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Broke Dad Put Abby Up for Sail
Fox News ^ | June 14, 2010

Posted on 06/14/2010 9:50:22 AM PDT by Ron C.

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To: carmody

“She” did not attempt this trip. The trip was organized by her parents and she is not an adult. The parents pushed the agenda, and she being a child of limited experience made an “uninformed” decision, one which her presumably mature parents should have made for her (and they did, they put her on a sailboat in the Indian Ocean in winter).Details matter.
The three hikers went to Ahmed Awa falls in Kurdistan near the Iranian border without a map/GPS to keep from going into Iran= just as dumb as planning to be in the Indian Ocean in winter. The two blogettes were reporters who contracted with someone in the employ of N. Korea to take them over the Chinese border to find and talk to refugees
from N. Korea=just as stupid as the Sunderland girl, or rather her parents. The point is she was directed and it was planned by her parents. This was not some “goal” oriented decision by a single person of 16. Anyone who has any knowledge of learning and maturity can understand that this girl was trying to please her parents, and her parents were trying to pay bills they cannot pay. It is NOT an adult choosing to risk their life, it is parents placing their child in danger. The statement from the American Sailing Association says it rather well.


361 posted on 06/14/2010 9:12:30 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: UCANSEE2

Applying the same flawed logic those 16 million young girls have the same freedom (so called right) to CHO0SE to risk their lives to achieve a goal-—to no longer be pregnant. In both these instances the 16 year old is wrong and not mature enough to make that kind of decision, and in the case of abortions the parents should not be out of the loop, if in fact the killing of the unborn is choosing murder-which it is. A 16 year old does not have the maturity to make the choice either to sail around the world solo. It took parents, broke ones at that to push this idea.


362 posted on 06/14/2010 9:22:16 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: UCANSEE2

See Ernest Shackleton. His sponsors had to be begged to support his rescue of his own men. And, uh, he was an adult purportedly.


363 posted on 06/14/2010 9:27:13 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: UCANSEE2
Everybody is so darn concerned that one WELL PREPARED 16 year old girl went on a record breaking (whether there be any official award or not) attempt

A lot of people are concerned that one ill-prepared girl went on a badly planned publicty stunt in a unsuitable boat.

From Sailinganarchy.com (where rough rude sea dogs hang out)
From all the facts availble so far, this was really just a young girl setting a world record for distance travelled in a battery charger.

364 posted on 06/15/2010 1:34:31 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: BluH2o; Gen. Burkhalter
Did not know the mast hit her on the head and knocked her unconscious. Thanks for informing me.

Where is this coming from?

Camp Sunderland hype. Earliest report from Abby was she was thrown about the cabin while working on the engine and the boat went askew.

Speculation is it was a gybe (yes she was carrying too much sail, full genoa in 30-40kt wind), the Achilles heel of her mast setup (weak backstay). And when carbon fibre goes, it goes.

365 posted on 06/15/2010 1:52:04 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Jessica Watson’s voyage didn’t meet the definition of nautical circumnavigation. So the ‘unofficial’ record is still for a 17 y/o. Joy.

Don't you believe it: "No, sir. This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend ..."

Jessica Watson has the media savvy to pwn the Prime Minster of Australia before a crowd of 50,000 people. Legend.

Besides its the members of the club who admit new members

to the editor of scuttlebutteurope.com
* From Sir Robin Knox-Johnston: This young lady may not have broken a recognised record, but she has indisputably circumnavigated the world south of the three great Capes. So no record maybe, but certainly a solo circumnavigation, and the 174th person to have achieved this.
A small and very exclusive club (275 now since Indian Navy Commander Dilip Donde returned home 3 weeks ago)
366 posted on 06/15/2010 2:10:23 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: BenKenobi; DJ MacWoW
Abby sailed far farther then he did, without the supervision of a ‘boat race’, was far better prepared, and tackled challenges that this man could not do.

Really, Abby is going to have a busy few years coming up

So watch what you say about him Jedi, He may be 70 now, but he's an former paratrooper and your ass still he could kick
367 posted on 06/15/2010 2:34:02 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: BenKenobi; Oztrich Boy
and tackled challenges that this man could not do.

You mean like his boat overturning and he still got it to port in East London, South Africa?

1971: Sailor's record 'wrong way' voyage

At the end of the article: In 1968-69 after leaving the army he took part in the Golden Globe race around the world - but it ended in near disaster after his vessel overturned.

368 posted on 06/15/2010 7:01:45 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
(yes she was carrying too much sail, full genoa in 30-40kt wind)

OMG!

369 posted on 06/15/2010 7:26:56 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama: Reviving States' Rights.)
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To: napscoordinator
Don’t even tell me that being on the open sea is learning

"[Horatio Nelson was born on 29 September 1758. Nelson attended Paston Grammar School, North Walsham, until he was 12 years old, and also attended King Edward VI’s Grammar School in Norwich. His naval career began on 1 January 1771 [age 12], when he reported to the third-rate HMS Raisonnable as an Ordinary Seaman and coxswain."

370 posted on 06/15/2010 8:38:56 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Gen. Burkhalter
Tusunamis can and have capsized vessels before.

Tsuanmis in the open ocean are harmless and barely detectable waves. The difference is that unlike shallow surface waves, includiing the 50 footers that can happen in severe storms, a tsunami consists of bulk motion of the entire ocean, going down to the bottom. When the wave travels into shallow water, because of conservation of mass, it becomes an enormous wave that can reck havoc along the coast.

371 posted on 06/15/2010 8:43:27 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

I won’t dispute any of that. But the more news that comes out of this case backs up my original point that this whole incident that the parents should have never allowed their sixteen year old daughter to go this extremely dangerous voyage all by herself. In fact the whole thing appears to be a big publicity stunt designed to make money, get on TV, and perhaps even a reality show. They are extremely lucky their daughter wasn’t killed as the boat was severely damaged. I think this is child endangerment and the case should be referred to the Dept of Children and Family services and the parents should be required to take parenting classes at the very least.


372 posted on 06/15/2010 8:50:39 AM PDT by Gen. Burkhalter
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To: Gen. Burkhalter
Dangerous, Inexperience Sailing, the Real Sunderland Reality
373 posted on 06/15/2010 9:01:56 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Where did I say he couldn’t? Just this girl had done far more than he had done on the sea, at this point in their lives.


374 posted on 06/15/2010 9:33:10 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

The boat was completely paid for with Advertising which they sold (branding on the boat), the boat was also insured. The family has played this on twitter, facebook, their own website, appeared on TV shows, and in the Fathers Yacht business for a full year before she left. They had endorsements on clothing and yachting apparel, jewelry, and food items...so your simply uninformed.


375 posted on 06/15/2010 10:44:40 AM PDT by etraveler13
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To: etraveler13

Nothing about any of that says the daughter was “forced” to go because her parents were too lazy to work, so you’re simply wrong.


376 posted on 06/15/2010 11:25:01 AM PDT by Thurston_Howell_III (Ahoy polloi... where did you come from, a scotch ad?)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III

That had nothing to do with my reply...This was a money making enterprise for her entire family. It was paid for, and there was no loss monitarily, and thankfully she survived. Just because a minor wants to do something, is not necessarily a good reason to let them do it. JUST MY OPINION...


377 posted on 06/15/2010 11:43:59 AM PDT by etraveler13
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To: al baby

I don’t get your point exactly, but I ain’t messing with the “stuned Beeber man”:)


378 posted on 06/15/2010 5:26:52 PM PDT by X-FID
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To: al baby; X-FID
X-FID That looked like a small boat to me. I know people who do sail around the world and it takes at least 2 strong and knowledgeable people to do it in a much larger craft.

X-FID, the point al baby is making is that the world has been sucessfully circumnavigated, single-handed, many times.

Most of the cruising (ie not in a race) attempts were done in boats between 30 and 40'. And of the outliers, there are more below 30' than above 40'. Currrent smallest is 12' (twelve feet!) by Australian Serge Testa. In a few weeks Italian Alessandro di Benedetto's 21' Findomestic Banca will become the smallest boat to do it non-stop via the Great Capes.

At 40' Abby's boat was in the upper range, and really too large for her to handle. She would have had more chance smaller.

What boats do teens use?

Abby was just trying to take the "biggest boat sailed by a girl" record from Our Jess.
379 posted on 06/15/2010 5:57:46 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I was so enthralled with Robin Lee Graham story as a youngin he had a kitty cat too, I think. No sat phone or gps or all the fun stuff of today lots of dead reckoning I think


380 posted on 06/15/2010 6:06:23 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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