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PayPal.com Targets Conservative Blog as 'Hate' Site
spectator.org ^ | 6/12/10 | Robert Stacy McCain

Posted on 06/12/2010 11:03:08 PM PDT by Nachum

Conservative blogger Pamela Geller says she has been threatened with discontinuation of her online payment account by PayPal, the most widely used service of its kind.

On her popular Web site, Atlas Shrugs, Geller posted the text of an e-mail notice she received Saturday morning from PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy Department.

"[A]fter a recent review of your account, it has been determined that you are currently in violation of PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy," the PayPal e-mail said. "Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments for items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blog; conservative; paypalcom; targets
She will fight this. She's a very tough lady.
1 posted on 06/12/2010 11:03:09 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
PayPal has already dumped ALL liberals sites for violating their "acceptable use policy", right?

I didn't think so.

2 posted on 06/12/2010 11:12:55 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Bush made me do it!" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Nachum

Why bother fighting Paypal? Who needs these scumbags? Why enrich those who support policies that are extremely diverse from your own?


3 posted on 06/12/2010 11:15:43 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee
dropped pay pal a while back, and bought a pre paid visa card from wal mart cost $3.00 to load up to 500.00 on it, and can be re loaded for a small fee any time.. figured a pre paid one would not mess up a regular one in case something went awry like some one stealing my account number, they could only get what I had in there. and it is usually not too much..I add to it when I am going to purchse something
4 posted on 06/12/2010 11:40:12 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: Nachum

Just clicked on the PayPal link on her site and it took me to the payment section. Did not carry through with the payment so can’t be sure if it would go through.

Maybe someone else wants to part with $5 to see if it works all the way through.


5 posted on 06/12/2010 11:41:33 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: JoanneSD

Very good way to go. Very smart.


6 posted on 06/12/2010 11:42:20 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Nachum

All should cancel and/or discontinue using the pp service


7 posted on 06/12/2010 11:42:36 PM PDT by Hunterb
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To: JoanneSD

Same thing here, keeps things nice and neat. I know several folks who have online stores who despise Paypal, not sure why (it’s not over this specific issue).


8 posted on 06/12/2010 11:45:33 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: JoanneSD

Spot on. Don’t give them anything more than you can afford to lose. I eliminated Paypal years ago when they kept pushing for direct link to my checking account or other charge accounts.


9 posted on 06/12/2010 11:45:39 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Hunterb

I don’t understand why anyone needs Paypal. If you have a charge account... use it... why go through a third party?


10 posted on 06/12/2010 11:47:04 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Paypal is awkward to work with, and takes a relatively large fee for transactions. They’ve never screwed up my account, though, and I’ve had it for over five years.


11 posted on 06/12/2010 11:48:25 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball
takes a relatively large fee for transactions

I believe this is the reason a woman I know stopped using it for her business.

I stopped because it was a pain in the butt to figure out beyond the most basic transaction.

12 posted on 06/12/2010 11:50:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: antceecee

Paypal is the most common way to pay for things on eBay. You do NOT want to give your CC to a seller on eBay. That’s probably where they get the majority of their business.


13 posted on 06/12/2010 11:51:33 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: antceecee

I use paypal for some craigslist purchases... let them know in advance I will not do cash. just send the payment from my phone, and they verify from their phone. I could just conceal carry, but I live in california and I’m not a senator. No longer use it for anything else though.


14 posted on 06/12/2010 11:53:29 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: Darkwolf377
I stopped because it was a pain in the butt to figure out beyond the most basic transaction.

That's what I meant when I said it was awkward to work with. PITA, but my daughter collects old dolls, and eBay is the only place to buy some of them for a reasonable price, so I keep the account strictly for eBay purchases for her.

15 posted on 06/12/2010 11:53:56 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Nachum

June 10, 2010

Online retailers claim in a federal class action that PayPal closed their accounts and held onto their money for six months, offering only the vague and unfounded excuse of suspicious account activity.

Lead plaintiff Moises Zepeda says he logged onto his PayPal account, which he uses for his business selling gift cards through eBay, and found a notification telling him his access had been limited.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/10/27970.htm

In March 2010, Paypal froze donations to Cryptome, seizing over $5300 of in-transit donations. PayPal refused to inform Cryptome of the reason for this action, claiming that to disclose why the donations had been confiscated would violate Cryptome’s own privacy. A week later, PayPal offered an apology, which was rejected by Cryptome founder John Young as “insulting and unacceptable”.

In March 2004, PayPal and New York state’s Attorney General, Eliot Spitzer, came to an agreement to require PayPal to disclose clients’ rights and liabilities more accurately and to pay $150,000 to the state of New York for penalties and the costs of the investigation.

Founder

Elon Musk
Max Levchin
Peter Thiel
Luke Nosek
Ken Howery

On October 3, 2002, PayPal became a wholly owned subsidiary of eBay


16 posted on 06/13/2010 12:01:26 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: antceecee
"I don’t understand why anyone needs Paypal. If you have a charge account... use it... why go through a third party?"

eBay...

It allows folks to sell on ebay and receive money quickly without having to set up a credit card system.And even with the credit card system it can take several days to actually get your money.

Paypal payments are available as soon as you customer hits the payment button.

Further The majority of folks on Ebay take Paypal and many ONLY take Paypal.

Another nice bit is a Paypal Debit Card gets you a 1% Cash Back on just about every purchase you make. (people who have the older Debit accounts like me get 1.5% Cashback)

So Paypal does have its positive side but they are a bear to deal with if you run afoul of any of their policies.

17 posted on 06/13/2010 12:02:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: JoanneSD
bought a pre paid visa card from wal mart

That's interesting. What company produces the card? Any problems using it?

18 posted on 06/13/2010 1:16:18 AM PDT by TChad
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To: Nachum

You can get banned from the eBay message boards for the smallest “offense” against political correctness, while liberals have the run of the field. The standard moderator on ebay is a lesbian from Palo Alto.

I will NEVER use ebay/paypal again. Doing so is enabling the worst of the worst. Somewhere along the line, conservatives have to fight the worst offenders, and ebay is one.


19 posted on 06/13/2010 1:53:38 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Mad Dawgg
So Paypal does have its positive side but they are a bear to deal with if you run afoul of any of their policies.

Paypal has its good side, but like many webcentered businesses they're a pushover for whatever political activists that have the upper hand. They should be a bit careful, though - they are used by quite a few folks that might earn them more than just a bit of lost business.

Here's a couple of the less harmful examples. There's a gazillion like them and worse. One of these guys had some fifteen minutes of internet fame as "The Skunk".

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20 posted on 06/13/2010 3:15:56 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Richard Kimball

eBay owns Paypal. They bought Paypal from Elon Musk some years ago.


21 posted on 06/13/2010 3:57:37 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: JoanneSD

“dropped pay pal a while back, and bought a pre paid visa card from wal mart cost $3.00 to load up to 500.00 on it, and can be re loaded for a small fee any time.. figured a pre paid one would not mess up a regular one in case something went awry like some one stealing my account number, they could only get what I had in there. and it is usually not too much..I add to it when I am going to purchse something”

The heck with that. I just use my Visa credit card and check it every few days. If someone does get it, then Visa is hit for nearly all the damages. I buy a lot of stuff on line, and was only hit once, and that store even knew enough to contact me prior to processing - so it never got charged. At worst, I get a new card if that does happen, and have to change a half-dozen auto-pays. Seems to work great so far.

I’m much more worried about writing checks or using a debit card (which I won’t) since that gives people direct access my checking account.


22 posted on 06/13/2010 4:21:03 AM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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To: JoanneSD

I see the point about Ebay - We used them once to buy something electronic - it was defective. Never trusted them again...so I don’t have that issue to deal with.


23 posted on 06/13/2010 4:25:58 AM PDT by BobL (The whole point of being human is knowing when the party's over.)
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To: Nachum

This reminds me of something I’ve been meaning to inquire about...my company uses Cymphonix for content filtering, bandwidth management, etc. When I have the appropriate time to view FR while on their network, although I can view/read the threads/posts, when I try to do a search or post something of my own, it gets blocked and the reason that shows up on the blocked screen is something like: “racist/hate speech content.” Anyone else experience something like this? I’ve gone to our IT guy and told him about this block and have stated emphatically to him that there’s nothing racist/hateful about the speech on this site.


24 posted on 06/13/2010 4:41:20 AM PDT by nfldgirl (Tim Tebow=our real life (Francine Rivers' Redeeming Love...) Michael!)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Further The majority of folks on Ebay take Paypal and many ONLY take Paypal.

Ebay only LETS sellers accept PayPal (which ebay owns) or "ProPay."

The last time I sold a piece of antique amateur radio equipment on ebay, I listed in the ad that I accepted PayPal or Postal Money Orders only. Ebay pulled my ad saying all transactions had to be through PayPal or "ProPay."

At that point I re-listed the equipment with "PayPal only" and it sold quickly.

Then, PayPal notified me that my transaction was "suspicious" and notified me it was holding MY MONEY until the buyer of the equipment "approved" the transaction and acknowledged they received what they paid for.

I got on the phone with PayPal and argued my way up their "management chain" and after several hours had MY MONEY released that night, which I promptly transferred to my bank account.

The buyer "approved" the transaction several days later telling PayPal the item was "better than described."

At the time ebay and PayPal pulled this crap on me, I had a 100% user rating and more than 100 successful transactions as a seller. After this experience, both eBay and PayPal can kiss my ass. I stopped doing business with them, period. I no longer have a credit card or bank account linked to them, and I've removed all my personal information from both ebay and paypal.

25 posted on 06/13/2010 4:57:38 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Darkwolf377

“I know several folks who have online stores who despise Paypal, not sure why (it’s not over this specific issue).”

One of the numerous reasons: If you are a merchant and a buyer files a complaint, PayPal will freeze the money in your account until the issue is settled, regardless of how ridiculous the complaint may be.


26 posted on 06/13/2010 5:32:20 AM PDT by RouxStir (No peein' allowed in the gene pool.)
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea

I keep Paypal but rarely use it.


27 posted on 06/13/2010 5:39:55 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: usconservative

I’ve bought on ebay a ton, but finally needed to sell something. The jerk hasn’t given me feedback yet, so ebay’s holding over $125 for over a week now. Their policy is really vague. I saw once that they said 3 days after delivery they’d release. Now it says 10 days. Blah


28 posted on 06/13/2010 5:43:40 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Nachum

“PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments for items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime” unless it’s Democrats doing the hating (they do it better) and it promotes the New World Order.


29 posted on 06/13/2010 5:46:11 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: JoanneSD
like some one stealing my account number, they could only get what I had in there.

I don't lose anything if mine is stolen, I'm pretty sure most, if not all Visa is that way.

30 posted on 06/13/2010 6:05:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: antceecee
I don’t understand why anyone needs Paypal.

Try selling on eBay without it.

31 posted on 06/13/2010 9:08:27 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: BobL

Ebay is on a bad downward slide. Me betterhalf is or rather was a seller and sales have gradually drifted to zero, probably due to economy.


32 posted on 06/13/2010 10:13:59 AM PDT by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Richard Kimball

BTTT


33 posted on 06/13/2010 12:47:34 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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