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The Big 12 lives
KC Star ^ | Mon, Jun. 14, 2010 | BLAIR KERKHOFF

Posted on 06/14/2010 5:15:20 PM PDT by Shamrock498

The Big 12 Conference will stay alive after all 10 remaining teams have agreed to remain members, according to multiple reports late this afternoon.

Texas turned down an invitation from the Pacific-10 Conference, announcing in a university statement late this afternoon that the Longhorns will continue competing in the Big 12. Texas president William Powers Jr. and athletic director DeLoss Dodds will hold a news conference at 10 a.m. Tuesday. The Texas Board of Regents meeting set for Tuesday was cancelled.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/14/2015957/reports-texas-may-commit-to-staying.html#ixzz0qsNXCju4

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: big12; college; ncaa; pac10
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as a mizzou fan i was sweating the last couple of days...
1 posted on 06/14/2010 5:15:20 PM PDT by Shamrock498
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To: Shamrock498

“Give ‘em another play.”


2 posted on 06/14/2010 5:16:57 PM PDT by OKSooner ("I can see September from my house.")
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To: Shamrock498

I heard the fighting irish is going to join the big 10.


3 posted on 06/14/2010 5:21:11 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Shamrock498; Wyatt's Torch

Rats. I was looking forward to the Aggies coming to the SEC.


4 posted on 06/14/2010 5:21:55 PM PDT by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: Shamrock498

Texas’s Athletic Director is from Kansas State and he has a lot of loyalty to his Alma Mater. This was all about keeping Kansas, Kansas State and Kansas City from getting screwed.


5 posted on 06/14/2010 5:23:44 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: secret garden

Me too.


6 posted on 06/14/2010 5:23:58 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Shamrock498
Good decision by Texas. Both the Big 10 and the PAC 10 made no sense from a geographical standpoint. I like the way things are in ACC, SEC, Big East, Big 10 (the crybaby conference), the Big 12 (need new name), WAC, PAC 10, etc. These conference shakeups aren't doing anyone any good. Colorado is a joke in the PAC 10. They are a little far from the Pacific Ocean don't you think?

And you last thing; please Big East kick Notre Dame out unless they join for football. I'm getting tired of these guys getting special treatment because they used to be good (well over 20 years ago). The special treatment for ND is a disgrace for college sports.
7 posted on 06/14/2010 5:26:34 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Shamrock498
Great news, Hook 'EM


8 posted on 06/14/2010 5:27:05 PM PDT by Bad~Rodeo (INTEGRATE or VACATE: BoycottMexicoNow.com)
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To: Shamrock498

The Big 12 becomes the Big 10 and the Big 1(1)0 becomes the Big 12?


9 posted on 06/14/2010 5:34:35 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: truthguy

maybe the big 10 and big XII can just swap stationary and their signs outside their office’s...


10 posted on 06/14/2010 5:40:06 PM PDT by Shamrock498
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To: gusopol3

And the Pac-10 become 11. This must be the new math that the teacher’s unions are gouging us for...


11 posted on 06/14/2010 5:42:40 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Shamrock498

This is the greatest news that could possibly happen. Now it’s time to replace those two schools and become the Big 12 again. Anyone taking votes?


12 posted on 06/14/2010 5:46:38 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: truthguy

I could not stand the thought of the Horns going to Washington every year. What kind of say would the six Big 12 schools have had in the PAC 10?


13 posted on 06/14/2010 5:49:07 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: Shamrock498

Great news! I was against joining the Pac-10 until I learned the Big XII South was coming with them. The once I heard the UT president was a Cal-Berkeley alum, I smelled an inside job.

I’m glad everyone came to their senses.

Thank you, A&M. In your own way, you forced the rest of the conference to work it out.


14 posted on 06/14/2010 5:53:31 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: secret garden

As an Aggie in GA I was dying for us to join the SEC, and am in utter disbelief that we caved to Texas yet again. While it would take awhile for us to become competitive in the SEC, to open that rich recruiting ground up beyond LSU would have certainly increased our potential in the long run.

As it is A&M will now deservedly remain Texas’ b!tch and fight to compete with Texas Tech and Baylor in football.

If we get blown out by Arkansas again this year, which I expect, our AD had better start looking for a new job.


15 posted on 06/14/2010 5:58:47 PM PDT by GOP_Muzik (If all the world's a stage then I want different lighting)
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To: Shamrock498

Great news. We don’t need mega-conferences. Twelve is about the right number for a college conference.

If USC and Texas want to play each other every year for another big payoff, they can accomplish that by dropping some of their powder puff opponents and scheduling each other every year. The same goes for any other schools who want more big TV revenue payoffs. No one has to screw up all the conference alignments just to have a few more big match-ups of teams in big TV markets.


16 posted on 06/14/2010 6:02:31 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Shamrock498

Welcome Boise State to the MWC.


17 posted on 06/14/2010 6:03:22 PM PDT by joelt
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To: mamelukesabre
I heard the Fighting Irish are going to join the Big 10.

Notre Dame ought to join the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference--and start a rivalry with Occidental College.

18 posted on 06/14/2010 6:14:20 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

What about trying to get Arkansas, and TCU and re-kindle some of the old SWC rivalries ?

No idea if either is possible, I was just thinking about that this morning.


19 posted on 06/14/2010 6:20:14 PM PDT by crescen7 (game on)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

I would guess TCU with either BYU or SMU. I would also guess that Utah makes the PAC-10 the PAC-12.


20 posted on 06/14/2010 6:21:33 PM PDT by mmparker
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To: gusopol3

“The Big 12 becomes the Big 10 and the Big 1(1)0 becomes the Big 12?”

Or the Big 1100. But the running backs and wide receivers would never figure it out.


21 posted on 06/14/2010 6:39:46 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: secret garden

Big 1+little 9

Supposedly The Status Quo Will Remain
http://www.iamthe12thman.com/2010/6/14/1518141/supposedly-the-status-quo-will


22 posted on 06/14/2010 6:47:37 PM PDT by luckybogey
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To: secret garden

Going to be interesting to see how the Texas money compares to the rest. The words “Snow White and the 9 Dwarves” come to mind...


23 posted on 06/14/2010 6:47:46 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Shamrock498

I’m surprised. I thought that the Big 12 was dead and gone.

I’m glad that the Big 12 (or whatever it is now) is still in business. Looking at it geographically, it makes sense.


24 posted on 06/14/2010 6:48:45 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

apparently they can make more money with 10 at this point. this according to media consultants to the conference. but if you had to pull in two more teams I’d try and steal Arkansas from the SEC since they have expressed interest in the past and maybe BYU...i dont know


25 posted on 06/14/2010 6:49:22 PM PDT by Shamrock498
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To: crescen7

I’ve been thinking the same thing but having 10 teams will get rid of the stupid football “Championship Game” and every team can play the others every year not every two years. And get rid of the basketball post season tourny. I know, they are there to generate more money but if the 10 teams are pulling bigger bucks from the new deal, who needs them.


26 posted on 06/14/2010 6:50:58 PM PDT by Caribou ( www.ktok.com Red State Radio free streaming. RIP Mark Shannon)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

When it looked like only 5 teams would be left, I thought they would have to change the conference name to “The Dangerfield 5”.


27 posted on 06/14/2010 6:53:10 PM PDT by Caribou ( www.ktok.com Red State Radio free streaming. RIP Mark Shannon)
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To: Caribou

YEA!

I don’t want to be part of the PAC-10 or BIG 10!


28 posted on 06/14/2010 6:56:45 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Shamrock498

This is great news. I still hate to see Nebraska leave the Big 12 (unless they are doing it because one second was put back on the clock in the Big 12 Championship game, which would made them just whining crybabies), but I did not want to risk losing the Texas-Texas A&M rivalry and certainly did not want to be associated with the crooks at USC.

I am beginning to think Bill Powers is about as good a President as a University could have.


29 posted on 06/14/2010 7:08:58 PM PDT by olrtex
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and Missouri ... not a dwarf among ‘em.


30 posted on 06/14/2010 7:14:20 PM PDT by olrtex
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To: Wyatt's Torch

“Commissioner Dan Beebe said during the Big 12 meetings in Kansas City two weeks ago that his conference would be able to approach paying league members as much as $17 million annually — nearly twice as much as some members now receive — with a new television deal with Fox Sports Net.”


31 posted on 06/14/2010 7:15:09 PM PDT by Shamrock498
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To: Shamrock498

The SEC is a conference intelligent enough not to attach a number to its name. SEC always works and it’s never outdated by changes in the number of members.


32 posted on 06/14/2010 7:22:03 PM PDT by Will88
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To: GOP_Muzik

Maybe the coach should start looking for a new job. I will never understand why they hired Sherman (well, I understand it; it was not a good hire, imho).


33 posted on 06/14/2010 7:28:18 PM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

They wouldn’t be going to Washington every year. If they had joined the Pac10 with OU, Tech, OSU, CU and A&M, they would have been in a division with Arizona and ASU. They would have traveled to the West coast maybe twice a year at most.


34 posted on 06/14/2010 7:30:23 PM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: Shamrock498
I have a totally different take on this from everyone else I guess. As I mentioned in another thread, this new conference - whatever you want to call it - is an inferior product. The strength of schedule is going to be crap the south division now having to play Iowa State, Kansas and KState on a much more regular basis (particularly Iowa State), since there will not be a conference championship. The out of conference schedule is going to have to drastically improve if the schools want to compete for a BCS title; assuming other conferences want to give Big12 schools that chance (and why would they?).

I would have loved the Pac16, Old Mexico Conference, etc., because there would have been a conference network and huge tv deal for all the schools (more money than is currently being offered), good football, good baseball, good basketball, and sexy cheerleaders.

35 posted on 06/14/2010 7:39:19 PM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: olrtex
Baylor, Kansas, KState, Iowa State... yeah, there are some dwarves, and they will kill SoS with the lack of a conference championship.
36 posted on 06/14/2010 7:52:28 PM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: Shamrock498

I live in Columbia. Yes, this is great news. #Mizzou is the life of Columbia


37 posted on 06/14/2010 7:53:14 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet
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To: Shamrock498

UT stayed because of greed. UT will get up to $25mil/yr, OU & ATM $20mil/yr and the rest $14 to $17mil/yr. Plus UT will get to start their own network.


38 posted on 06/14/2010 9:14:26 PM PDT by llano2
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To: Sic Parvis Magna

here is what our conference championship game has brought us....

1996: #3 NU loses to unranked UT in conf champ game. this is pre BCS but obviously NU was out of the running after this loss.

1998: texas a&m beats #2 k-state in the conference championship game and keeps them out of the national championship game

2003: k-st beats #1 OU in the conf champ game..knocks them out of the natl champ game

2007: OU beats #1 MU in the conf champ game...knocks them out of the natl champ game

2009: UT gets a second put back on the clock against NU allowing them to attempt a game winning field goal and avoid getting eliminated from going to natl champ game. close call...

none of the coaches in the big 12 liked having to play the conf champ game. we’re all scratching our heads as to why the pac 10 and big 10 are in such a hurry to have one of their best two teams lose their last game of the regular season every year. i predict a big 12 team will play in nearly every natl champ game once the pac 10 and big 10 add a conf champ game.

so while the lack of a conf champ game maaaayyyy hurt a conf champs SOS the downside of possibly losing that late in the year makes it worth getting rid of the champ game...IMHO


39 posted on 06/14/2010 9:31:03 PM PDT by Shamrock498
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To: llano2

no one thinks they did it to be nice:)

everyone is going to make more money and stay together so its a win-win i suppose right?


40 posted on 06/14/2010 9:35:23 PM PDT by Shamrock498
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To: llano2
UT stayed because of greed. UT will get up to $25mil/yr, OU & ATM $20mil/yr and the rest $14 to $17mil/yr. Plus UT will get to start their own network

Yep.
To overuse and abuse some old cliches:
"The biggest frog in a little pond will kill the goose that lays the golden egg."

UT grabbing the lion's share of the revenue will only make the conference less competitive and boring in the long run.

41 posted on 06/15/2010 5:27:54 AM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: Shamrock498
There is a serious chance that we can get beat out by one loss SEC team. And the SEC has a championship game.

I just don't like what this is going to do to SoS. I just don't like it period. There is still going to be bad blood. The other schools are not going to be happy that Texas, OU, and A&M are making more money, and I think that in the end we will be right back here in a few years trying to decide whether or not to save the conference.

42 posted on 06/15/2010 6:28:18 AM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: llano2
Texas will eventually get $25m by having their own network, which will generate that extra $5m on top of the $20, which is what OU and A&M are also getting. If those schools want to start their own network, let them.

If everyone had gone to the Pac16, there would have been a conference network, and you wouldn't have to whine about "greed."

43 posted on 06/15/2010 6:30:53 AM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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To: GOP_Muzik
As an Aggie in GA I was dying for us to join the SEC, and am in utter disbelief that we caved to Texas yet again.

Your sentiments are share by a large number of former students. Every Aggie I talked with the last couple of weeks, wanted A&M to go out on its own to the SEC. So not a lot of former students are very happy with this decision, myself included!
44 posted on 06/15/2010 7:13:15 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Obama should quit judging the 48% that did not vote for him by the mental capacity of those that did)
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To: jimbo123
Texas’s Athletic Director is from Kansas State and he has a lot of loyalty to his Alma Mater. This was all about keeping Kansas, Kansas State and Kansas City from getting screwed.

Don't fool yourself! The University of Texas only cares about the University of Texas. If the projected money wasn't there, Texas would have left the Big 12 and not given a second thought to anything in Kansas. Sorry, but that's the truth.
45 posted on 06/15/2010 7:23:43 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Obama should quit judging the 48% that did not vote for him by the mental capacity of those that did)
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To: mamelukesabre
I heard the fighting irish is going to join the big 10.

Wishful thinking on someone's part.

46 posted on 06/15/2010 7:26:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Shamrock498

I was mourning the end of the Border War myself. Looks like it got a reprieve.


47 posted on 06/15/2010 7:27:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Shamrock498

OK so now we lost two teams in the north how do we align divisions now? Split the two Okie teams between the divisions? Make it KU, K-State, ISU, Mizzou, and Okie State vs. UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor, and OU?


48 posted on 06/15/2010 7:33:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexanByBirth
As an Aggie in GA I was dying for us to join the SEC, and am in utter disbelief that we caved to Texas yet again.

Your sentiments are share by a large number of former students. Every Aggie I talked with the last couple of weeks, wanted A&M to go out on its own to the SEC. So not a lot of former students are very happy with this decision, myself included!

With Nebraska gone to the Big 10 that will hurt their recruiting in Texas severely. Year after year they usually steal 4/5 really good recruits from the state, and there have been years where NU had more players on their team from Texas than from Nebraska. OU and LSU are now the two biggest outside presences, and it would have really put A&M in a great position to pick up recruits via the move to the SEC.

I cannot for the life of me understand how A&M passed up this opportunity, it really is the biggest Aggie joke of all time, and I'm very upset about it. The ONLY explanation I can think of is that since we are $16 million in the hole, thanks mostly to our AD extending Franchione's contract after a tepid performance, that we couldn't risk dropping the guaranteed conference money dangled in front of our face this year. I can only hope that Stallings and the other BOR left the option open for the near future, and that the SEC doesn't feel slighted.

Best case scenario would be for us to have a great year in the Big XII-II, win a bowl game, and then move to the SEC on a high note, unlike Arkansas who lost to the Citadel their first year in the SEC. We would still get the conference dollars for this year, be in the clear, and the move would be easier.

I think we'll see a realignment of the conference, hopefully put it East/West instead of North/South and place OU and Texas in each instead of the same, thus making the Red River Shootout an even bigger game than it is now. With NU gone I just can't see the North being competitive enough to sustain a conference.

49 posted on 06/15/2010 8:17:53 AM PDT by GOP_Muzik (If all the world's a stage then I want different lighting)
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To: Non-Sequitur

There will be no divisional re-alignment. Each team will play 9 in conf games and lose an out of conference game. And the out of conference schedule is going have to get tougher if the schools want to be playing for a BCS title.


50 posted on 06/15/2010 10:16:59 AM PDT by Sic Parvis Magna
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