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Genetic testing raises an age-old question — are the Jews a people, or a religion?
NY Post ^ | June 13, 2010 | MAYRAV SAAR

Posted on 06/13/2010 3:38:27 AM PDT by Scanian

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To: Scanian

Israel was given to the Jews by the owner, Almighty God. I am looking forward to the day when Israel comes into her full inheritance.


21 posted on 06/13/2010 5:30:38 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Scanian

I’m of the Baptist race myself.


22 posted on 06/13/2010 5:32:21 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: Graybeard58

So am I.

And, since Baptists believe in the scriptures, we know that heredity is very important to the Lord, who often has his own, seemingly mysterious reasons for things.


23 posted on 06/13/2010 5:37:30 AM PDT by Scanian
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24 posted on 06/13/2010 5:42:59 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: nolongerademocrat
if you believe in Jesus and you believe that Jesus was from the line of David - you are forced to accept that conversion to Judaism happens.

If you look at it as an acceptance of Jewish values perfectly interpreted from the Old Testament, I guess that would be true but that of course is what Christianity is. OTOH, if you are talking about forced animal sacrifice, harsh punishment for human weakness and obedience to a king other than God, well, no.

I’ll even pretend that slaughter of the Jews is not part of Christian end-time prophecy.

The "end-time" prophecies I've seen all predict the slaughter of everybody but the Jews -- or converts :-).

25 posted on 06/13/2010 5:48:00 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Cvengr

And how do we know of the Contracts G-d made to the ancient Jews? They are written in the Jewish Bible.

Of course the relations of the G-ds with the ancient Romans are only written in Latin and don’t count.

The relations of the G-ds with the ancient Greeks are written in (ancient) Greek and don’t count.

The relations of the G-ds with the ancient Hindus are written in the Vedas and don’t count.


26 posted on 06/13/2010 5:51:25 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Tribune7

I mean that if Christians accept Jesus as descended from the line of David - David himself was the descendent of a Convert. I was not indicating any further acceptance of halakhah.

The rest - I’m referring to premillennial dispensationalism.


27 posted on 06/13/2010 6:04:04 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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28 posted on 06/13/2010 6:06:04 AM PDT by StarFan
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To: Graybeard58
“I’m of the Baptist race myself.”

Sure wish I'd thought of that before filling out my census form - I'm a Lutheranian.

29 posted on 06/13/2010 6:11:09 AM PDT by shove_it (...and have a nice day.)
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To: Scanian

Well, the biggest issue is that Jewish traits have been analyzed and they have an 85% association with liberals throughout the world ;-)


30 posted on 06/13/2010 6:13:06 AM PDT by kingcoal
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To: mdmathis6; Dem Guard

Jewishness is a matter of Jewish religious law. Genetics give historical insights, but have no Jewish legal status (yet).

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48944786.html

...Besides the Jews, there are other populations that share the “Abrahamic Genetic Signature” as their primary Y-markers.

These include Lebanese, Syrians, Druze, Iraqi Kurds, some southern and central Italians, and Hungarians. It is also found among some Armenians.

These may be descendants of Abraham through his grandson Esau, brother of Jacob, some of whose progeny, according to Talmudic tradition, founded the early roots of the empire of Rome. As Isaac’s son and Abraham’s grandson, Esau would also have had these same Y-chromosome lineage markers...


31 posted on 06/13/2010 6:15:12 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: kingcoal

Hopefully, Obozo is taking care of that problem just as he has opened eyes in many other circles.

If you ever get the chance, check out “Jewish socialism” as a rival to “Zionism.” Some Jews in Czarist Russia saw going to Palestine as a solution to their problems and many found the means to do so; others chose to sign onto the socialist movement characterized by Bolshevism and more of that group migrated to America and became the foundation of the stereotypical “Jewish liberal,” most of whom can trace their origins to Russian socialism via New York City leftism in the early 20th Century. Old habits and affiliations are hard to change but give Hussein time.


32 posted on 06/13/2010 6:21:23 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: nolongerademocrat
I’m referring to premillennial dispensationalism.

And that's what I thought. What premillennial predicts/requires the slaughter of the Jews?

I can't think of any prominent ones. Heck, I can't think of any unprominent ones.

33 posted on 06/13/2010 6:25:27 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Dem Guard
Yes...it was before this date...the 2,500 year ago date is when they split (at the time of the destruction of the First Temple and the Babylonian captivity). In other words, they found genetic evidence for this as the time when common ancestors were in one spot.

Evdience suggests that the Jews came together as a people (likely a mixture of Cannanite tribes and the itinerant Habiru) about 1,000 years before the Babylonian dispersion.

34 posted on 06/13/2010 6:43:36 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Scanian

Stormfront needs to revise their site now...


35 posted on 06/13/2010 6:44:25 AM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: mdmathis6

“I strongly suspect that some people groups that hate Jews will someday be surprised to learn that they are Jews...(not counting American Liberal Dem, Jews who seem to be self hating)”

In addition, I would not be surprised if it were discovered that many Christians also have Jewish DNA.


36 posted on 06/13/2010 6:56:06 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: Tribune7; GiovannaNicoletta

You seem to be in a small minority...

Anti-Semitism at End Times Level
Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:18:57 AM · 3 of 55
GiovannaNicoletta to xxxx

What’s coming for the Jews will make the Holocaust pale in comparison.

Sorry, but that is Biblical truth.


37 posted on 06/13/2010 6:58:10 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Tribune7

John Walvoord, for three decades the president of Dallas Theological Seminary, the nation’s leading dispensational seminary, wrote the following in his book, Israel in Prophecy (1988):

The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: “And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried” (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah’s prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah (p. 108).

Gary DeMar has written a detailed, footnoted paper on this subject, “The Bloody Future of Israel in Dispensational Eschatology.”

DeMar calls attention to the terrible silence of fundamentalists who believe this view of the future. They refuse to warn Jews about what is in store for them.

Israel’s present population is around 4,500,000. If two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel at the time of the “Great Tribulation” are to die, this will mean the death of nearly 3,000,000! In addition, there is continued immigration from the former Soviet Union supported by Christian organizations like “On Wings of Eagles.” Financial support is raised by Christians to fund Jewish settlements in the occupied territories. “’This is a biblical issue,’ says Theodore T. Beckett, a Colorado developer who founded the Christian-sponsored, adopt-a-settlement program. ‘The Bible says in the last days the Jews will be restored to the nation of Israel.’” For every three people who enter, two of them will be killed during the “Great Tribulation.” Why aren’t today’s dispensationalists warning Jews about this coming holocaust by encouraging them to leave Israel until the conflagration is over? Instead, we find dispensationalists supporting and encouraging the relocation of Jews to the land of Israel. For what? A future holocaust?

http://www.pawcreek.org/open-bible-dialog/jerusalem-and-the-mark-of-the-beast
Jerusalem And The Mark Of The Beast
Obama’s Healthcare that includes his microchip is the darkest descent toward the Antichrist yet. I thought that his treatment of Israel was his lowest moment, but this is worse. The Antichrist hates Israel and will destroy millions of Jews after he comes into power. But, the Mark of the Beast is the chief instrument used in Satan’s rise to world control. At the middle point of the Seven Years of the Antichrist kingdom or One World Order, he will place his image in the third Jewish Temple. This will desecrate the Temple and end all Jewish sacrifices. The slaughter of the Jews will escalate and the world will be a dark place. Every person that repents and turns to Christ will be killed. This microchip is not the Mark Of The Beast, but it will help prepare the world for the Mark. I would suspect that this chip will either have a GPS to identify your location at all times or will soon have such a capability. No one with a sound mind would want the Obama crowd to know where they are or what they are doing. He has appointed more perverted people to help run his administration than, probably, all previous presidents together. The American people have allowed one idea after another that has prepared our nation for the end times. The Antichrist will only rule for seven years, so everything must be in order. Of all the signs of the end times that I have witnessed, this has got to be one of the last. The Rapture is “Any Moment.” We need to quit saying soon and start saying, “Any Moment.”

Astounding! ISRAEL IN THE NEWS! - Is The “Gog and Magog” Prophecy Upon Us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKEJGmx1ERw

And there is more, nuch more.


38 posted on 06/13/2010 7:07:38 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: jjotto
LOL!!!

God has said that those Who believe what He has said would be in the minority. God said that more people would choose death over life.

I'm proud to be in the minority of those who believe the absolute, inerrant, infallible truth of God's Scriptures.

Especially now that those words are coming to pass in our lifetime.

"Let God be true and every man a liar". (Romans 3:4). I see the truth of that more and more every day.

LOL!!!

39 posted on 06/13/2010 7:27:45 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Scanian; doug from upland; usmcobra; Cindy; G8 Diplomat; AdmSmith; Dog; nuconvert; ...
I am surprised that all of the posts so far have missed the most politically potent part of the study:

"Both studies also find that Jews have a strong genetic link to modern Palestinians, Druze and Bedouins."

Several other studies have shown that Sephardic/Sabra Jews are genetically indistinguishable. Whose homeland is whose?

40 posted on 06/13/2010 7:32:44 AM PDT by gandalftb (OK State: Go Cowboys)
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