Skip to comments.Is it time to end the police gun sale 'loophole'?
Posted on 06/14/2010 6:41:32 AM PDT by marktwain
"WYANDOTTE: City Council wants new, much tighter gun policy (with document)," The News-Herald headline tell us.
Although an internal sale of old police guns wasnt illegal, it probably wont happen again, at least not without greater oversight.
The sale of guns the Police Department originally was going to trade in was first raised last month by resident Richard Miller, who learned of at least two incidents in which old guns were sold to police officers and members of the Police and Fire Commission.
The results of an investigation?
[I]n 2006 and 2007 the Police Department sold 24 M-1 carbines, two 30.06 rifles, two Mossberg 12-gauge shotguns and 14 Remington 870 12-gauge shotguns. The total received for the guns was $12,115.
...[A]ll the receipts for the gun sales could not be located...Ferguson said that as the guns were sold he would write out a receipt, attach it to the money received and give the funds to Heck, whose desk was next to his in the old Police Department building.
OK, fine and good. I've long believed that police departments should sell surplus firearms, both to ensure a better armed and thus protected public, as well as to economize and lessen the burden of their operations on taxpayers.
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It disturbs me that everytime a gun is sold in accordance with existing law, it is said to be going on because of a loophole that ought to be closed. We see where this is going.
Normally they are sold at an auction, I have 2 mi carbines that I bought at a police auction years ago, they are triple the cost today.
Should add that of this moment neither has slipped out of the house and killed anyone.
That's because since there are criminals in our society, ALL of us must be treated as criminals.
That's less than $500/gun...Those cops are outright crooks. The only place you can find an M-1 Carbine or 30.06 for that price is for a piece parts beater and still it would cost you that in parts. CROOKs taking advantage of confiscated guns. It wouldn't surprise me if most of the Carbines would have gone for $750 or higher.
Right now, you can get rack grade M1 Carbines from the Civilian Markmanship Program for somewhere between $479 and $595.
Less than $300/gun. Unless they were unserviceable, that is darn cheap. Of course, if they were serviceable, then why did they need to be sold?
Those guns didn’t come from CMP and getting a CMP gun isn’t a piece of cake, either. On the open market, in gun stores and at gun shows, they generally go for about $695 to $750. A collectible carbine will cost you much more (e.g. a straight Winchester with a high wood, I hole stock; an Inland Carbine with IO stock paratrooper original could go for $1500-$2000).
They are saying these are “extra guns.” Does that mean they are police issue? Or does it mean these were collected in a crime, or were they collected as part of one of those “turn in your gun, get a lollipop” things. And anyway, an M1 is a rifle, not a gun.
I would love to have my old Inland M1, but like an ijit, I sold it years ago.
Still worth a look.
The only place you can find an M-1 Carbine or 30.06 for that price is for a piece parts beater and still it would cost you that in parts.
I bought a Winchester 30 06 in 2009, with a cheapie Tasco scope, for $375 at one of my local gun stores. And it was brand new. Naturally I had to put on a recoil butt piece as all of these guys kick like a mule. But as with everything else, prices vary.
That wasn’t an M-1 Military Carbine. Probably Ivers Johnson or other after-market company that built to original spec... when you talk M-1 Carbine, you don’t talk commercial variants.
I collect Garands, Carbines, 1911, 1903s and have invested a lot in the tools needed to build them up from parts. I also have a few originals that are very hard to come by - my pride and joys are the Winchester original high-wood I hole stock and the original Inland paratrooper models....close seconds are a couple of original WWII Garands and a Colt 1911 US Army original..
Some of these firearms are just junk and as such disposing them through the police for $75 to $100 is ok with me as well. However, if you look closely at the photos of some of these guns being turned in you will note that they are very nice and have significant value. These guns are more than likely hot. Otherwise, they would have been sold to a pawn shop or gun dealer for a lot more than $100. I think before such guns as these are purchased by they police and then destroyed an earnest effort should be made to locate the legitimate owner and return his property.