Skip to comments.Mitch Daniels Reveals an Inconvenient Truth about the Right
Posted on 06/15/2010 6:33:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
"What typical Republican policies would he [Daniels] have to suspend and they [social and cultural conservatives] have to sacrifice? It's not clear to me that it would be anything more than simply the usual social conservative rhetoric..."
“We’re going to just have to agree to get along for a little while,” until the economic issues are resolved.”
Committed conservatives should be fully capable of conducting a two front war with the Communists.
We have won the major battle, which is the gun war.
The 2nd amendment reigns supreme and nobody can take away my right to bear arms.
Winning that battle has been by far the biggest victory in the culture war.
We don’t need a truce per say, we simply need to re-focus on the econommic takeover which Obama and his minions are plotting over the rest of his term.
Um, it's the socialist/social activists who are pushing an agenda. We are trying to "hold the line" on the right.
Condemning those who say "don't change the military, marriage laws, adoption laws, etc..." aren't pushing for changes. Telling us to surrender on these issues "for now" means forever giving up these issues to the Left.
Reagan would have never increased our military strength, fought for social issues, and championed free enterprise at the same time.......and for those who think Mitch is right....../sarcasm......
The right doesn't even have a complete team on the field. The political/legal realm is but one facet of the game. Call it defense.
But where is the offense? What is the offensive squad in the culture war? In my view, it's....culture! TV, movies, music, art, literature. The right has virtually no presense at all in these areas.
This is why "many conservatives -- especially younger, Gen Y conservatives -- go out of their way to flaunt their liberal credentials on these and other cultural issues so as to gain street cred and social acceptance. " Why is cultural liberalism necessary to gain "street cred and social acceptance?"
It is because the popular culture--our art, our music, our dramas, our stories--are what shape the cultural thinking of individuals. So where are the conservative film makers--or film studios? Where are the conservative media conglomerates? Where is the corporation that specializes in music and films that glorify and promote conservative values?
Instead of trying to buy the St Louis Rams, why isn't the enormously wealthy Rush Limbaugh, or other monied conservatives, creating such institutions?
In the culture war, conservative is like a soccor team with one player--a goalie. The best you can achieve is a tie, and that will seldom be the case.
Were going to just have to agree to get along for a little while, until the economic issues are resolved.
The “economic issues” have been caused by caving in to the socialistic nonsense...and now we are to capitulate more...tell the lie-berals to quit, I’m sure they will comply!!!
How can you tighten the purse strings when “you” are unwilling to have more personal accountablity and responsibility?
An expanded social safety net means you’ll never be able to control spending.
Things like the global warming scare and illegal immigration are economic issues.
As Mitch jettisons any aspirations for higher office.
Sounds like he’s stumping for the RINO title.
We need to first deal with immediate economic threats this communist regime poses. Yes oppose gay marriage and dadt repeal.
However the disasters of cap and trade, obamacare, etc are of much more immediate concern imho.
No we don't! You are suggesting we acquiesce to your cowardliness and PC crap. You could always come on over and join us. You are more than welcome, otherwise ES&D
Go along to get along? This is why we’re in trouble now!
BTW, McCain didn't lose on social issues. He lost because Republicans were seen as big spenders.
Maybe Republicans should start being socially conservative AND fiscally conservative.
I believe that is Daniels' point.
He has said his first priority is reforming entitlements. Good for him. This alone will take care of a while host of "social issues".
Also, he has called the enviros "zealots" and out to devastate the economy. I like his thinking.
It wasn’t clear to me from the Weekly Standard piece that he wants to run anyway. But I think that all of the attacks on him for this “truce” thing are misreading what he said. He said truce, not surrender. A truce is a two-way street. Now maybe some folks would like him to stay on the offensive, and that’s fine, but let’s not act like he said he wants to roll over and let the left have its way on social issues.
Like my grandfather could, back when this was a free country.
nobody can take away my right to bear arms
They don't have to. Just deny their permission when you apply for it.
There are more battles ahead on this issue.
Abortion: Economic suicide.
It's just naive prattling, sort of like McCain's "reach across the aisle" crap.
The “social issues” are all bound up inextricably with the economic issues. The “social issues” come down to spending money by government, that would have been covered by individual acts of charity and by relying on the individual’s own initiative. And the money spent there, directly impacts economic issues.
You cannot have both guns and butter, nor eat your cake and still have it in reserve for future pleasure.
Mortgaging our future to secure these “social issues” is no way to bring the economic problems under control.
Mitch Daniels has grown Indiana state bureaucracies by raising taxes,(for the children).
What good is fighting over gay marriage and affirmative action while our economic livlihoods are being destroyed.
We can get along fine as long as they don’t try to stop us from undoing the damage they’ve done.
I hear he's against all the bloated school construction projects (for the children).
Because most social conservatives ARE NOT fiscal conservatives
See George W
“We can get along fine as long as they dont try to stop us from undoing the damage theyve done.”
And we’ll need to go back AT LEAST to the mid-sixties, with the kick-off of the disastrous, trillion dollar racist theft known as the “War on Poverty”, with a significant stop at 1973’s Roe-Wade disaster.
Not so, pure baloney.
And an interesting angle that he (and many) miss is that much of the left's social agenda would take a serious hit if we rein in the government and government's spending/entitlements/power.
Shrinking government *is* a vital part of the conservative social agenda. Economics and culture are linked. Apparently a lot of pundits can only think one dimensionally. Which says little for their reasoning capabilities.
Daniels is a nanny stater and is soft in illegals. Financial issues cannot be solved unless the illegal situation is ended.
Too bad really. I was kinda hoping Mitch Daniels would be presidential material.
Well, back to the drawing board... next candidate please ( if there’s anyone acceptable ).
Oh, like Tom Coburn, Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin?
LOLOLOL. You got it absolutely backwards. See Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Bloomberg, Crist, Schwarznegger etc.
In fact, name me one pol who claims to be fiscal conservative/social liberal that doesn't cave in to the fiscal libs when it's time for a vote.
Tom Ridge might have been one but they are few and far between.
A “truce” on social issues will do for social issues what the Ron Paul love slaves would do for our foreign and military policy. I had thought that Mitch Daniels might make an interesting dark horse. I was wrong. He would be a disaster. The economic issues are merely a matter of money. How much is spent is dependent on the most recent elections. There is never a permanent solution to money issues. OTOH, each baby slaughtered is a baby permanently slaughtered. Each breach in the societal policy on marriage is likely to be permanent. Social issues do not call for pacifism any more than military situations do. Smash Ahmadinijad and smash the domestic social revolutionaries. “Truce” is surrender.
The delusion of “fiscal conservatives” being actual conservatives is rising here. Please do the honors.
You do know the identity of President Reagan’s Chief Political Advisor, right?
Daniels has a point but doesn’t express it very well - somehow, we need to make the New Right Coalition work again.
What good is beating back socialism if we destroy what marriage and the nuclear family are and kids continue to be harmed, dysfunctional and more prone to be wards of the state?
No Republican can win the Presidential nomination without a commitment to fighting for the right to life of the unborn and protecting what marriage is. Get to used it.
When good compromises with evil, only evil can profit.
It's straw man argument. Obama has been pushing his a pro-abortion and pro-homosexual agenda while pushing Obamacare, spending trillions, taking over car companies and, now, pushing for cap and tax.
There is no reason why a Republican President can't implement a pro-life, pro-marriage and socially conservative agenda while tackling the economic problem. Claiming one can't do otherwise is an intentional slap in the face of social conservatives. And, it just cost Daniels any chance he has to win the GOP nomination.
What point is that? The whole comment is an absurd straw man. A President can focus on the economy while at the same time tackling social issues. Obama has done so, albeit in a socialist way.
Daniels made a boneheaded political calculation to slap social conservatives in the face.
I’ve never been particularly impressed by Daniels. He’s too wonky. I’ve argued you can’t ignore any of the legs of Conservatism. Focus exclusively on the social end and the economy can suffer, focus on the economy exclusively and the soul suffers. A little effort and you can cover both, but ignoring one or the other and your Conservative credentials become suspect.
Daniels is the perfect audio-visual aid for “The Peter Principle”.
Governor of Indiana - - that’s the end of the line for Daniels. Weakness and cowardice eventually surfaces.
That's well stated. "Cultural" issues are indelibly intertwined with "economic" issues. You can't just separate them and take the coward's way out by focusing solely on the easy stuff ("the economy, stupid") the way Daniels wants to do.
So how can you be an economic conservtaive without being a social conservative??? It goes hand in hand.
How long will economic livelihood stand while the moral and cultural foundations of our civilization are rotting away? We must fight on *all* fronts.
Mitch Daniels is still denying one of Indiana’s Congressional districts representation in the House....
Then the culture war is a joke.
I hope Daniels is slapped around by true conservatives over this until he cries like a girl.