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UK leader: We are 'deeply sorry' for Bloody Sunday
The Times of India ^ | 15 June 2010 | The Times of India

Posted on 06/15/2010 1:39:06 PM PDT by James C. Bennett

LONDON: British prime minister David Cameron apologized on behalf of his country Tuesday for the 1972 slaughter of 13 Catholic demonstrators in the Northern Ireland town of Londonderry, an outrage that became known as "Bloody Sunday."

In a solemn statement to the British House of Commons, Cameron said that a mammoth, 12-year investigation into the killings left no doubt that the soldiers confronting crowds of Catholic demonstrators in Londonderry's hard-line Bogside district mowed down unarmed protesters without provocation.

"What happened on Bloody Sunday was both unjustified and unjustifiable. It was wrong," Cameron said, as a crowd watching him from Londonderry burst into cheers and applause.

Cameron prefaced his remarks by saying he was a patriot and a strong supporter of the British Army, but said "you do not defend the British Army by defending the indefensible."

He said the 190 million pound ($280 million) report contained "shocking conclusions to read" and that he was "deeply sorry" for what happened.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: basque; britain; catholic; ireland; irish; irishlist; scot; scotchirish; scoti; scotland; scots; slaughter
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1 posted on 06/15/2010 1:39:07 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

If the Brits were truly apologetic they would get out of N. Ireland.


2 posted on 06/15/2010 1:41:37 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Not going to happen.


3 posted on 06/15/2010 1:43:35 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
While he's at it, he ought to apologize for centuries of British tyranny in Ireland!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
4 posted on 06/15/2010 1:44:04 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Amen! I often correct people when they say the Palestinian’s are the longest occupied people because they are not the Irish are.


5 posted on 06/15/2010 1:44:28 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Agreed. The Brits should have left N. Ireland after WWi, just saying.


6 posted on 06/15/2010 1:45:26 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: James C. Bennett

Does the report indicate who is responsible for the decision/order to shoot?

If so, are any of them still alive?

If so, if he was truly sorry he would be pushing to try them for murder.


7 posted on 06/15/2010 1:45:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Where are the reparations payments?


8 posted on 06/15/2010 1:49:20 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The western half of NI is Irish majority, while the Eastern half, except Belfast, is British majority. Maybe they should give Ireland the western half only.


9 posted on 06/15/2010 1:58:19 PM PDT by Greg123456
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Hey, what about us Picts?


10 posted on 06/15/2010 1:59:10 PM PDT by Clioman (wHAT)
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To: Greg123456

No, give Ireland all of Ireland. Let the Brits live in Britain.


11 posted on 06/15/2010 2:03:29 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
"No, give Ireland all of Ireland. Let the Brits live in Britain."

With Guinness being an aphrodisiac the relative birth rates the Catholics will soon have a sufficient voting majority to merge with Ireland.

12 posted on 06/15/2010 3:57:40 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: James C. Bennett
If the Brits were truly apologetic they would get out of N. Ireland.

Not going to happen.

It will happen whether they want it or not. It's just a matter of time.

13 posted on 06/15/2010 7:03:19 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo

Demographics has been altered.


14 posted on 06/15/2010 7:16:42 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: vladimir998
No, give Ireland all of Ireland. Let the Brits live in Britain.

America would be less than half its size if we gave back what we took from the Spanish, the Natives, the Mexicans, etc. Every country has land they took from others long ago. Gee whiz. I know I'm biased because my homies were some of those Scots who took land from the Irish.
15 posted on 06/16/2010 12:51:53 PM PDT by Greg123456
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To: Greg123456

And the Irish probably just stole the land from somebody else before then.

People have been stealing land since Adam and Eve, get over it.


16 posted on 06/16/2010 12:56:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Greg123456

You wrote:

“America would be less than half its size if we gave back what we took from the Spanish, the Natives, the Mexicans, etc.”

Bad analogy. 1) There are no Spaniards here (except for Americans of Spanish descent). The Irish on the other hand are in their own native land and are still Irish and always will be. 2) Most of the “Natives” are long since dead. Entire native nations died out. The Irish are still around and they are in their native land. 3) The Mexicans have Mexico - which was not the original owner of any US territory or even the secondary owner of any US territory. Before the Mexicans were a host of native peoples and then the Spanish. The Irish on the other hand were the owners from the beginning of written history and were the owners when the British invaded. They Northern Irish never ceded the territory and have never given up their claim to it.

“Every country has land they took from others long ago. Gee whiz. I know I’m biased because my homies were some of those Scots who took land from the Irish.”

And the Irish will get the land back. It is inevitable.


17 posted on 06/16/2010 2:19:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

As long as the protestants keep using birth control at rates higher than Catholics, the trend will continue and Catholics will be a majority by 2050. As it stands right now, the Brits are trying to figure out a way to get out of Ireland without too much violence.

18 posted on 06/16/2010 6:37:18 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo

You wrote:

“As it stands right now, the Brits are trying to figure out a way to get out of Ireland without too much violence.”

I don’t think they’re trying to figure a way out. And I don’t thik they’re all that worried about violence either. There was very little violence against Protestants in the south when the Brits left there. Even today the Protestants in the south control many of the financial institutions, industries, etc. If there is violence in the north, it will be because the Catholics have been poorly treated for centuries (with Bloody Sunday an example of such treatment).


19 posted on 06/17/2010 3:14:59 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

I don’t think they’re worried about violence against the protestants. It is the protestant paramilitaries attacking Catholics that they are worried about.


20 posted on 06/17/2010 6:10:09 AM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo

You don’t think the Catholics and the Irish government would take care of that themselves? Seriously, how long would the “protestant paramilitaries” last in a united Ireland? How long did the IRA really last in Ireland after the civil war? Not very long - and the Protestants would have nowhere to go, nowhere to hide, nowhere to get arms or equipment, etc.


21 posted on 06/17/2010 6:22:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

I don’t think the protestant paramilitaries will last very long, but when a group is cornered they will either fight or roll over. The paramilitaries have shown that they will fight; and the violence that they have inflicted in the past is greater than anything the IRA ever did, albeit they had police and British military backing and that won’t exist to the same degree this next time around.


22 posted on 06/17/2010 8:26:24 AM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: James C. Bennett; Jack Hydrazine

Not while the people of Northern Ireland want to be part of the UK.


23 posted on 06/24/2010 7:22:10 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Natural Law

Little known fact. The hops that go into guinness are grown in England. Always have been.


24 posted on 06/24/2010 7:24:28 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: vladimir998
Not a perfect analogy, but you took land from the Mexicans, as a result of the 1848 war. Quite a lot of land actuall. And you took land from the native americans. The fact that they're all dead doesnt alter the principle.

Anyway, it wasnt the British who invaded Ireland. It was the Normans. Right?

25 posted on 06/24/2010 7:30:27 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: grand wazoo
This is not a dead issue. As a result, quite a lot of people could get very dead if things start to turn nasty again. As evidence... The Ulster Covenant BEING CONVINCED in our consciences that Home Rule would be disastrous to the material well-being of Ulster as well as of the whole of Ireland, subversive of our civil and religious freedom, destructive of our citizenship, and perilous to the unity of the Empire, we, whose names are underwritten, men of Ulster, loyal subjects of His Gracious Majesty King George V., humbly relying on the God whom our fathers in days of stress and trial confidently trusted, do hereby pledge ourselves in solemn Covenant, throughout this our time of threatened calamity, to stand by one another in defending, for ourselves and our children, our cherished position of equal citizenship in the United Kingdom, and in using all means which may be found necessary to defeat the present conspiracy to set up a Home Rule Parliament in Ireland. And in the event of such a Parliament being forced upon us, we further solemnly and mutually pledge ourselves to refuse to recognize its authority. In sure confidence that God will defend the right, we hereto subscribe our names. And further, we individually declare that we have not already signed this Covenant.

The Declaration (for women) We, whose names are underwritten, women of Ulster, and loyal subjects of our gracious King, being firmly persuaded that Home Rule would be disastrous to our Country, desire to associate ourselves with the men of Ulster in their uncompromising opposition to the Home Rule Bill now before Parliament, whereby it is proposed to drive Ulster out of her cherished place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom, and to place her under the domination and control of a Parliament in Ireland. Praying that from this calamity God will save Ireland, we here to subscribe our names.

Nearly half a million Irish people signed that declaration when the British Parliament voted to grant independence (home rule) to Ireland in 1912-3. Some of them signed it in their own blood. One of the few good things about WWI is that it forestalled a full scale civil war in Ireland.

26 posted on 06/24/2010 7:42:05 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

You wrote:

“Not a perfect analogy, but you took land from the Mexicans, as a result of the 1848 war.”

I’ve never taken a single inch of land from anyone.

“Quite a lot of land actuall. And you took land from the native americans.”

Again, I’ve never taken a single square inch of land from anyone, ever, anywhere.

“The fact that they’re all dead doesnt alter the principle.”

What principle? The Brits recognized Irish independence. Is that not a principle? How then could they keep a major Irish population ON THE ISLE OF IRELAND from being part of that nation on their own island?

“Anyway, it wasnt the British who invaded Ireland. It was the Normans. Right?”

No. The Normans were merely first. The English (English and Scots really) came in the 16th and 17th centuries and brutalized the Irish.


27 posted on 06/24/2010 7:44:58 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Vanders9

Is it because the welfare and other government bennies are too good to pass up for those Irish that want the UK to stay in N. Ireland?


28 posted on 06/24/2010 8:32:23 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Vanders9
The majority of the population in the northern counties of Ireland will choose to join the Republic. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but sometime in the not too distant future.

That will be the end of British rule.

If the protestant paramilitaries don't have the support of the British military, they will be finished. They were always hooligans anyways and the British will be glad to be rid of them.

29 posted on 06/24/2010 3:38:58 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: Jack Hydrazine
If the Brits were truly apologetic they would get out of N. Ireland.

Northern Ireland is part of Britian, and the majority wants it that way . . . at least for now.

I wonder if the Irish Republic really wants to add all those Unionists to its citizenry?

30 posted on 06/24/2010 3:42:15 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Mah-tovu 'ohaleykha, Ya`aqov; mishkenoteykha, Yisra'el!)
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To: vladimir998
Let the Brits live in Britain.

There are no 'Brits', they're English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

31 posted on 06/24/2010 3:43:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
There are no 'Brits', they're English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

All of which are British people

32 posted on 06/24/2010 3:52:08 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo

But some Irish are Brits, so you’re going to kick them out of their own country?


33 posted on 06/24/2010 3:57:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Irish could always encourage the Unionists to move to back to to Britain.


34 posted on 06/24/2010 4:18:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dfwgator
There are no 'Brits', they're English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

But some Irish are Brits, so you’re going to kick them out of their own country?

They would all cease to be "British" and would be citizens of Ireland. If they wanted to remain "British", they could move to a country that is ruled by the crown. The same deal they made with the Irish.

Why don't you want the Irish to have the same right to self rule as everyone else?

35 posted on 06/24/2010 4:30:17 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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The Irish could always encourage the Unionists to move to back to to Britain.

The point being that the majority in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the UK. Well, that and the IRA being nothing but a bunch of Communist terrorists, of course.

36 posted on 06/24/2010 6:14:55 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Mah-tovu 'ohaleykha, Ya`aqov; mishkenoteykha, Yisra'el!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

And when the IRA made peace with the UK the IRA received government jobs.


37 posted on 06/24/2010 6:17:38 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: grand wazoo

The Irish have their own country, I think allowing Northern Ireland was a good compromise.


38 posted on 06/24/2010 8:03:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
And when the entire island is united under the Republic of Ireland, things will be as they should.

Call it Manifest Destiny.

39 posted on 06/24/2010 8:21:08 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The IRA are a bunch of Commies.


40 posted on 06/24/2010 8:24:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ConorMacNessa
While he's at it, he ought to apologize for centuries of British tyranny in Ireland!

Arrogant of you. What about Scotland?

41 posted on 06/24/2010 8:25:46 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: dfwgator

You forgot the Manx. :)


42 posted on 06/24/2010 8:46:12 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
I know you PERSONALLY have never taken a single inch of land from anyone. Neither have I (not that it matters). Our ancestors bequeath the world to us, both good and bad.

What principle? The Brits recognized Irish independence. Is that not a principle? How then could they keep a major Irish population ON THE ISLE OF IRELAND from being part of that nation on their own island?

Because a majority of the people on that part of Ireland did not WANT to be part of that nation. Violently did not. You might equally say that the British recognised American independence but then kept a major part of the population ON THE CONTINENT OF AMERICA from being part of that nation (Canada). The principle is called "self-determination".

No. The Normans were merely first. The English (English and Scots really) came in the 16th and 17th centuries and brutalized the Irish.

But it was the Normans who got the "English" involved in Ireland in the first place. There would have been no Pale to maintain and defend in the 16th and 17th centuries if the Normans hadnt gotten us involved. Prior to that, it was the Irish who attacked mainland Britain. Irish raids on the west coast were a major nuisance for five centuries or more.

43 posted on 06/25/2010 12:38:50 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I'm sure that's a motive for a proportion, but no, generally they don't. It's actual conviction.

BTW a very large number of "nationalist" Irish skipped over the border and waved Tricolors when WW2 broke out, claiming they were citizens of the Republic and hence not liable for military service. They and their descendents were subsequently all too ready to come back and be British so they could claim generous UK welfare benefits (while at the same time pushing for a United Ireland). Its no wonder the demographics are working for them.

44 posted on 06/25/2010 12:46:13 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: dfwgator

Not at first, but yes, eventually the communists infiltrated the organisation and took it over.


45 posted on 06/25/2010 12:47:23 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: grand wazoo

Yes, driving the protestants out of Ireland helps as well. Tens of thousands fled the violence.


46 posted on 06/25/2010 12:48:20 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: vladimir998; Glenn
And the welsh, the indians (colonial oppression), pakistanis (ditto), Afghans (ditto), russians (crimean war), turks (WW1), germans (WW1, WW2), french (Joan of arc ets), afghans (again), french (again), Americans (war of independence), Icelanders (cod wars), Iraq (gulf war), french (yet again), Australians (all those convicts we deported over there), argentinians (falklands war), South Africans (boer war), Yemenis (colony), french (just to make sure), Italians (WW2), Jews (because everyone has been mean to them at some time), poles (leaving them to the russians), finns (ditto), Spanish (holding onto Gibraltar), Chinese (opium wars and hong kong), Japanese (WW2), New Zealand (because they dont like to be left out), kenya (mau-mau uprising), the French yet again (trashing their fleet at oran in WW2), and finally America (BP oil spill).

Gentlemen. England has, at one time or another, been short of stability, cash, technology, ideas and military might. But the one thihg we are NEVER short of is enemies :)

47 posted on 06/25/2010 1:09:40 AM PDT by Vanders9
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You wrote:

“Because a majority of the people on that part of Ireland did not WANT to be part of that nation. Violently did not.”

And yet soon they will. The majority is now changing - in fact some people believe it already has. So, will the UK give up Northern Ireland to Ireland when Northern Ireland is majority Irish?

“You might equally say that the British recognised American independence but then kept a major part of the population ON THE CONTINENT OF AMERICA from being part of that nation (Canada). The principle is called “self-determination”.”

Incorrect. The principle is called violent revolution. The Americans won it and the British lost it. We even chased the pro-British Tories out off their own property at times to make sure we won and didn’t have later problems. So, if the Irish use that principle - violent revolution - then it’s okay, right? Oh, wait...

“But it was the Normans who got the “English” involved in Ireland in the first place. There would have been no Pale to maintain and defend in the 16th and 17th centuries if the Normans hadnt gotten us involved.”

Us? There ain’t no “us” in this between you and me. And you were still wrong. The “pale” was not in the north.

“Prior to that, it was the Irish who attacked mainland Britain. Irish raids on the west coast were a major nuisance for five centuries or more.”

And teh Anglo-Saxons were raiders themselves.


48 posted on 06/25/2010 4:26:14 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Glenn
He should apologize for that, too.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
49 posted on 06/25/2010 9:56:22 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Vanders9
Yes, driving the protestants out of Ireland helps as well. Tens of thousands fled the violence.

The protestants want it both ways. Aggressors and victims. If they fled violence it was violence perpetrated by their own people.

The Catholics in the Republic have never treated the protestants with the same kind of brutality that the Brits/protestants in the north treated Catholics.

50 posted on 06/25/2010 2:28:58 PM PDT by grand wazoo
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