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Posted on 06/15/2010 6:47:18 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271

Two teen murderers from New Hampshire were NOT expelled from their high school despite murdering a woman last year. The school system in the state is looking into whether or not they are permitted to expel students for something like this.

Have to ask why a school would even be debating this. I thought New Hampshire was a "live free or die" state. Is this what the education system has come to?


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1 posted on 06/15/2010 6:47:18 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime; bamahead

“Two teen murderers from New Hampshire were NOT expelled from their high school despite murdering a woman last year. The school system in the state is looking into whether or not they are permitted to expel students for something like this.”

I think I’ve found the best reason to homeschool in the ping’s history, You agree?


2 posted on 06/15/2010 6:49:04 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: citizenredstater9271

School rules today should include “convicted felons ineligible for class attendance”, especially in inner-city schools. So many teen gang members, convicted felons, drug-dealers, etc. are there these days that allowing them into classrooms invites illegal activity, or even murder.


3 posted on 06/15/2010 6:49:40 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: citizenredstater9271

I would guess they have not been convicted yet? If not why would they not be in jail?


4 posted on 06/15/2010 6:52:31 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Isn't enough always enough?)
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To: citizenredstater9271

Did they use any racists or sexist speech while committing the murder, or possess a pocketknife or an aspirin? There’s zero tolerance for that.


5 posted on 06/15/2010 6:54:30 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: citizenredstater9271

Technically, if they didn’t commit the crime on the school campus, it isn’t the school’s place to do that. I’ve seen kids who committed lesser offenses back in school the following day after their arrest (mom or dad posts bail, court date set sometime in the future, etc.). In this case, it sounds like the “students” should be in jail awaiting trial anyway, which should make an expulsion a moot point.


6 posted on 06/15/2010 6:54:47 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: ThomasThomas

They haven’t yet but from what I’ve read two have plead guilty. The two students who weren’t expelled both plead not guilty and are awaiting trial.


7 posted on 06/15/2010 6:56:11 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

How odd? Earlier we had schools punishing student for things they did at home like:

1. fights with other students
2. facebook postings

Now we have a school unable to remove students who have committed off campus murders?

Hmm.


8 posted on 06/15/2010 6:57:06 PM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who won't even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day.)
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To: citizenredstater9271
Reason eleventy brazillian and 43 why my kids are in a private Christian school that happens to be 24/7/365. ANYTHING they go at school or away from school they are held accountable by the school.
9 posted on 06/15/2010 7:01:22 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: JLS

It’s like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand the school should expel kids for murder however we don’t want school officials behaving like the nanny state and expelling kids for everything and anything off school grounds like they get involved in kid’s lives.


10 posted on 06/15/2010 7:01:54 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

Schools are responsible for the safety and welfare of their students - they should have the right to expel when necessary ...

What next ??? Allowing teachers who have sex with students [off school property] to keep their jobs ???


11 posted on 06/15/2010 7:04:41 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: citizenredstater9271

New New Hampshire state motto: “Live free from accountability or die trying.”


12 posted on 06/15/2010 7:12:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

When in Massachusetts they hang you for smoking in a public place but probably let as many convicted felons in their school system as possible.


13 posted on 06/15/2010 7:19:06 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

New Hampshire isn’t perfect but it certainly beats an all-out nanny state like Massachusetts. A friend of mine lived in both and can’t begin to explain what a difference there is just by crossing a border.


14 posted on 06/15/2010 7:20:12 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: Clintonfatigued; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...
Two teen murderers from New Hampshire were NOT expelled from their high school despite murdering a woman last year ... The school system in the state is looking into whether or not they are permitted to expel students for something like this.

Common sense in government education has died a really long, slow, painful death. Gruesome, isn't it?



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15 posted on 06/15/2010 7:35:38 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: citizenredstater9271

It really should be a moot point. Why are they even out of prison, and in a position to attend school? They belong in a prison-based GED program.


16 posted on 06/15/2010 7:39:56 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: citizenredstater9271

I agree completely. Yet these are the same kind of school administrators that expel students for leaving plastic butter knives visible in their cars.

We really can’t expect them to apply common sense to any situation, either in the best interest of student liberty, rights, or in this case safety. Big catch 22.


17 posted on 06/15/2010 7:43:45 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; ExTexasRedhead

I thought that the student body I dealt with was bad.


18 posted on 06/15/2010 7:44:50 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama's more worried about Israelis building houses than he is about Islamists building atomic bombs)
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To: traditional1
School rules today should include “convicted felons ineligible for class attendance”, especially in inner-city schools. So many teen gang members, convicted felons, drug-dealers, etc. are there these days that allowing them into classrooms invites illegal activity, or even murder.

Even CA expells these students.

19 posted on 06/15/2010 7:46:15 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Their in prison of course but the point is they were NEVER formally expelled from school.


20 posted on 06/15/2010 7:53:48 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271
Murdering and littering are the two reasons I have always advocated a closed campus policy for the High Schools .
21 posted on 06/15/2010 8:00:59 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: bamahead

It is a catch-22 because on one hand if I had kids I would want their school keeping scumbags out. However I want the main function of school to be teaching my kids math and english not telling them they can’t play with knives off school grounds like the school officials are playing surrogate parents.


22 posted on 06/15/2010 8:03:45 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

Expel them? The school didn’t have the guts to remove the killers from the yearbook!

http://www.wmur.com/news/23787851/detail.html


23 posted on 06/15/2010 8:04:07 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: citizenredstater9271

Well, “expulsion” from school is generally related to activities during school or school-based extracurricular activities. I’m not sure what would be accomplished by having educrats jump through some administrative hoops to formally “expel” these students, as long as there’s no risk of their actually returning to a regular school. It’s not like the absence of an expulsion on their school transcripts is going to give them a leg up on future employment or college admission — failing to complete regular high school because you were away serving a prison term for murder is kind of a deal killer for any meaningful employment or post-secondary education.


24 posted on 06/15/2010 8:04:33 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: kbennkc
This is the story.

Mont Vernon Murders

25 posted on 06/15/2010 8:05:21 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I heard. Shows the way the New Hampshire school system functions. I thought New Hampshire was conservative. What went wrong?


26 posted on 06/15/2010 8:06:36 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

Souhegan High School is in Amherst, a white affluent liberal town in southern NH.

Same town whose middle school hosted a Saudi Night in 2007:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1843358/posts

And where American teachers instruct their American students on how to be good Muslims:

http://nashuatelegraph.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=0&image=14804188&thispage=1


27 posted on 06/15/2010 8:13:29 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“Hrmm... well I see here you did a few years for murder... hrmm... member of the debate club very good... wait! What’s this? You don’t have a diploma or GED? This interview is over!”


28 posted on 06/15/2010 8:15:09 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Since when were there liberals in New Hampshire? What happened to “live free or die?”


29 posted on 06/15/2010 8:18:19 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

Where have you been?

In the NH State Senate and House, the 2006 election gave Democrats majority control of both chambers for the first time since 1874, 14-10 in the Senate and 239-161 in the House. (Wikipedia)

The Governor, one Senator, and both Congresscritters are Dems.

The collapse of The Old Man Of the Mountain in 2003 was an omen...


30 posted on 06/15/2010 8:30:44 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: citizenredstater9271
Live free or die? Maybe they’re still debating the question.
31 posted on 06/15/2010 8:38:34 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I have to ask if the school would be able to get away with this if there weren’t any Dems in office there. If New Hampshire had a GOP legislature all four of those bastards would have been hung by now.


32 posted on 06/15/2010 8:39:51 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

No kidding!

The murder was a shock to the folks who though they’d be safe away from the city.

I work with folks who were neighbors of the victims, whose teenagers were classmates of the perps, and who had the perps as guests in their homes when their kids were growing up.


33 posted on 06/15/2010 8:51:20 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

So why is New Hampshire a haven for libs now? I thought the whole state was red through and through where you could carry a gun everywhere and not get stopped by cops.


34 posted on 06/15/2010 9:04:23 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: citizenredstater9271

Agreed. I don’t want the school to be involved in things off campus. Take your kid to a firing range? Expulsion. Your child takes a tylenol without a doctors script? Expulsion or suspension. He has a fight with the neighbor’s kid? Expulsion or suspension. The legal system needs to deal with legal problems not the school.


35 posted on 06/16/2010 4:44:40 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

School is school, public is public.

One of the young men has pleaded guilty, I have no problem with him being expelled for his crime. The other, charged with murder, is still awaiting trial. Expulsion is improper until he is found guilty.

In any case, the young men are in jail so they don’t present any threat to the school. This is just a paper shuffle to see who will pay for the students GED.


36 posted on 06/16/2010 6:38:18 AM PDT by gtk
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To: momtothree

Schools should not be playing nanny. But I’m still torn on whether or not the school should have expelled these dirtbags. But it probably is a moot point since both are in prison awaiting trial.


37 posted on 06/16/2010 3:38:56 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: LibFreeOrDie
More New Hampshire school officials should be like this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KhOCptBTrg

38 posted on 06/16/2010 5:52:46 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes. My question is why these kids are in school and not in jail.

It shouldn’t even be an issue.


39 posted on 06/17/2010 4:52:04 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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