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A Decade Later, Genetic Map Yields Few New Cures
NY Times ^ | June 12, 2010 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 06/12/2010 7:33:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Ten years after President Bill Clinton announced that the first draft of the human genome was complete, medicine has yet to see any large part of the promised benefits.

For biologists, the genome has yielded one insightful surprise after another. But the primary goal of the $3 billion Human Genome Project — to ferret out the genetic roots of common diseases like cancer and Alzheimer’s and then generate treatments — remains largely elusive. Indeed, after 10 years of effort, geneticists are almost back to square one in knowing where to look for the roots of common disease.

One sign of the genome’s limited use for medicine so far was a recent test of genetic predictions for heart disease. A medical team led by Nina P. Paynter of Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston collected 101 genetic variants that had been statistically linked to heart disease in various genome-scanning studies. But the variants turned out to have no value in forecasting disease among 19,000 women who had been followed for 12 years.

The old-fashioned method of taking a family history was a better guide, Dr. Paynter reported this February in The Journal of the American Medical Association.

In announcing on June 26, 2000, that the first draft of the human genome had been achieved, Mr. Clinton said it would “revolutionize the diagnosis, prevention and treatment of most, if not all, human diseases.”

At a news conference, Francis Collins, then the director of the genome agency at the National Institutes of Health, said that genetic diagnosis of diseases would be accomplished in 10 years and that treatments would start to roll out perhaps five years after that.

“Over the longer term, perhaps in another 15 or 20 years,” he added, “you will see a complete transformation in therapeutic medicine.”

The pharmaceutical industry...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; Testing
KEYWORDS: genetics; genomics; humangenomeproject; medicine

1 posted on 06/12/2010 7:33:55 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

We be lucky to have an aspirin available in 20years with Obamacare, let alone genome-based individualized treatments.


2 posted on 06/12/2010 7:36:05 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: neverdem

Oops, looks like the consensus was wrong agitation.


3 posted on 06/12/2010 7:41:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Gapplega

What they hyped up...was their business enterprise. Investment went up and they keep chatting about anticipated results. I’m guessing that they may never show great results...but it really took alot of Government money to prove that.


4 posted on 06/12/2010 7:43:08 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: neverdem

lies, damn lies, statistics, genome.


5 posted on 06/12/2010 7:46:47 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Gapplega

Epigenetics is the study of environmental influences on gene expression. For instance: high saturated fat diets switch on gene expression responses. We don’t need to change our genes. We need to change our diets.


6 posted on 06/12/2010 7:47:07 PM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.com)
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To: kruss3

It’s so very complicated. Once you change one factor, (high fat diet) there are twelve unanticipated consequences. They’re not always good. Moderation is the key.


7 posted on 06/12/2010 7:52:12 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: neverdem

Actually I’m not accepting this report as valid, based on the facts in this response. I suffer from a variety of Leukemia that results from a defective chromosome called the Philadelphia Chromosome. This bad chromosome results when a chain of dna breaks and rejoins in an inappropriate manner. The treatment of choice is a cyto drug called Gleevec. It has only been widely accepted and approved for the last 5 to 6 years. However, those in the prior trials have had a muchj improved success rate than prior treatments. Now I understand there are other cyto drugs that have come into play.

Would the drugs be successful if there had been no genetic decoding? Maybe, but I’d bet that they would have taken much longer to develop. Merely understanding the genetic code gives researchers much more insight into just how they can target specific treatments.

My Leukemia is the same version that killed my mother in 1981. It is quite aggressive. She went from diagnosis to death in just under 10 months.


8 posted on 06/12/2010 7:56:40 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The mighty zero, obama,does not warrant the respect necessary for his name to be capitalized.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

I like to think you’re right, it has speeded things up.

The very best to you.


9 posted on 06/12/2010 8:09:27 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Women are natural socialists, since the 19th passed the US has been drifting Liberal)
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To: Real Cynic No More

I have the same version of leukemia; Geevec is in a fact a lifesaver for me. Actually, though, it was approved in 2001 following clinical trials that began in 1995. The story began even further back in the 1960’s, as one research fact lead to another, and another breakthrough.

I have no idea if the lessons learned with this form of leukemia can be applied elsewhere. I do know that at 58 I faced a diagnosis that, 15 years ago, was a death sentence.


10 posted on 06/12/2010 8:36:28 PM PDT by Dark Fired Tobacco
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To: neverdem

This is an interesting article and no surprise to the few of us that understand that the chromosomes are simply the list of ingredients in the cookbook, and do not contain the actual instructions for “baking a cell”, which would contain far more information than contained in the chromosomes if such instructions even existed (which they don’t).

What the press, most people, and even most scientists don’t realize is that the bulk of inheritable material received by a newly conceived multi-cell organism (or a single-cell animal created by binary fission) is not the genetic material itself, but the “other stuff” in the cell. The genetic material itself is little more than CNC-like instructions for stringing together amino acids to make various proteins. The “other stuff” is the actual factory for processing the instructions, and this other stuff is far more complex and contains far more information than the genetic material itself.

Furthermore, the DNA does not encode the structure of this factory. The factory structure is self-encoding, just like an Itanium CPU chip self-encodes. (By the way, saying something is self-encoding is just a fancy way of saying “it is what it is”, or simply that “it exists”.) However, unlike the Itanium CPU chip, there are available to us no external “plans” for this factory that tells us how to build one. Decoding the DNA is a relatively simple task, just as is the reverse engineering of binary computer code to figure out what it does. However, there is no “code” to reverse disassemble to determine the structure and function of the cellular factory. This can occur only by tinkering with it one brick and one screw at a time, and represents a task that is thousands of times more difficult than decoding the DNA.

(Note that the only way a new cell receives its new factory is by direct transfer of parts of the old factory, sort of like when you cut an earthworm in half, and each half grows into a whole new earthworm. Or, again using the CPU chip analogy, such replication would be akin to a CPU chip having the ability to grow into two complete CPU chips if the original one was split in half.

Also note that with humans, the male sperm contributes nothing but a set of chromosomes, whereas the mother’s egg provides the complete pattern for the cellular factories in the new human’s cells. Therefore, the mother contributes vastly more information to the new human than does the father. Fundamentally, we are all patterned after our mother in a much deeper fashion than we are patterned after our father.

As a further aside, the cellular factory and its DNA would have had to have been designed together from the very start, and neither one could have been made independently of the other, no more than it would be possible to independently invent the machine code used by an Itanium processor and the processor chip itself, though these two products contain infinitesimally less information than a living cellular factory and its genetic material.)


11 posted on 06/12/2010 8:37:48 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: neverdem
A part of Eisenhower's "Military/Industrial Complex" speech you'll never hear an anti-military/statist quoat:

"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite."

I'm not for a minute saying that I've concluded genome research is without merit, but I am saying uncritical acceptance of the scientific establishment as a wise and disinterested entity is foolishness. They need to be given the same scrutiny visited upon any other public entity.

12 posted on 06/12/2010 9:38:49 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
New Experiments Rattle Space Weather Research

Better Rice Through Fungi

Dorland's Medical Dictionary courtesy of Merck

Primary and Secondary Prevention of Cardiovascular Diseases: A Practical Evidence-Based Approach

Some excerpts about statins:

The effectiveness of statin therapy for improving the prognosis of patients with CHD is supported by more long-term, high-quality, randomized controlled trial data than is the effectiveness of virtually any other CV treatment.

In contrast, the CV benefits of statins appear quickly, within days to a few weeks after initiation of therapy, possibly owing to their anti-inflammatory properties and ability to stabilize plaque and improve endothelial function.

Vitamin D deficiency is present in approximately 90% of persons who report symptoms of myalgias while receiving statin therapy.135 In a nonrandomized series from our Preventive Cardiology Clinic at the Mid America Heart Institute, about 80% of such patients can be successfully maintained on a statin when their vitamin D level is normalized via a vitamin D supplement.

IMHO, the last link is an excellent review article, even if it seems too long. It also includes informative sections about diabetes and obesity. Don't forget the reference for abbreviations just after the abstract. Save Dorland's Medical Dictionary link to your favorites.

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

13 posted on 06/13/2010 11:49:24 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Surprise, surprise, surprise. My family has been raising money to fight Huntington's Disease for years. It's amazing how the next cure is just 5 years around the corner. It's always five years.

The truth is it's all a rabbit chase. I am totally disenchanted with traditional medicine. They cut, born and poison cancer patients only to have them die anyway. I do not believe traditional medicine will ever cure cancer. There is no incentive to do so.

14 posted on 06/13/2010 12:33:10 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: neverdem

.....The effectiveness of statin therapy for improving the prognosis of patients with CHD is supported by more long-term, high-quality, randomized controlled trial data than is the effectiveness of virtually any other CV treatment. ......

Having read tons of your posts, this one is without doubt the best. One can pretty well accept the mayo clinic as an authority to not question. The piece is quite long but extremely meaty. It requires an article tab and a Wickipedia tab to read the known but disremembered terminology.

The article is definitely a reference keeper.

We are sir......indebted for your service to our group.


15 posted on 06/13/2010 1:31:25 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: neverdem; Coleus; martin_fierro; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks neverdem. Not sure this is a working link, but this is one of my faves from the files:
Scientist Reveals Genome Secret: It's Him

Scientist Reveals Genome Secret: It's Him
by Nicholas Wade
April 27, 2002
When scientists at Celera Genomics announced two years ago that they had decoded the human genome, they said the genetic data came from anonymous donors and presented it as a universal human map. But the scientist who led the effort, Dr. J. Craig Venter, now says that the genome decoded was largely his own. Dr. Venter also says that he started taking fat-lowering drugs after analyzing his genes... [M]embers of Celera's scientific advisory board expressed disappointment that Dr. Venter subverted the anonymous selection process that they had approved... Though the five individuals who contributed to Celera's genome are marked by separate codes, Dr. Venter's is recognizable as the largest contribution. He said he had inherited from one parent the variant gene known as apoE4, which is associated with abnormal fat metabolism and the risk of Alzheimer's, and that he was taking fat-lowering drugs to counteract its effects... Dr. Arthur Caplan, a biomedical ethicist at the University of Pennsylvania, said, "Any genome intended to be a landmark should be kept anonymous. It should be a map of all us, not of one, and I am disappointed if it is linked to a person."
Other folks get fired for surfin' the web at work. A little later Venter was forced out as president of Celera.
16 posted on 06/13/2010 4:04:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: bert
You're welcome. Sometimes I'm afraid of going over too many heads with overly technical stuff, but the link with vitamin D deficiency and myalgia, myopathy, etc. due to statin therapy really grabbed me, in addition to the rest of the review.

I stumbled into the article by searching vitamin D and myocardial infarction(MI) at PubMed. A vitamin D infomercial with John Cannell, MD mentioned that part of current MI treatment is 100,000 units of vitamin D. I still haven't found it in the literature. Maybe it's an ongoing clinical trial.

17 posted on 06/13/2010 6:18:36 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping neverdem.

We have had 2 consecutive days of the Sun here on the Oregon coast.

Nothing like the real thing.
We got a bit red but that heat and V-D was soooo therapudic.

All it took was 10min sessions of baste-ting.

Book marked for later read.
BTW I have controlled BG for years with diet/exercise and the last few months I got ill with horrible community viruses.

My BG went wild. Talk about a jealous devil.

Even uric acid levels went up enough to cause some got.

Was it the potency of the virus/flu or just a reaction to the stress on my body.

Any thoughts?


18 posted on 06/13/2010 6:39:07 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

God help you.

When one has a life threatning/immediate illness such as yourself ya do pharma and what ever else to get through it alive.

Hope two decades has made break through so you can survive.

Best wishes/prayers.


19 posted on 06/13/2010 6:44:32 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: Dark Fired Tobacco

Well that is good news.


20 posted on 06/13/2010 6:46:10 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I have bouts of gout now and then.

I have successfully treated it with pure Black Cherry juice/Ibu/rest and fasting from the inducers for the last few years.

Used to go to the Doc and be injected with pharma. Took three days to feel better.

Now it takes the same amount of time


21 posted on 06/13/2010 6:50:58 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: neverdem

and having ones thyroid removed can reek havic on the system.

Yes that lil pharma pill taken daily has kept me here but the whole slue of other physical issues have been hell but I keep my spirits up.

To make it simple in analogy its like messing up the bodies carburator.

Lifestyle diet/excercise is a key factor to feeling well.

However my human nature does interfere now and then.

And as others say Moderation is a key.

This time of year (March-June) is tough as the lack of vegetables make for poor eating habits to creep in.

I know this but seem to repeat stupid choices once a year untill I feel ill and snap back to the diet that makes me feel well.


22 posted on 06/13/2010 6:58:58 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: Global2010

I can write a book.


23 posted on 06/13/2010 7:05:31 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

On home cures or the missing thyroid gland.


24 posted on 06/13/2010 7:16:17 PM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: neverdem

Please remove me from your list. Thanks.


25 posted on 06/13/2010 9:06:13 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Global2010
LOL. Home cures as I know next to nothing about missing thyroids except it happened to my sisters. As a result, she developed Grave's Disease with resulting bulging eyes which necessitated surgery to enlarge her eye sockets. It was quite the ordeal.

Was there another way? I have no idea.

26 posted on 06/14/2010 5:01:12 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

It is the fatty tissue that grows behind the eyeball.

In severe cases surgery does need to be done.

My eyes took a year to recede and one still bulges when I am really tired or stressed.


27 posted on 06/14/2010 7:49:26 AM PDT by Global2010 ( I can't wait untill Lent comes in 2011.)
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To: itsahoot

ping


28 posted on 06/14/2010 10:45:46 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping (post #13), the last link and the excerpts. Very interesting/comprehensive article.


29 posted on 06/15/2010 7:32:27 AM PDT by PGalt
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