteer for service.

“What are your comparisons like when you factor in the fact that you can sit on your fat ass and mock the volunteers who, although they may be joining for the bennies, have assumed the responsibilities of their positions and perform their jobs with an immense amount of skill and pride that help to keep your sorry ass safe?”

I haven't mocked anyone. I do like to actually look into claims made by others and sometimes they aren't what they seem. That's the case with people who claim that the enlisted men are under compensated.

I have no problem with your bennies, only with the whining that they aren't enough for people who volunteered with eyes wide open. Too many people exploit their service to the country as a means to personal enrichment, back patting, and benefits grubbing long into retirement instead of the privilege it is.

29 posted on 06/11/2010 6:59:24 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: Dayman; Jim Robinson

RE: “I have no problem with your bennies, only with the whining that they aren’t enough for people who volunteered with eyes wide open. Too many people exploit their service to the country as a means to personal enrichment, back patting, and benefits grubbing long into retirement instead of the privilege it is.”

Yeah those money grabbing military types, to hell with them < /sarcasm>

Do you wake up a dumb ass every day or is today special?


30 posted on 06/11/2010 7:04:18 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Francis McClobber

Bump to read more silly comments posted by ignoramuses later.


31 posted on 06/11/2010 7:13:22 PM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: big'ol_freeper
Exactly. Those benefits exist because no one would do the job if they didn't. And they can be a lot more meager than people imagine, depending on your grade.

And that's not even counting the people like me who cycled through without staying for retirement.

32 posted on 06/11/2010 7:13:40 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: Dayman

That and health care for you and your wife for life.


33 posted on 06/11/2010 7:15:30 PM PDT by JSteff ((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))
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To: USALiberty
Missing movement is a great way to prove a point.

Yes. That was sarcasm.

34 posted on 06/11/2010 7:18:10 PM PDT by Doohickey (I try to take my days one at a time, but occasionally several days attack me at once.)
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To: Dayman

Wasn’t there a rumor about that happening under Clinton (around the time he went to Haiti?)


35 posted on 06/11/2010 7:18:41 PM PDT by JSteff ((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))
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To: Dayman
The total value of all benefits and allowances received by military personnel is substantial compared to the private sector.

Yes the military does have some decent benefits. And yes, we did volunteer for service.

The length of your work day doesn’t matter as you volunteered for that job.

That is a pretty ignorant statement. Most people in America believe in an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. Ergo, the compensation needs to be at a level to entice workers, but still affordable to the employer. Sure the gov't "could" pay each servicemember $500,000 a year salaries, but I don't think the taxpayers would stand for it. Also, they could offer to pay everyone $10,00 a year and no medical, but no one would join. And, most folks I know in the private sector that do international travel, get paid rather well (a lot more than me) and receive rather lucrative benefits.

Yes, of course I have "free medical" that is provided primarily by unlicensed practitioners and medical suppliers that are the lowest bidder. Trust me ask most folks int the Marines about "motrin and water." Motrin and water can fix ANYTHING. Sprained ankle? Motrin and water. Amputated leg? Motrin and water. Pregnant? Motrin and water. And I'm sure you are just dying to live 3 too a room in condemed barraks that don't even reach the standards of project housing.

Say, on your day job when was the last time you encountered machinegun fire, sniper fire, mortar fire, improvised explosive devices, vehicle borne improvised explosive devices, suicide vehicle borne improvised explosive devices, land mines, rocket propelled grenade fire, hand grenades, or buildings rigged to explode?

I'd definitely love to see your private sector comparison. Also, if you could show me the pay/benefit scale for private companies that send folks to Iraq/Afghanistan for 7 months out of every year....for a total of 4 trips in 5 years. Or maybe those that send you over seas for 12 months, extend it to 15 months, and then finally extend it to 18 months. I'm pretty sure that most "private companies" with these deployment rates would be government contractors..... most of which have starting salries of $95,000 for a seven month stint; oh yeah AND an incentive to finish your entire tour.

But definitely, I'd like to see your comparison. Show me someone in the private sector that has 4 deployments to Iraq and has been wounded by terrorists (still walking around with the shrapnel), I'd like to shake their hand.

Heck, I'll even let you use a local public sector employee. Let's compare what police officers (and their unions) in major metropolitan areas make compared to the average servicememan?

About the only thing that the military folks have better is the post 9/11 GI Bill that can be transfered to a spouse or child (after 6 years minimum service).

Internet connection - $70 a month.

Laptop computer - $950

Being able to exercise your free speech and demonstrate your envy of benefits received by men better than yourself that fight for your right to do so - Priceless.

36 posted on 06/11/2010 7:19:20 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Dayman
No, I asked you to use other factors in your comparisons.

The 20 years = 48% of base pay for retirement for an E7 who retired in 2003 is about $1500 per month(state and federal taxed). Then the DV offset shaves off whatever amount of non-taxable disability pay one gets, penny for penny. There are other voluntary deductions one can make, like paying for SBP which only guarantees your surviving spouse 55% of that retirement check upon your death. The military has a way of giving and then taking away.

When I lived in military housing, my family lived in termite and roach infested homes that were, on average, over 35 years old.Though much of that is changing now.

About the only real bennies outside of my retirement check I get right now as a disabled retiree is the modest insurance premiums I pay to TRI-Care, the commissary and base exchange privileges.

The education bennies are there not only to encourage enlistment, but primarily to encourage a highly educated force. The technology the services are using today require very smart people.

The servicemember rec'd many health bennies in order to keep them healthy and ready to deploy at a moments notice. It wasn't a “bennie” in the true sense of the word, it had a purpose.

The insurance is underwritten by the military because many insurance companies will not assume the risk of writing policies for military member. Those who will, charge exorbitant fees.

Getting killed isn't the only risk. Working around hazardous equipment and chemicals on a daily basis presents ever present risks of maiming and serious injury with long term effects. (Hazardous chemicals and materials is what got me.)

Would I say they're superior to the private sector? No. The private sector has so many options available to them to entice potential employees and to retain those they want to keep. Vacation, automatic raises, bonuses, instant promotions, health insurance, etc. If an employee doesn't like their job, they can walk away. Not so in the military. The military has to get budget and approval before they can do that, and that's after they pay for their overhead (performing their primary missions).

There are those who use the military solely to satiate their lust for power and prestige. I know, I worked with and for some of them. But they are a minority when compared to the vast numbers who serve humbly and with an immense amount of pride and duty to country.

37 posted on 06/11/2010 7:20:00 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: omegadawn
the American officers are afraid of obama.

BS! The United States is not Germany in the 1930's. Our officers take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not the President (Commander in Chief). 85% of the officers despise this Fraud. Yes there are blind carreer guys, but many more Patriots.

38 posted on 06/11/2010 7:20:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

ping


39 posted on 06/11/2010 7:23:36 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: JSteff

That’s not free. Although the premiums are modest, we pay. Co-pays and deductibles are also applicable.


40 posted on 06/11/2010 7:23:43 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Nightshift

gnip


41 posted on 06/11/2010 7:24:03 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Wow, I’m impressed. A whole freakin’ year. < /sarcasm>

I certainly hope your /s tag is legit.....have you ever lived and worked with a bunch of tired old 'waiting to suckle' very senior Marines for a full year (and it was a friggin LEAP year!)?

We don't have the Guadalcanal Marine Corps anymore......far from it.

42 posted on 06/11/2010 7:27:06 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: JSteff
That and health care for you and your wife for life.

You forgot the sarcasm label.


43 posted on 06/11/2010 7:28:03 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Dayman

Who’s whining? You’re trying to compare apples to kumquats

Your making comparisons, folks are attempting to put things into context for you.

As for those hazardous professions you mentioned, those folks can WALK away at anytime. Try doing that in the middle of a firefight or turning aircraft for combat missions. Those folks volunteered for those jobs as well. Who is coerced into working in any job in this country?

The time away from home is not irrelevant. As you’re attempting to compare military benefits to civilians there are also drawbacks to doing one vs. the other.

If you honestly believe folks in the military are being “enriched” monetarily because of their service, you really are uninformed.


44 posted on 06/11/2010 7:32:02 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Williams; USALiberty
You were saying ...

IF you care so much about the Constitution then you would know that. I can’t imagine any Constitutional role for the military in this situation other than to say Yes, Sir.

I would say that over 99% of the military knows this. You might have a few here and there that may think otherwise, but pretty much all the military knows that they're not going to turn the U.S. military into a third-world military junta and do a coup... LOL ...

They have more pride than that, in their profession, and in defending this country.

45 posted on 06/11/2010 7:43:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Kleon
You were saying ...

From what I can gather, proving one is eligible involves making your original birth certificate public. Has any President done so? Could we just as easily say Bush and Clinton didn't show themselves to be eligible either?

No, there has been no President who has ever been required to show his birth certificate. It's never been a legal requirement. All that the previous Presidents of this country have ever had to do is sign legal paperwork affirming that they are qualified per the Constitution and give that to each Secretary of State for the various states and that gets them on the ballot. I also believe that the political parties also have their candidate sign legal paperwork in which the candidate affirms that he is legally qualified.

That's pretty much all that has ever been done in the past with all our Presidents.

However, it would be a good idea for the states to make it a legal requirement that any candidate must produce his birth certificate or else that state will not place the candidate on the ballot.

That's something that I've been saying (since right after the election of Obama) should be done. And there have been several states that have tried to push through legislation for that, too. I believe it's been Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri. But, I don't think any of them have succeeded in getting it passed yet. I would like to see a few states pass that legislation. Then I would like to see Obama be required to show it or not be on the ballot in those states ... LOL ...

46 posted on 06/11/2010 7:48:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: darkwing104
You were saying ...

This article is asking the Military to overthrow a sitting President. If that happens our way of life is over.

They're advocating violating the Constitution in order to save the Constitution, doncha know ... LOL ...

47 posted on 06/11/2010 7:50:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Texas Fossil

True this is not Germany, true that our officers take a oath to defend the constitution, True(probley) 85% of the officers despise obama. But at what point will the 85% of the Patriots stand up to the blind career guys and correct the injustice to the constitution and the American people.


48 posted on 06/11/2010 10:11:59 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: tumblindice

There was a underground(civilian) that fought against hitler, but most of the military did not become involved until later in the war when they realized the impending outcome of Hitler’s rule. Hilter’s “command” of the military was one of the reasons we won the war( one stupid order after another). The little corporal( world war 1 rank) didn’t have a clue ,but most officers still obeyed his orders.


49 posted on 06/11/2010 10:23:53 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: reefdiver

obama is gong to try and set a example with the Dr. so that other active duty officers will think twice about questioning his right to be President.


50 posted on 06/11/2010 10:26:38 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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