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Guns and Free Speech (The NRA sells out to the Dems and aids their re-election)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | June 16, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 06/15/2010 6:43:01 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

The National Rifle Association is suffering a sudden onset of amnesia this week, as the gun lobby cuts a deal to exempt itself from the latest Congressional attempt to repeal the First Amendment. NRA members may soon regret the organization's bid to ingratiate itself with Democrats at the expense of its longtime free-speech allies.

The campaign finance bill, sponsored by Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Chris Van Hollen, is the Democratic response to the Supreme Court's January decision in Citizens United v. FEC, which restored the First Amendment right of corporations, unions and nonprofits to make independent campaign expenditures. At the time, the NRA's Wayne LaPierre called Citizens United "a defeat for arrogant elitists who wanted to carve out free speech as a privilege for themselves and deny it to the rest of us."

Look who's arrogant and elitist now. Under the Schumer-Van Hollen bill, political speech would be bound up with new restrictions, including special burdens on government contractors and corporations that have a certain level of foreign ownership or received TARP funds. The bill also includes disclosure rules designed to hit corporations, requiring CEOs to appear to "approve this message" the way politicians do, and for groups to identify their donors. Except for the NRA.

Under the NRA carve-out in the House bill, the new rules won't apply to any organizations that have been around for more than 10 years, have more than a million members and receive less than 15% of their funding from corporate donors. That fits the NRA nicely, though as best we can figure, everyone else, from the Sierra Club to Planned Parenthood, fails to qualify. So much for defending the little guy against the fat cats.

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I hope every NRA member is making their extreme displeasure felt at this outright sell out to the Democrats and our first amendment protections.
1 posted on 06/15/2010 6:43:02 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m glad I never was with the NRA, I’m with Gun Owners of America, they will never compromise our rights.


2 posted on 06/15/2010 6:45:34 PM PDT by guitar Josh
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To: St. Louis Conservative

http://gunowners.org/


3 posted on 06/15/2010 6:46:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

bttt


4 posted on 06/15/2010 6:47:59 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Communism has arrived in Washington)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This horsesh!t.

I’m a NRA Life member. I challenge anyone of you to say that we are not pro America. We don’t care which side of the aisle you sit on. If you are for the 2nd Amendment and free speech we will support you.

Unlike other post, you can’t be for the above and against other freedoms outlined in the Bill of Rights. period.


5 posted on 06/15/2010 6:51:53 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m a long time NRA member, but I just pay the dues, not the extra they continually ask for. I also support the VSSA (Virginia Shooting Sports Assoc). I think everyone should find some gun org to support.


6 posted on 06/15/2010 6:55:37 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Yeah the NRA endorsed STRICKLAND...I wont be renewing my instructor cert and I will be letting them know why.


7 posted on 06/15/2010 7:04:02 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: Crim

I heard they are also backing Reid in NV.


8 posted on 06/15/2010 7:08:03 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

They ALWAYS support the incumbent if they are pro-gun. Reid knows how to vote usually on guns. Do I like what the NRA has done. NO. That my friends is politics. It is not Sunday School. And no it is NOT consistent or a respectful position the NRA has taken.


9 posted on 06/15/2010 7:15:17 PM PDT by therut
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To: Red_Devil 232

I wonder if they’ve been infiltrated...standard tactic...undermine from within.


10 posted on 06/15/2010 7:20:37 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

have been a life member since the 60’s and when i read about this i am seriously considering dropping my membership and going with the goa.


11 posted on 06/15/2010 7:25:03 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The NRA has been a sell-out for a while.


12 posted on 06/15/2010 7:26:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: 23 Everest

Harry Reid got their endorsement.

Harry Reid supports anti-gun judges, gov’t funding to groups that oppose gun rights.... etc

He’s pro-gun like Stupak was pro-life.


13 posted on 06/15/2010 7:27:55 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

bump


14 posted on 06/15/2010 7:28:16 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I became extremely annoyed with the NRA in the early 1970's.

They have so much money and think they have so much clout that they think they have to work both sides of the fence.

Screw that.

15 posted on 06/15/2010 7:28:58 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: GeronL

Eh, that’s a bit of a stretch GeronL. When was it they gave him a A rating?


16 posted on 06/15/2010 7:34:39 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m a longtime life member but I actually stopped donating money back in the late 90’s.


17 posted on 06/15/2010 7:34:52 PM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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To: 23 Everest
I’m a NRA Life member. I challenge anyone of you to say that we are not pro America. We don’t care which side of the aisle you sit on. If you are for the 2nd Amendment and free speech we will support you.

Your organization has entered into an unholy alliance at the expense of your fellow Americans freedoms. The NRA has aligned itself with the very group who seek to destroy our Constitutional form of government. You couldn't be more naive if you honestly think these flaming socialists will not come after your guns because the NRA has capitulated to the whims of flaming socialists and marxists.

Read the article at the following link to see how they plan to confiscate the guns of all Americans. The NRA will end up with nothing. You have done a disservice to the country.

U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban
18 posted on 06/15/2010 7:35:01 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: 23 Everest

I bet you feel really ashamed of them for selling out. Giving up the birthright of freedome for a mess of potage. What a shame!


19 posted on 06/15/2010 7:37:43 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Man50D

Does this mean I have to give my NRA pocket knife back?

Really, they are against Feinstein and Boxer in CA. and that’s all I need right now.


20 posted on 06/15/2010 7:41:45 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: 23 Everest

so I suppose the nra allowing the muslim terrorist front group CAIR’s agenda setter, lobbist, fund raiser and head heavy hitter, grover norquist, to ALSO serve as an nra board member for years, (with their FULL knowledge of his anti American activities), is just fine with you huh?


21 posted on 06/15/2010 7:42:07 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: donmeaker
AS a matter of fact donmeaker I don’t. Everywhere I wear a NRA hand I’m greeted with distain or accolades. I’ve had many discussions with people that are pro-gun 2nd Amendment.

I think this whole thing is BS from people and groups jealous of the clout the NRA has and wants it. Sorry spell check not working tonite.

22 posted on 06/15/2010 7:46:08 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: 23 Everest
Does this mean I have to give my NRA pocket knife back?

No. You can keep it as a reminder who the NRA stabbed their fellow Americans in the back.

Really, they are against Feinstein and Boxer in CA. and that’s all I need right now.

Great. Meanwhile They will push the Disclose Act down our throats to eliminate our first Amendment rights to stifle any dissent and take away your guns via the U.N. That's very comforting. The NRA's selfish and shortsighted strategy will earn them zip. You've been scammed by socialists/marxists.
23 posted on 06/15/2010 7:47:12 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: bobby.223

Where are you getting this crap?


24 posted on 06/15/2010 7:47:42 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: Man50D

You showed your hand! We are totally against the UN and their attempt to take over 2nd Amendment rights.

You Lose!


25 posted on 06/15/2010 7:49:36 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: Man50D

You showed your hand! We are totally against the UN and their attempt to take over 2nd Amendment rights.

You Lose!


26 posted on 06/15/2010 7:49:46 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I did earlier today. I let them know I will not be renewing my membership.


27 posted on 06/15/2010 7:53:08 PM PDT by chickenlips
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To: 23 Everest

for crying out loud! your kidding, right? do your homework, the CAIR/norquist/NRA connection is no secret and has not been for a few years. good God!


28 posted on 06/15/2010 7:53:29 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: 23 Everest
You showed your hand! We are totally against the UN and their attempt to take over 2nd Amendment rights.

You Lose!


Why do you think the socialists agreed to the NRA stipulation? The answer is they have no intention of honoring their word anymore more than BO/BS honors his word! They are using the U/N to do an end run around the Constitution and your organization unwittingly just helped them move one step closer to their marxist agenda! How naive can you people be? I won't lose. All Americans will lose because of the ignorance and greed of you people!
29 posted on 06/15/2010 7:54:21 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: 23 Everest

I regret that the NRA felt more concern about other pro-gun organizations than they did about the right of those other organizations to have free speech.

And so they sold out. What a pity. A great force for good has given itself a “Glock racing stripe”.


30 posted on 06/15/2010 7:57:16 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Man50D

I guess you don’t have a subscription to America’s 1st Freedom. And don’t call me ignorant & don’t call me greedy even though I am a capitalist.

We argued against the bitch that represented the UN in this debate showcasing our opposition. There’s even a video, check it out.


31 posted on 06/15/2010 8:01:13 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: bobby.223

Bobby.223 if you think any NRA member is cozy with a mooslim you need to check your meds dude, you’re over medicated.


32 posted on 06/15/2010 8:16:05 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: donmeaker

donmeaker, go to gun show, you’ll feel better. But I got the feeling that you don’t even know the working end of a pistol. Tell me I’m wrong.


33 posted on 06/15/2010 8:17:51 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: 23 Everest

to much for you to look it up? it is on the record. okay sonny have it your way, you kids know it all.


34 posted on 06/15/2010 8:30:02 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The NRA is selling out first amendment rights just because they have been exempted this time. A long fought Supreme Court ruling to get rid of infringement of their freedom of speech as well as everyone elses.

LaPierre is bugging the hell out of me lately, he goes out on Tea Party Rally Day in Searchlight, Nevada to meet with Harry Body Odor Reid. Reid may not be as anti-gun as other Dems but he did nothing to pass Thune’s bill last year.


35 posted on 06/15/2010 8:33:29 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: bobby.223

Hey Gramps, what was it about the meds thing you didn’t like?

Read America’s 1st Freedom mag. You can check it out online @NRA.COM

by the way son, I’m older than dirt. Gotta go teach my 11th granddaughter firearm safety tomorrow. Do you need help?


36 posted on 06/15/2010 8:50:23 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: Steelers6

link me to a news source.


37 posted on 06/15/2010 8:52:55 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: 23 Everest

okay sure! the/your ‘dude’ thing gave you away tho. anyone over 35 years old does not use ‘dude’. that is how children talk. so go ahead anyway tho, once again, one more time, do your homework on the once great nra, look up grover/CAIR/nra. start, (many other articles on this scandal tho), with debbie schlussel’s 8/7/2008 article. “nra had a spy in gun control group...muslims have a spy in the nra”. you might learn something...


38 posted on 06/15/2010 9:05:48 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Red_Devil 232
I heard they are also backing Reid in NV.

AND Juan "Lettuce" McShame here in Arizona. For shame!

39 posted on 06/15/2010 10:15:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
One more time...

The "R" in NRA stands for "Rifle", not "Republican".

As an NRA member, I want the organization to look out for my best interests; not the GOP's. And if memory serves, the last time we got campaign finance reform, it was pushed by a Republican senator and signed into law by a Republican president. Now those same Republicans want the NRA to sell out its members so that the GOP can raise more campaign money.

I don't think so.

40 posted on 06/15/2010 10:24:39 PM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
...as the gun lobby cuts a deal to exempt itself from the latest Congressional attempt to repeal the First Amendment.

I was just reading the NRA alert e-mail a few hours ago and this was exactly the impression I got too. Disgusting.

41 posted on 06/15/2010 10:29:59 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: 23 Everest
I guess you don’t have a subscription to America’s 1st Freedom.

I had a subscription but I didn't renew given the NRA's direction.

And don’t call me ignorant & don’t call me greedy even though I am a capitalist.

Any individual or group who is willing to sacrifice their fellow Americans first Amendment rights for that person's or group's own personal gain is one or both. Would you take the same affirmative position if a group was willing to sacrifice your second Amendment rights with the socialists so they could protect their first Amendment rights?
42 posted on 06/16/2010 3:40:58 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Redcloak
As an NRA member, I want the organization to look out for my best interests; not the GOP's.

This issue goes beyond a political party. It involves the first Amendment rights of all Americans. Many if not all those who are NRA members will have their first Amendment rights sacrificed rights as individuals so the NRA can maintain its second Amendment rights. Sacrificing one right for another will only lead to the destruction of all rights for all individuals. Self interest is the mechanism by which socialists seek to divide the country. They did it with bribes to Senators to support the unconstitutional Obamacare and they have now done it with the NRA.

By your line of reasoning it would be acceptable for another group to sacrifice Americans second Amendment rights in order for a group to preserve its first Amendment rights.
43 posted on 06/16/2010 3:50:58 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

The treaty won’t be ratified in Congress. For that matter, few cops would try to enforce it.


44 posted on 06/16/2010 4:34:12 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 23 Everest

Too bad for you. I guess you are one of those who feel no shame.


45 posted on 06/16/2010 4:57:46 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Man50D
By your line of reasoning it would be acceptable for another group to sacrifice Americans second Amendment rights in order for a group to preserve its first Amendment rights.

But that is precisely what you are asking the NRA to do. You expect them to sell out their members' right to keep and bear arms to serve some other purpose.

The NRA is a single issue advocacy group. It is not some sort of conservative political action committee nor is it a wing of the Republican Party. The NRA has the tremendous influence it does because it stays narrowly focused on one issue. It doesn't wander off topic to go serve the whims of the GOP or whatever conservative group to address issues unrelated to the Second Amendment. It is neither conservative nor liberal; neither Republican nor Democrat. Thus the NRA has influence on both sides of the aisle.

To the extent that the First Amendment affects the Second, the NRA's sole obligation is to the membership. They have protected the rights of their members under this bill and thus their work is done.

46 posted on 06/16/2010 8:16:36 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: bobby.223
the/your ‘dude’ thing gave you away tho. anyone over 35 years old does not use ‘dude’. that is how children talk.

Please. I'm pushin' 50, and I'll use "dude" for effect. And if the guy's up to his keister in grandchildren, you gotta expect he'd pick up on the lingo.

Have an eggcellent day, bra!

47 posted on 06/16/2010 9:07:51 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: Man50D

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—


48 posted on 06/16/2010 5:46:03 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: donmeaker

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—


49 posted on 06/16/2010 5:47:35 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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To: bobby.223

STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

Tuesday, June 15, 2010

The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.

-—nra-—


50 posted on 06/16/2010 5:48:53 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance. Day 57)
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