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Now Most Americans Think Gulf Wildlife And Beaches Will NEVER Recover
The Business Insider ^ | Gus Lubin

Posted on 06/16/2010 8:47:30 AM PDT by blam

Now Most Americans Think Gulf Wildlife And Beaches Will NEVER Recover

Gus Lubin
Jun. 16, 2010, 11:31 AM

Image: the sierra club

A new Gallup poll shows most people are very pessimistic about the oil spill.

59% of Americans say local wildlife will never cover. 49% say local beaches will never recover. Nearly everyone thinks wildlife and beaches will take more than ten years to recover.

Most people say the spill will hurt the economy (83%), push up gas prices (79%), and push up food prices (79%).

The polling numbers tell you everything you need to know about major publicity campaigns by BP, Barack Obama, and Florida.

(Read more: 18 Beaches That The Oil Spill May Ruin Forever)

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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agitprop; bp; fakebutaccurate; greenieweenies; gulfcoast; hyperbole; lyingliars; oilspill; recovery; revisionisthistory; sierraclub
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I wonder where the people in the picture are from? Southern and beach people wear light/white colored clothing this time of year.
1 posted on 06/16/2010 8:47:30 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Most Americans will believe whatever you tell them.

Oil is a natural substance. If they can get control of this leak, nature will rebound and in a few years there won’t be any sign that it happened.


2 posted on 06/16/2010 8:50:43 AM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

This is the problem with not teaching history in public schools. Lots more oil spilled off the east coast during WWII. No big deal. Time heals all.


3 posted on 06/16/2010 8:52:25 AM PDT by wizwor (webmaster danvilledelivery.com)
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To: blam

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593/648967


4 posted on 06/16/2010 8:53:02 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: blam
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/oilspills.htm

Nearly 85 percent of the 29 million gallons of petroleum that enter North American ocean waters each year as a result of human activities comes from land-based runoff, polluted rivers, airplanes, and small boats and jet skis, while less than 8 percent comes from tanker or pipeline spills.

Also

IXTOC 1. It was the biggest spill witha daily outflow of 30,000 barrels per day initially, dropping to 10,000 barrels per day. The flow was stopped after eight months and 3.5 million barrels were released into the Gulf of Mexico about 80 km offshore of Yucatan, Mexico in 1979.

We have seen it before. Revisionist history is used by those who seek to get man to accept CHANGE to socialist ends.

5 posted on 06/16/2010 8:53:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: blam

BS Alert...the Exxon Valdez spill was effectively gone in all ways in 8 years !


6 posted on 06/16/2010 8:54:11 AM PDT by bt579 (ANyone else tired of letting the gov't watch as Muslims colonize the greatest nation on Earth?)
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To: blam

THe Missippi River pors all sorts of s**t everyday into the gulf including thick silt at a level that is off the charts. Billions of gallons a day.

The spill is not good but every picture of Florida beaches shows some person raking up seaweed. Seaweed is not oil.


7 posted on 06/16/2010 8:54:21 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: All
Here's the full text of President Obama's speech about the BP disaster/gusher in the Gulf of Mexico ...

Obama's Remarks To Nation On Oil Spill [Full Text]


8 posted on 06/16/2010 8:55:58 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: blam
People are idiots.

Oil is a natural, though gooey and gross, substance. It is as natural as baby seals and hemp. It comes out of the ground occassionally. It makes a mess. Then it breaks down and fades away.

This mess will take a while, because it's a big mess.

9 posted on 06/16/2010 8:57:11 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: blam

“I wonder where the people in the picture are from”?

...various parents basements around the country.


10 posted on 06/16/2010 8:58:21 AM PDT by albie
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To: blam

Never? That can’t be. Dear leader said otherwise/s.


11 posted on 06/16/2010 8:59:18 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: blam

Its a mess but not the end of the world.

The Ixtoc well in Mexico put out a river of oil for almost a year. Made quite a mess along Texas beaches. Took a while to go away, but in time oil breaks down.


12 posted on 06/16/2010 9:01:59 AM PDT by marron
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To: a fool in paradise
You were saying ...

We have seen it before. Revisionist history is used by those who seek to get man to accept CHANGE to socialist ends.

This is what you don't see with natural seeps which are very low volume and highly diluted ...

With the government's figures of up to 60,000 barrels a day spewing into the Gulf of Mexico and then another person (who has been on the news before, saying that the spewing rate was a lot more than the 1,000 barrels a day that they started out saying in the beginning) -- he is saying that it's up to 120,000 barrels a day.

And then we have a "lake" where oil is actually burning out on top of the water, at a spot quite a distance from the drill site (many miles) and then the figure given out that there is a "lake of oil" in the Gulf of Mexico the size of about 40% of the entire Gulf, itself.

I'm sorry, but this is not "natural seepage" which is highly diluted by the time it impacts anything at all ...










13 posted on 06/16/2010 9:03:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: lurk

If the oil reaches the inland areas that the migrating waterfowl use it will have lasting effects on their populations.


14 posted on 06/16/2010 9:04:23 AM PDT by lakeman (,)
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To: blam

“Most Americans” were surprised by 9/11.


15 posted on 06/16/2010 9:04:50 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: a fool in paradise
From another FReeper's post in the following thread ...

BP Official Admits to Damage BENEATH THE SEA FLOOR

His post is Post #183 ...



The following information comes from recent measurements from the EPS and NOAA:

The Deepwater Horizon was an ultra-deep well, meaning that the well itself drilled down to as far as 18, to 25,000 feet, nearly throw the Earths crust, we could every well have hit a strata of oil or a Bathetic of oil. Oil at those depths can reach levels of pressure of 70,000lbs psi. There is no technology known that can handle that pressure. Normal psi for a well is 1,500psi.

What this is doing is eroding the pipe and the surrounding area and digging a bigger fissure, much like if you stick a high-pressure hose in the ground, only in this case from the bottom up. This is causing other streams to open up, hence why we're seeing plumbs appearing miles away from the original rupture.

But that isn't the worst part. As bad as the oil is it is biodegradable. Along with the oil, deadly gases are escaping at the following unprecedented levels (from resent EPA measurements).

Hydrogen Sulfide - safe level = 5-10 parts per billion.
What's been measured: 1,200 parts per billion.

Benzine - safe level = 0-4 parts per billion.
What's been measured: 3,000 parts per billion.

Metholine Chloride - safe level = 61 parts per billion.
What's been measured: 3,400 parts per billion.

These gases can cause massive health effects ranging from shortness of breath to cancer to death. In fact, we've seen some surface workers hospitalized.

Insiders are now saying that there now may be only one way to stop this monster: Nuke it. However there is no guarantee that this wouldn't make matters even worse by opening up even a bigger rupture or creating multiple fissures in the sea floor.

If nothing at all is done, there is reason to believe this rupture will go on for years, possibly decades.

And if this isn't bad enough, Corexit 9500, the dispersant being used, is many times more damaging than the oil itself. Its highly toxic. At the temperatures in the Gulf waters this toxicity is magnified and turns into a gas that can be picked up by clouds and return to Earth as a toxic rain. This "death from above" precipitation may have the ability to destroy life from micro organisms up through the entire entire ecosystem. So the chemical "solution" to the hydrocarbon Extinction Level Event may turn out to be a localized environmental holocaust.

I really wish I had been wrong about this.



Formatted a slight bit differently than in the post, itself ...

16 posted on 06/16/2010 9:05:27 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: blam

They’re asking the wrong people. Why would the average person know whether something like this is fixable or not?

When the Hubble telescope was broken, I remember taking a tour of JPL and being told there that corrections were being made and what they were. I related this to a co-worker and she laughed in my face, called me naive and said “they’ll never fix it.” Well, the Hubble has been in use with amazing results for a few years now.

Opinions coming from ignorance and discouragement are not that reliable, I think.


17 posted on 06/16/2010 9:05:48 AM PDT by married21
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To: Star Traveler

Zero’s fault...


18 posted on 06/16/2010 9:06:12 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: blam

The first couple hurricanes might just clean up the whole mess, as Mother Nature often does...


19 posted on 06/16/2010 9:09:29 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Frantzie
Seaweed is not oil.

We’d better check with the EPA on that:  EPA classifies milk as oil, forcing costly rules on farmers 

20 posted on 06/16/2010 9:09:46 AM PDT by TankerKC (This is the internet, not a court of law.)
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To: Star Traveler
Hydrogen Sulfide - safe level = 5-10 parts per billion.

I think those numbers are bogus. Just saying.
21 posted on 06/16/2010 9:09:47 AM PDT by ZX12R (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!)
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To: blam
Oh come on in the Gulf Coast heat the oil will break down over time. This isn't the cold waters of Alaska where the oil will turn into grease and sit there frozen forever. It might take a decade and cost billions to clean up the mess but 10 years and 60 billion dollars is a long way from never.

If Obama was actually a leader he would have used his speech to emphasize the difference between difficult and impossible. Instead he went for cap -n- tax and skittle pooping unicorn power projects. BTW the chances of those doing any good emphasize the impossible.
22 posted on 06/16/2010 9:11:19 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Star Traveler

The gulf will recover no matter how many pictures you post. There is still some oil in the ground from the Exxon Valdez but its breaking down. The environment has mostly recovered and will continue to recover just like the gulf will.


23 posted on 06/16/2010 9:11:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

The Earth will recover from a bunch of nuclear blasts too, sucks for the people, but the Earth will be fine.


24 posted on 06/16/2010 9:12:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TankerKC

If I were you I would think of changing my screen name. The feds might see it and try to classify and tax you as a hazmat waste containment vessel.


25 posted on 06/16/2010 9:14:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: married21

Excellent point. I am not qualified to make a decision on this issue and neither are most people.

Personally, I blame democracy. The idea that the average person’s vote is just as important as that of a highly educated person has somehow morphed into the idiotic notion that we’re all equally qualified on every issue.

As the immortal Will Rogers said, “We’re all ignorant, just about different things.” We ought to keep our traps closed on those subjects on which we’re ignorant.

They have some idiot housewife here in FL leading a campaign to force BP to use some cleanup method she thinks will work better. How she is qualified to make such a determination is beyond me. I heard an interview with her and her primary qualification appears to be that she used to live next door to an oil engineer.


26 posted on 06/16/2010 9:14:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: lurk
Most Americans will believe whatever you tell them.

Bingo! There is no reason to assume that what "most Americans think" has any relationship to reality at all.

How stupid is it, pretending this is "news"? Most people have incorrect beliefs regarding what has happened in the past and what is happening today. How much *more totally wrong* are they likely to be about what will happen in the future?

FReep, I need a drink already. Fortunately, it's midnight in Borneo ...

27 posted on 06/16/2010 9:14:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (A cat may look at a queen.)
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To: Star Traveler

How depressing.


28 posted on 06/16/2010 9:15:14 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: lurk

I wish I was as optimistic about the situation. Every time I see the pelicans, I almost cry.


29 posted on 06/16/2010 9:15:38 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Sherman Logan
Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.

James Madison.
30 posted on 06/16/2010 9:19:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: blam

I bet about half of them think that dead porpoises are gonna be washing up under the St. Louis Arch....


31 posted on 06/16/2010 9:20:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: who knows what evil?
You were saying ...

Zero’s fault...

The very lax cleanup efforts are related to Obama, but the problem in the first place is related to BP. And it seems that BP is a criminal organization, as compared to the other oil companies. They are giving testimony "against" BP now, in Congress, saying that BP did not follow good practices and that they would have never done what BP did on their rig.

And from these violations, I think we can see that BP has been in the practice of killing their employees before, and it's happened over several administrations, with this information going back to the Bush Administration ...

From a referenced article, in this post -- Post #4 ...

BP's Horrible Safety Record: It's Got 760 OSHA Fines, Exxon Has Just 1

It definitely shows "how BP operates" ... :-)

32 posted on 06/16/2010 9:21:55 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Texas’ gulf coast didn't get money from Mexico when one of their leaks was spewing 30,000 barrels a day.
33 posted on 06/16/2010 9:23:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; blam
You were saying ...

I bet about half of them think that dead porpoises are gonna be washing up under the St. Louis Arch....

Don't worry ... BP has written up in their plans for how to deal with spills in the Gulf of Mexico that they know how to take care of the walruses in the Gulf of Mexico, too .... LOL ...

If you can find any walruses in the Gulf of Mexico... good luck ... they don't exist ...

Habitat for Walruses



So, I would say that these people have a better chance of finding porpoises than BP has of finding the walruses that are in their "clean-up" plan ... hoo-boy!


34 posted on 06/16/2010 9:31:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: a fool in paradise
You were saying ...

Texas’ gulf coast didn't get money from Mexico when one of their leaks was spewing 30,000 barrels a day.

Well, I sure hope they get some money when it's spewing at 120,000 barrels a day, then, and a whole heck of a lot closer to the Texas coastline .... hoo-boy!

But, actually, I would say it's Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida that may need more help ...

35 posted on 06/16/2010 9:33:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: blam
never is a long time.

I hate this spill as much as the next guy, but if the planet can heal itself from the comet strike that killed the dinosaurs, I think it can deal with a oil spill.

36 posted on 06/16/2010 9:34:35 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Star Traveler

This time, yes.

You act as if nothing like this has ever happened before.

By all means put an end to the leak. By all means bill the company.

But don’t spin hyperbole “worst ever”, “never recover”, or BrakBrak’s favorite “we’ll make it even BETTER than before”.


37 posted on 06/16/2010 9:35:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: blam

I have no interest in what “most” Americans thing. Most Americans are idiots. At least, quite a few, a discouraging number, are idiots.


38 posted on 06/16/2010 9:37:58 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: don-o

think


39 posted on 06/16/2010 9:38:38 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: a fool in paradise
You were saying ...

You act as if nothing like this has ever happened before.

Well..., to tell you the truth ... you're right, I don't recall the last time we saw this for Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida ... like we see in those pictures on Post #13 ...

Perhaps you could refresh my memory ... :-)

Oh..., and by the way... how did Mexico deal with the walruses? ... just curious ...

40 posted on 06/16/2010 9:38:52 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Gulf of Mexico vs Australia.

Ever means ever.


41 posted on 06/16/2010 9:40:37 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Star Traveler

What’s your solution? Get off gasoline?

Nuke it? Nuclear radiation a good thing for the coast?

Please. Contribute.


42 posted on 06/16/2010 9:41:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: lurk
I remember back during WWII the beach at Kitty Hawk being covered with oil from a torpedoed tanker. Several months later, after a no’easter or two, going out there and we could find no evidence the oil had ever been there. We dug down in the sand to see if was just covered, but not so. I believe nature takes care of these things. Creation is a marvelous thing!!!
43 posted on 06/16/2010 9:57:24 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: a fool in paradise
You're asking me what "my solution" is -- and that's a question that applies to different people in different ways.

If you ask BP, you're going to get one kind of answer. If you ask someone who is at the coast of Louisiana, you're going to get a different kind of answer. If you ask the White House, you're going to get another kind of answer.

And, if you ask FReepers, posting here, you're going to get, yet again, another kind of answer.

Each person has an answer which is related to their circumstances and in the context in which they relate to the problem. I have to say that, to preface my answer, because some people seem to miss that point.

So, to me specifically..., my "answer" is totally related to "information" and information for FReepers and others in the public.

What I've found, in my own experience, is that one only attacks a "problem" to the level that they perceive it to be a really serious problem, or one of a less serious nature. More thinking, time and effort, goes into a more serious problem.

Now, I know that if people, in general don't recognize a problem for the real seriousness of it, then they won't act with as much forcefulness or with as much action as others which are very serious.

The real question is -- is this a problem that if we do just like we did for the decades-old Mexican blowout, that things will just return to normal by themselves and we have nothing much to worry about?

Or, is this a problem that the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida have not ever faced before and it's the worst disaster for an oil-drilling blowout, that these states have ever had?

The answer to that ("it's of no real consequence" -- or -- "it's the worst oil-spill/blowout ever faced by these states") -- will determine the level of "action" taken to deal with the problem.

THUS ... my answer to your question, and in context of this board, Free Republic, is to get information out to how serious of a problem this is.

That's "my solution" -- but it's not BP's solution, and it's not the White House's solution either -- as they each have a different responsibility than I do.

And likewise, it's not the solution to those who are on the Coast, as they are busily dealing with this, right in front of their faces, and they see the seriousness of the problem.

SO..., everyone has their own answer to that "problem" -- according to their circumstances and their responsibility, related to this disaster.

44 posted on 06/16/2010 10:00:55 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: a fool in paradise

I don’t know about you.... but I’m not in Australia ... LOL ...

Maybe that’s your problem ... :-)


45 posted on 06/16/2010 10:02:13 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: marron

This poll only shows that most people are idiots. Yes - idiots. (NEVER?!)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/01/gulf-oil-spill-ixtoc-ecological-tipping-point

But although Ixtoc was a big disaster, it did not develop into the long-term catastrophe that scientists initially thought was inevitable.

“This is not to say there were no consequences. Just that the evidence is that these are not as dramatic as we feared,” says Luis Soto, a marine biologist from the National Autonomous University of Mexico. “After about two years the recuperation was well on the way.”

Wes Tunnell, now at the Texas Harte Research Institute, took samples before and after the oil arrived in Texas that showed an immediate 80% drop in the number of organisms living between the grains of sand that provide food for shore birds and crabs.

“Sampling a couple of years after the spill indicated the populations were back to normal,” he says. Six years after Ixtoc 1 exploded it was hard to find any evidence of the oil, he says. “It is rather baffling to us all. We don’t really know where it went.”

But although their message is hopeful, those who studied the Ixtoc disaster warn against assuming the gulf is automatically heading for another quick comeback.

Ixtoc 1 stood in just 50 metres (165ft) of water, while Deepwater Horizon was drilling 1,500 metres below the surface. It is also likely that the quantity of chemical dispersants being used today is significantly larger, potentially blocking the work of the oil-eating micro-organisms.

But what worries Tunnell most is that over-fishing may have reduced the ability of the gulf to bounce back. “It was much more resilient 30 years ago than today. My fear is it is reaching a tipping point.”


46 posted on 06/16/2010 10:05:38 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: blam

Mother Nature always balances her books.


47 posted on 06/16/2010 10:08:22 AM PDT by Crawdad (Obamacare will lead to back-alley physicals.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Well on the other hand, since Obama isn’t doing any real leading, you’ll find more Americans like this one trying to stand up to do something, even if ignorant. And this is the real danger of this government, if the perception continues to grow that our federal government is inept and cut off from reality, it might lead some real evil people to try to take control of parts of this nation. The feds might respond with martial law, but since the Feds are already showing they can’t fix problems that they have now...the declarations of martial law will be meaningless and this country will fall apart into disparate federations!


48 posted on 06/16/2010 10:15:57 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: 21twelve; blam

Thanks for the link. I don’t live near the Gulf anymore, but I visited there a few years after Ixtoc. At the time I visited I couldn’t see any visible evidence of the spill... but if you dug down a few inches there was a layer of oil. Still, to the naked eye, the area had recovered beautifully.

So, it takes time, but it does recover. Its organic. Microbes eat it. The biggest problem is to stop the leak. Nature will take care of the rest given time.


49 posted on 06/16/2010 10:39:43 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

“Nature will take care of the rest given time.”

It really amazes me soemtimes how resilent nature is if we give it the chance. I recall the articles about how the Illinois (?) river would catch fire from all the oil and pollution in it. How Lake Michigan was a “dead sea”. After we stopped dumping all our crap into it and cleaned up what we could, it is now a thriving fishery.


50 posted on 06/16/2010 11:03:38 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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