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Broke Dad Put Abby Up for Sail
Fox News ^ | June 14, 2010

Posted on 06/14/2010 9:50:22 AM PDT by Ron C.

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To: Man50D
Fine, then her father or mother should have made the solo voyage to put provide for his or her family instead of risking their child's life.

No record, no sponsors, no boat.

321 posted on 06/14/2010 2:53:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Man50D
The correct question is do they consider money and notoriety more important than their minor child's life?

A very good question. One that I am not qualified to answer as I am completely sure I do not know all the facts.

322 posted on 06/14/2010 2:56:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
So, do you think all those people who climbed Mt. Everest spent their money on rope, oxygen, tents, pack animals, sherpas or put all their cash into a 'remedial fund' set aside to pay for any needed rescue?

This is a fairly straightforward subject in my opinion.

The family has made a mess in a quest for personal gain.

Others had to risk their lives, stop their work and come bail her out. Those French sailors have mouths to feed too.

Do the Sunderland's actions reflect a mindset worthy of conservative support?

323 posted on 06/14/2010 3:05:00 PM PDT by primeval patriot (Me, me, me! Look at me!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I never said any such thing.

You are correct. My bad.

And lets not forget the poor planning that put her at risk in the Indian Ocean in winter.

I thought it was the fact she started this goal at 13 and it took all this time to gain the experience, get the sponsors, and obtain a custom built boat (apparently all with very little money of their own to use). Time was running out for the record attempt due to her age at the conclusion of the attempt. (she would turn 17 before she landed).

The decision to continue, even after having to take port (violating the 'non-stop' condition of the trip), was made after the fact (of attempting the challenge). I would not have made the same choice, but I'm not her or her parents.

If there was no risk, no one would pay any attention, would they.

Can't sell laundry detergent that way.

324 posted on 06/14/2010 3:05:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Man50D
So was the Titantic.

Never heard of it.

Now, the Titanic, it sunk.

But, the designer of 'WILD EYES' probably thought his high-tech mast made of the latest carbon-fiber technology was unbreakable.

Which he would have remarked on had the waves not smashed it into pieces, and Abby been successful.

325 posted on 06/14/2010 3:09:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: BenKenobi
And how does that apply to this case?

Quite handily since he had NO sailing knowledge or tech goodies. And I believe that this beginner also got his ship back to port. This article says his boat overturned. He also got a load of bad fuel. However, he still made it back to port on September 17th. It speaks to age and wisdom over youth and exuberance.

326 posted on 06/14/2010 3:09:48 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
It has to end somewhere.

A huge asteroid hitting the Earth would probably put a quick end to it.

Other than that, you are just going to have to depend on the intelligence of 9-15 year olds to just say no.

327 posted on 06/14/2010 3:11:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
Can't sell laundry detergent that way.

That's the point. I wouldn't market my kid. Actually, at one time we were doing very badly. I have a lovely daughter. She was 4 at the time and I was told that I should get her into modeling, that we could eat regularly. I refused.

328 posted on 06/14/2010 3:13:13 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Other than that, you are just going to have to depend on the intelligence of 9-15 year olds to just say no.

Yeah but you know there are loon parents that will do it.

329 posted on 06/14/2010 3:14:37 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: UCANSEE2
I sat here too long today and got little done in between posts. I really have to sign off.

It was good yapping with ya. Take care!

330 posted on 06/14/2010 3:16:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
There is a vast difference between adults doing this and children.

Yes, but not much. The risk and the cost is the same.

So now.... What 'legal' age do we use to 'enforce' our personal judgments of what she and her family can or cannot do?

Do we go by the state they live in?

Or am I getting offtrack ?

What would you do to 'right' this situation?

331 posted on 06/14/2010 3:17:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Breaking records benefits no one but the record breaker. Or in this case, her parents. It is a risk simply for the sake of risk.

So should it be outlawed?

332 posted on 06/14/2010 3:19:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
So now.... What 'legal' age do we use to 'enforce' our personal judgments of what she and her family can or cannot do?

Another poster said that no one recognizes records under the age of 18. I don't see as there is any alternative other than societal disapproval of risking kids just for a record. There will always be parents that others consider to be, um, "choice challenged".

I have to go. Bye!

333 posted on 06/14/2010 3:22:12 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Deflecting again.

"Hard to port, Captain, ere we roll under the waves."

; )

334 posted on 06/14/2010 3:22:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DJ MacWoW
That's my opinion. You have a different one.

Actually I don't think our opinions are that different.

We applaud her goals, and her efforts, but she sure had some bat**** crazy parents to plot her route through the worst possible area and then hope for the best.

Of course, if she had been ready earlier, she could have taken a safer route, and ended up dead anyway.

335 posted on 06/14/2010 3:26:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DJ MacWoW
THEY sacrificed for her.

It was my understanding that the law of the sea was that the nearest ship was required to come to assistance. I think it possible that 'notoriety' , 'attention', etc. had something to do with them wanting to be the first to find her boat.

If I was out there, I would drop everything to go to the rescue.

Wouldn't you?

336 posted on 06/14/2010 3:30:40 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DJ MacWoW; ex 98C MI Dude
Since no one recognizes any recordholder under 18 y/o,

DJ: Are you going to swallow that.... hook, line, and sinker?

337 posted on 06/14/2010 3:33:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: DJ MacWoW
According to freeper sailors, being prepared is taking the best route in optimal weather.

Were those Freeper sailors challenging a world record based on age?

Have you asked Scott Palin if he races the Iditarod only on the best route, in optimal weather?

338 posted on 06/14/2010 3:36:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

We did grow up in a different ERA though. When I was a kid it was, “Go out and play”. I never let my kids out in the front yard alone.


339 posted on 06/14/2010 3:41:36 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You know, you are not helping your argument.

Abby sailed far farther then he did, without the supervision of a ‘boat race’, was far better prepared, and tackled challenges that this man could not do.

And your argument is that it proves he was better than she is? The proof is in the sailing. Abby sailed from California, around the Horn, across the Atlantic.


340 posted on 06/14/2010 3:42:00 PM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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