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Boom's a Bust as Oil Spill Seeps into Perdido Pass
Alabama Live ^ | 6/10/2010 | Ryan Dezember

Posted on 06/12/2010 7:53:15 PM PDT by Qbert

ORANGE BEACH, Ala. -- Extensive measures aimed at keeping the Gulf spill from penetrating Perdido Pass failed their first test early Wednesday as globs of hazardous oil rode a rising morning tide through the inlet and settled on beaches, bulkheads and grass beds in the city's inland water bodies.

"I'm mad," Orange Beach Mayor Tony Kennon told about 500 of his constituents during a midday public forum. "I'm absolutely sick to my stomach."

As slicks approached the pass overnight, city officials said they asked that heavy-duty boom strung across much of the pass be used to close off the inlet completely but were rebuffed by the U.S. Coast Guard. By midday the tide had reversed and oil-splotched water coursed back out of the basin toward the open Gulf and awaiting skimmer boats.

But the damage had been done.

Thick, sticky oil coated the brick-covered southern edge of Boggy Point, a stubby peninsula at the confluence of Cotton Bayou, Old River and Terry Cove that hosts a public boat launch. Neon boom that wrapped the basin's islands and sensitive submerged grass beds was stained the color of chocolate.

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"There goes my flounder fishing," said Bob Wilson Jr., who lives in the Bear Point neighborhood adjacent to the private waterfront. Wilson said he first spotted the oil at about 10:30 a.m., and though he called the sighting into the Unified Command in Mobile, no one had been by for so much as a look four hours later.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.al.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coastguard; gulf; obama; oilspill
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...No worries, though. I'm sure the "Smartest Man to ever occupy the Oval Office" is diligently working away at a new plan that will solve the problem. (/Sarc)
1 posted on 06/12/2010 7:53:16 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Coast Guard stops guarding coast? Unbelievable.


2 posted on 06/12/2010 7:54:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Qbert

Not to make excuses for Obama, but what is he supposed to do? There is no solution to this. It won’t be solved until they get those relief wells finished, which will be a couple more months.


3 posted on 06/12/2010 7:57:16 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Qbert

There goes everything, Bob, including Flounder fishing, not to mention your property value.


4 posted on 06/12/2010 7:59:02 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: Qbert
They all ought to be ringing up the Whitehouse, demanding to speak to the a-hole who said he was in charge, and was taking responsibility for it.


5 posted on 06/12/2010 8:00:28 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Yardstick
Not to make excuses for Obama, but what is he supposed to do?

The exact opposite of everything he has done.

6 posted on 06/12/2010 8:00:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Yardstick

he was supposed to accept the help from the international community (could waive Jones Act) and the different people who have tried to bring experts in.

he has dragged his feet in order to shut down Houston oil (not in his pocket) and to punish England.

IMO he is not only a narcissist but also a psychopath who will destroy everyone and everything which doesn’t bow down to him. His dark side is showing more and more everyday.


7 posted on 06/12/2010 8:02:18 PM PDT by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: Gapplega

If the Obama administration is keeping reporters out of the main spill area, what we see now coming ashore must be just the tip of the iceberg.


8 posted on 06/12/2010 8:02:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Yardstick

the first thing he should have done is get more involved in a leadership position from day 1. He can look to Giuliani in NYC or Bush nationally on the day of 9/11. This was a situation that needed a leader and he missed the opportunity.

Second, he took on the position after the fact as ‘the man’ in charge, and stated he had been since day 1. In that instance he now owns the failure. There are things that could have been done earlier both to help stop the leak and also to prepare for the cleanup and prevent damage. He and fedgov have been slow to non-existent, outside of the Coast Guard doing their duty.


9 posted on 06/12/2010 8:02:42 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: justa-hairyape

SUSPEND JONES ACT ... MM MM MMM


10 posted on 06/12/2010 8:03:11 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (FR - my online family. From Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)
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To: Qbert
This gusher sure has called into question the dirtworshipers claim that we are about to run out of oil.
11 posted on 06/12/2010 8:04:18 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Yardstick

>> Not to make excuses for Obama, but what is he supposed to do? There is no solution to this.

Is or was?

As far as I’m concerned, ideas and solutions were neglected.


12 posted on 06/12/2010 8:04:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Really? So if he had done the exact opposite of what he has done, the leak would be fixed and there would be no oil headed towards the beaches?

Here’s how you can gauge the seriousness of those who are blaming Obama: Do they have a solution to offer? If not, then they’re just making political hay.


13 posted on 06/12/2010 8:05:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

“Not to make excuses for Obama, but what is he supposed to do? There is no solution to this. It won’t be solved until they get those relief wells finished, which will be a couple more months.”

My understanding is that there have been a number of suggestions based upon methods that were successful in largely cleaning up other massive oil spills, and the administration for whatever reason has not implemented these. (There are two separate pieces to this- the leak itself and the continuing spread of the oil.)

For example:
http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m6d5-Why-do-Obama-BP-refuse-to-use-most-effective-method-of-oil-cleanup


14 posted on 06/12/2010 8:08:28 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: justa-hairyape

I think you’re right. It’s just a disaster. I feel so bad for all those people on the gulf, including “Bob and his flounder fishing”.


15 posted on 06/12/2010 8:09:04 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: Yardstick
They should have had boats with booms and skimmers out there for the last 4 weeks!

This catastrophe is nothing but a mere inconvenience for dingle Barry, the Kenyan Asshat Usurper.

16 posted on 06/12/2010 8:09:15 PM PDT by Bankroller
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To: Yardstick
If he did the opposite, he would have not lifted regulatory restrictions which allowed BP to drill there in the first place. IE - No drilling means no leak. He lifted the regs as a political favor to BP which is in bed with Obama over cap and trade (corrupt Chicago connections).
17 posted on 06/12/2010 8:11:15 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Yardstick
Bring in the boom from the north east (several miles available now). Bring in the oil skimmers from Holland. Bring in the super tankers from Saudi Arabia. All of the solutions can be done now to mitigate oil damage to the shore areas.

As for the leak, hurry up the secondary recovery vessel. Hurry up the wells to plug the leaking well.

18 posted on 06/12/2010 8:12:42 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: LOC1
It's likely as not they've long known all that would be pissing on a forrest fire.

The column is cracked all the way down and seeps are flowing up at an ever increasing rate in a 20 mile radius.

Pressures up to 70,000 psi could be involved.

19 posted on 06/12/2010 8:18:50 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: LOC1
In a recent interview with Palin, someone who has lots of suggestions and actual practical experience in this area, she pointed out that the US emergency response plan for a major spill in the Gulf of Mexico was horribly negligent. Palin stated that it appeared that the feds had just copied what she helped put together in Alaska concerning spills and haphazardly applied them to the Gulf. She stated that the emergency plan even mentioned specific animals not found in the Gulf. Animals which happened to all be found in Alaska. Perhaps she can do for DC what she did for Alaska. Cleanup the oil corruption and stop the palm greasing.
20 posted on 06/12/2010 8:20:42 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Yardstick

In the beginning he should have met ASAP with the heads of BP and the governors of the states that would likely be affected. Those meetings would have given him some ideas of things he could do to help and he would have had input he needed to formulate a plan to at least mitigate damages to the coast. He should NOT have put all the oil rig workers in the gulf out of work, there had to a better way to handle that.

At the very least had he met with the people dealing with the issues it would have looked like he cared and was trying to do something. He is supposed to be the leader of this country- it would be nice if he could show some leadership. He looks like a total incompetent playing golf, partying, and making smart alec remarks while this disaster is going on.


21 posted on 06/12/2010 8:20:54 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: LOC1

He needs to go to the UN and ask for every nation’s help to deal with this. It might be the FIRST time the UN ever accomplished anything good. Of course, he won’t do that, he’s the ultimate ......... (would get me banned.)


22 posted on 06/12/2010 8:21:10 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: bareford101

Bring the Norwegians in. They were called by the Russians to try to save the Kursk crew. They know the sea. No diver’s going down to 5,000 feet. If somebody can fix it, let em fix it.


23 posted on 06/12/2010 8:21:43 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: norraad
The column is cracked all the way down and seeps are flowing up at an ever increasing rate in a 20 mile radius.

Then they need to "drill baby drill" in the area to stop the oil. Seep reduction is a well established fact in oil producing areas.
24 posted on 06/12/2010 8:23:30 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Qbert

I have a feeling that Gulf oil, which is a heavy crude that’s full of waxy/tarry fractions that are heavier than water, wouldn’t be skimmable the way “light, sweet” Saudi crude is. This stuff is floating in as massive underwater clouds. I don’t even know if the booms can do much of anything.


25 posted on 06/12/2010 8:24:05 PM PDT by Yardstick
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...city officials said they asked that heavy-duty boom strung across much of the pass be used to close off the inlet completely but were rebuffed by the U.S. Coast Guard...

The Federal government is exercising crisis manipulation. To bad the state of Alabama don't have the resources to set up their own boom and tell the Federals to take a hike.

26 posted on 06/12/2010 8:25:15 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: PA Engineer
This is very different than anything previous.
27 posted on 06/12/2010 8:28:05 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Yardstick
...what is he supposed to do?

Anything would have beat nothing but blaming others...which is what he has done...as usual.

28 posted on 06/12/2010 8:31:05 PM PDT by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: Yardstick

Actually, this is 40 deg API LLS crude, which is lighter than Saudi Light and lower in sulfur.


29 posted on 06/12/2010 8:40:37 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: Yardstick
Thought I read that they were also hitting it with dispersant's about half way up the water column ?
30 posted on 06/12/2010 8:44:37 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Yardstick
What's he suppose to do....STOP throwing or going to a damn party every night and at least get your sorry arse down there and man up..do your freakin’ real job! Instead of meeting with terrorist such as Hamas and handing them our money get some of these small business’s that have solutions down there and try anything at this point! It's like someone didn't tell this guy that he just might have to work if he got this gig!
31 posted on 06/12/2010 8:44:42 PM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Frantzie

excellent reminder!! thank you!


32 posted on 06/12/2010 8:44:59 PM PDT by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: LOC1

Is the oil coming out at a temperature of 40 Degrees Fahrenheit ?


33 posted on 06/12/2010 8:46:15 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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Actually, this is 40 deg API LLS crude, which is lighter than Saudi Light and lower in sulfur.

Oh, so the proverbial, " we can't use the tanker method because the crude is so much *heavier* than the Saudi crude" excuse is basically, - bogus...?

Well, well, well...

34 posted on 06/12/2010 8:48:39 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Yardstick

“I have a feeling that Gulf oil, which is a heavy crude that’s full of waxy/tarry fractions that are heavier than water, wouldn’t be skimmable the way “light, sweet” Saudi crude is. This stuff is floating in as massive underwater clouds. I don’t even know if the booms can do much of anything.”

First, we can’t know whether the booms would’ve been more of success if they were implemented much earlier, and we used the full amount available, because that option wasn’t chosen. Second, I would think that an honest attempt at skimming using previous methods, even if it was unsuccessful would be better than simply assuming that it will not work. Even failures can reveal possible solutions.

And at any rate, there is a new skimming technique- finally- being utilized by the Coast Guard which may have some success:

http://blog.al.com/live//print.html


35 posted on 06/12/2010 8:52:48 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: justa-hairyape
Is the oil coming out at a temperature of 40 Degrees Fahrenheit ?

It's probably much, much warmer -- since it's coming from 17,000 ft under the sea floor.

36 posted on 06/12/2010 8:53:16 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

It would only be warmer then the deep sea ocean temp (near freezing) if the oil was located closer to a significant section of magma. If the oil is located close to significant magma, why would anyone suggest using a nuke down there ?


37 posted on 06/12/2010 8:56:11 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Cyropaedia

“Actually, this is 40 deg API LLS crude, which is lighter than Saudi Light and lower in sulfur.
Oh, so the proverbial, “ we can’t use the tanker method because the crude is so much *heavier* than the Saudi crude” excuse is basically, - bogus...?

Well, well, well...”

If that’s the case, then what in the Sam Hell are these buffoons doing?


38 posted on 06/12/2010 8:58:58 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert
If that’s the case, then what in the Sam Hell are these buffoons doing?

You know Barry: - it's time to the throw the entire Gulf coast under the bus.

39 posted on 06/12/2010 9:02:36 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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Actually, this is 40 deg API LLS crude, which is lighter than Saudi Light and lower in sulfur.

Really? That's news to me.

40 posted on 06/12/2010 9:03:52 PM PDT by Yardstick
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It would only be warmer then the deep sea ocean temp (near freezing) if the oil was located closer to a significant section of magma.

If I'm not mistaken, deep wells (and 17,000 thru the crust is deep) have to use specially treated pipe in the drill stem because of the high heat that is encountered.

E.g., see this on the Homestake Mine.

The temperature of the rock at the bottom of the mine (8,000 ft) is 135 degrees F.

41 posted on 06/12/2010 9:06:27 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: LOC1

Is 40 deg API LLS crude the lighter crude known as “Louisiana sweet crude”?

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/gulf_of_mexico_oil_spill_could.html

If so, what’s coming out of this well is different stuff. It seems to be heavier “asphaltene crude”.


42 posted on 06/12/2010 9:10:34 PM PDT by Yardstick
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but were rebuffed by the U.S. Coast Guard.

Big Government has been making this worse from Day One.

43 posted on 06/12/2010 9:11:48 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Women are natural socialists, since the 19th passed the US has been drifting Liberal)
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To: okie01
Probably all depends on how close you are to a magma column. For example, Yellowstone can get quite hot just a few feet down. Anyone have a map showing exactly where this leak is located in the Gulf of Mexico ? All I see on the surface water temp map is a strange oblong extension of colder then normal water extending out from the mid coast of Texas.


44 posted on 06/12/2010 9:18:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Qbert

It’s just like Obama takin us all on the “Road To Perdition!” (same base word meaning... DEAD END)


45 posted on 06/12/2010 9:20:11 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Contempt of Congress" used to be a minor crime. Now it's a badge of honor!!!)
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To: justa-hairyape

40 degrees refers to the “specific gravity” of the oil, which is a measure of its density. There’s a good chart here if you scroll down some:

http://www.gcmwenergy.com/crude-oil-basics/

It looks like the oil coming out of this well might be heavier than 40 degrees though.


46 posted on 06/12/2010 9:25:20 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Still confused. Excerpt from your link.

The U.S. National Bureau of Standards established the Baumé scale (degrees Baumé) as the standard for measuring specific gravity, or density of liquids less dense than water. API gravity, is a measure of how heavy or light a petroleum liquid is compared to water.

Not density. Weight as compared to the heavier weight of water. Density is varied by temperature. Weight is not. We still do not know the temperature of the oil. If it is very low, then its weight would be a more accurate metric. Not its volume at an undefined temperature.

47 posted on 06/12/2010 9:38:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: norraad
This is very different than anything previous.

I understand and suspect that the abiotic oil theory will be tragically proven.

I do not see any other longterm solution, but to begin a massive drilling program to relieve the pressures encountered with this exploratory well. It is not an immediate solution. There is no immediate solution short of mitigation of the worst effects.

This includes an immediate revoking of the Jones Act, Booms, Skimmers and other interventions. Included in these actions is the suspension of the Federal Jurisdictions regarding the effected coastal states. This would give the coastal states authority over federal resources and decision making. I see this as the only logical long term solution.

I pray that the hurricane seasons are mild during the next couple of years.

Do you have any other solutions I have missed?
48 posted on 06/12/2010 9:45:11 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Yardstick

“It looks like the oil coming out of this well might be heavier than 40 degrees though.”

Where is your support for this, other than what it “looks like”?


49 posted on 06/12/2010 9:46:53 PM PDT by Qbert
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To: justa-hairyape

The oil’s temperature will be the same as the surrounding water. If you know the temperature of the ocean water, you know the temperature of the oil.

The oil’s weight will not vary with temperature.

Its density relative to water is the best measure of whether it will sink or float. Assuming the oil and water are at the same temperature, which they are, then the relative gravity will tell you that.


50 posted on 06/12/2010 9:49:24 PM PDT by Yardstick
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