Skip to comments.Schools have less jurisdiction off property
Posted on 06/15/2010 6:47:18 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
Two teen murderers from New Hampshire were NOT expelled from their high school despite murdering a woman last year. The school system in the state is looking into whether or not they are permitted to expel students for something like this.
Have to ask why a school would even be debating this. I thought New Hampshire was a "live free or die" state. Is this what the education system has come to?
“Two teen murderers from New Hampshire were NOT expelled from their high school despite murdering a woman last year. The school system in the state is looking into whether or not they are permitted to expel students for something like this.”
I think I’ve found the best reason to homeschool in the ping’s history, You agree?
School rules today should include “convicted felons ineligible for class attendance”, especially in inner-city schools. So many teen gang members, convicted felons, drug-dealers, etc. are there these days that allowing them into classrooms invites illegal activity, or even murder.
I would guess they have not been convicted yet? If not why would they not be in jail?
Did they use any racists or sexist speech while committing the murder, or possess a pocketknife or an aspirin? There’s zero tolerance for that.
Technically, if they didn’t commit the crime on the school campus, it isn’t the school’s place to do that. I’ve seen kids who committed lesser offenses back in school the following day after their arrest (mom or dad posts bail, court date set sometime in the future, etc.). In this case, it sounds like the “students” should be in jail awaiting trial anyway, which should make an expulsion a moot point.
They haven’t yet but from what I’ve read two have plead guilty. The two students who weren’t expelled both plead not guilty and are awaiting trial.
How odd? Earlier we had schools punishing student for things they did at home like:
1. fights with other students
2. facebook postings
Now we have a school unable to remove students who have committed off campus murders?
It’s like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand the school should expel kids for murder however we don’t want school officials behaving like the nanny state and expelling kids for everything and anything off school grounds like they get involved in kid’s lives.
Schools are responsible for the safety and welfare of their students - they should have the right to expel when necessary ...
What next ??? Allowing teachers who have sex with students [off school property] to keep their jobs ???
New New Hampshire state motto: “Live free from accountability or die trying.”
When in Massachusetts they hang you for smoking in a public place but probably let as many convicted felons in their school system as possible.
New Hampshire isn’t perfect but it certainly beats an all-out nanny state like Massachusetts. A friend of mine lived in both and can’t begin to explain what a difference there is just by crossing a border.
It really should be a moot point. Why are they even out of prison, and in a position to attend school? They belong in a prison-based GED program.
I agree completely. Yet these are the same kind of school administrators that expel students for leaving plastic butter knives visible in their cars.
We really can’t expect them to apply common sense to any situation, either in the best interest of student liberty, rights, or in this case safety. Big catch 22.
I thought that the student body I dealt with was bad.
Even CA expells these students.
Their in prison of course but the point is they were NEVER formally expelled from school.
It is a catch-22 because on one hand if I had kids I would want their school keeping scumbags out. However I want the main function of school to be teaching my kids math and english not telling them they can’t play with knives off school grounds like the school officials are playing surrogate parents.
Expel them? The school didn’t have the guts to remove the killers from the yearbook!
Well, “expulsion” from school is generally related to activities during school or school-based extracurricular activities. I’m not sure what would be accomplished by having educrats jump through some administrative hoops to formally “expel” these students, as long as there’s no risk of their actually returning to a regular school. It’s not like the absence of an expulsion on their school transcripts is going to give them a leg up on future employment or college admission — failing to complete regular high school because you were away serving a prison term for murder is kind of a deal killer for any meaningful employment or post-secondary education.
I heard. Shows the way the New Hampshire school system functions. I thought New Hampshire was conservative. What went wrong?
Souhegan High School is in Amherst, a white affluent liberal town in southern NH.
Same town whose middle school hosted a Saudi Night in 2007:
And where American teachers instruct their American students on how to be good Muslims:
“Hrmm... well I see here you did a few years for murder... hrmm... member of the debate club very good... wait! What’s this? You don’t have a diploma or GED? This interview is over!”
Since when were there liberals in New Hampshire? What happened to “live free or die?”
Where have you been?
In the NH State Senate and House, the 2006 election gave Democrats majority control of both chambers for the first time since 1874, 14-10 in the Senate and 239-161 in the House. (Wikipedia)
The Governor, one Senator, and both Congresscritters are Dems.
The collapse of The Old Man Of the Mountain in 2003 was an omen...
I have to ask if the school would be able to get away with this if there weren’t any Dems in office there. If New Hampshire had a GOP legislature all four of those bastards would have been hung by now.
The murder was a shock to the folks who though they’d be safe away from the city.
I work with folks who were neighbors of the victims, whose teenagers were classmates of the perps, and who had the perps as guests in their homes when their kids were growing up.
So why is New Hampshire a haven for libs now? I thought the whole state was red through and through where you could carry a gun everywhere and not get stopped by cops.
Agreed. I don’t want the school to be involved in things off campus. Take your kid to a firing range? Expulsion. Your child takes a tylenol without a doctors script? Expulsion or suspension. He has a fight with the neighbor’s kid? Expulsion or suspension. The legal system needs to deal with legal problems not the school.
School is school, public is public.
One of the young men has pleaded guilty, I have no problem with him being expelled for his crime. The other, charged with murder, is still awaiting trial. Expulsion is improper until he is found guilty.
In any case, the young men are in jail so they don’t present any threat to the school. This is just a paper shuffle to see who will pay for the students GED.
Schools should not be playing nanny. But I’m still torn on whether or not the school should have expelled these dirtbags. But it probably is a moot point since both are in prison awaiting trial.
Yes. My question is why these kids are in school and not in jail.
It shouldn’t even be an issue.