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Gulf Oil Spill Fuels Push for High-speed Rail in Wisconsin
WBAY ^ | June 16, 2010 | ???

Posted on 06/16/2010 2:08:27 PM PDT by Willie Green

A group drumming up support for high-speed rail in Wisconsin says the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is more proof we need to break away from our dependency on oil.

Wisconsin Student Public Interest Research Group, or WISPIRG, stopped in Green Bay Wednesday on a statewide tour.

The consumer group made up primarily of college students and researchers says connecting Wisconsin cities by high-speed rail will reduce traffic congestion and pollution and create 9,000 permanent jobs.

"WISPIRG is calling on Congress to dedicate funding to passenger rail in the next six-year federal transportation bill which will be taken up next year, so we can build the system Wisconsin needs and our country deserves," the group's Sarah Seibold said.

WISPIRG says high-speed rail is 23-percent more fuel efficient than flying and up to 50-percent more fuel efficient than driving.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: boxcarwillie; choochoocharlie; energy; transportation
It's BP's fault.
1 posted on 06/16/2010 2:08:27 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

They worried that the spill will be coming ashore in Wisconsin?

SAVE THE CHEESE!


2 posted on 06/16/2010 2:10:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Throw the bums out in 2010.)
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To: Willie Green

Wisconsin? Yeah that’s the first place I think of to optimize high speed rail.


3 posted on 06/16/2010 2:11:44 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: a fool in paradise

All the marxists are running to collect a piece of the pie.


4 posted on 06/16/2010 2:12:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Willie Green
WISPIRG says high-speed rail is 23-percent more fuel efficient than flying and up to 50-percent more fuel efficient than driving.

Wow. Those numbers are underwhelming. WHen I see weasel words like "UP TO" than I know that it will be significantly less. UP TO means full trains in each direction, every ride. Ain't gonna happen.
5 posted on 06/16/2010 2:13:15 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Willie Green
is more proof we need to break away from our dependency on oil.

Do these morons not realize that trains run on diesel fuel which is made from oil? How frigging stupid are these choo-choo people?

Unless of course they're talking about those magical, mythical high speed trains that run on Unicorn farts....

6 posted on 06/16/2010 2:13:16 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Willie Green
Because BART is such a rousing success.

The sole purpose of Metropolitan Transportation Districts is to provide affirmative-actioned "people of color" a means of stealing as much public dollars as they can stuff into their pockets.

7 posted on 06/16/2010 2:14:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Willie Green
The consumer group made up primarily of college students and researchers

That tells you all you need to know about them.

8 posted on 06/16/2010 2:14:33 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Willie Green

What, power your high-speed rail with wind power?


9 posted on 06/16/2010 2:16:04 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Willie Green
"WISPIRG is calling on Congress to dedicate funding to passenger rail in the next six-year federal transportation bill which will be taken up next year, so we can build the system Wisconsin needs and our country deserves," the group's Sarah Seibold said.

I have an idea Sarah. Why don't you raise your own capital, build yourself a railroad, sell tickets and send the government a bunch of money in taxes like the rest of us commuters do?

Trains are SO much more efficient, you should be able to pay more taxes than drivers pay and still make a tidy little bundle of money for yourself.

10 posted on 06/16/2010 2:16:11 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: Drango

The great light rail boondoggle... Build a light rail 12 miles long that carries 5,000 or 6,000 passengers per day, and costs $1 billion to build and runs an operating budget deficit of $100’s of millions per year. While an adjacent highway carries 50,000 people per day at a small fraction of the cost. Utopia lives on...


11 posted on 06/16/2010 2:16:14 PM PDT by RDasher ("El Nino is climate, La Nina is weather")
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To: Lurker

I also know their Grandchildren will come visit them in gasoline powered cars.


12 posted on 06/16/2010 2:16:18 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Wow. Those numbers are underwhelming. WHen I see weasel words like "UP TO" than I know that it will be significantly less. UP TO means full trains in each direction, every ride. Ain't gonna happen.

...and the "driving" comparison assumes everyone rides solo in their H2 or Escalade, at either 5 or 95 mph.

Isn't LibMath fun?!?

14 posted on 06/16/2010 2:17:14 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: Willie Green

It’s like a magical oil spill that can do anything!

WORSHIP THE OIL SPILL!


15 posted on 06/16/2010 2:17:18 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Willie Green

9,000 permanent UNION jobs with no reason to make profits and huge drains on tax dollars for fat, bloated salaries, benefits and pensions.

Just like the BART or MUNI a-wipes here in the Bay Area...over budget and the only thing they will cut is services...the $150K fat salaried jackasses have the unions to hold the taxpayers hostage.


16 posted on 06/16/2010 2:20:42 PM PDT by wac3rd (Gulf oil spews...Obama sues.)
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To: Lurker

Hope and Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange!


17 posted on 06/16/2010 2:21:16 PM PDT by wac3rd (Gulf oil spews...Obama sues.)
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To: wac3rd
9,000 permanent UNION jobs with no reason to make profits and huge drains on tax dollars for fat, bloated salaries, benefits and pensions.

wac3rd makes willie sad.
18 posted on 06/16/2010 2:22:34 PM PDT by ZX12R (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!)
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To: Willie Green

"Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste"


19 posted on 06/16/2010 2:23:51 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The sole purpose of Metropolitan Transportation Districts is to provide affirmative-actioned “people of color” a means of stealing as much public dollars as they can stuff into their pockets.

Local news here covered a Pittsburgh bus driver who made $131,000 last year. (they exploit union rules to rack up tons of overtime). Funny TV story, interviewing a young black girl on her way to a fast food job, explaining that this is why the fares are going up. She was flummoxed.


20 posted on 06/16/2010 2:25:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: subterfuge
WORSHIP THE OIL SPILL!

I have to say, this oil spill extravaganza is Al Gore's wet dream. It's too bad he has extramarital porking problems to deal with, because his circus sideshow involvement would get top billing and be very entertaining.
21 posted on 06/16/2010 2:29:18 PM PDT by ZX12R (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!)
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To: Lurker; TexasCajun
Do these morons not realize that trains run on diesel fuel which is made from oil? How frigging stupid are these choo-choo people?

Unless of course they're talking about those magical, mythical high speed trains that run on Unicorn farts....

Coal powered would be more accurate. High speed rail is electric, and we get 50% of our electricity in the US from coal, 20% from natural gas, 20% nuke, and 7% hydro.

22 posted on 06/16/2010 3:55:10 PM PDT by OA5599
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To: Willie Green

The proposed line from Milwaukee to Madison is more aptly called highway speed rail due to the fact that it will be running through many small towns along the way, never able to reach the speeds it’s capable of.
It’s also been estimated that in order for the rides to be affordable to those who will most likely be using the system (minimum wage earners mostly) each ride will have to be subsidized to the tune of about $24 per rider. Increased property taxes for all homeowners in the five county region, increased gas taxes (up to $1 per gallon) and raiding the highway funds will be the methods used for paying for these rides.
Personally I will have absolutely no use for this little choo-choo project but I and all my neighbors will be forced to pay for it.


23 posted on 06/16/2010 4:01:06 PM PDT by SkiKnee
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To: Willie Green

Subsidies, eh? As usual for rail projects. No, no, no!


24 posted on 06/16/2010 5:48:57 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: Onelifetogive
I have an idea Sarah. Why don't you raise your own capital, build yourself a railroad, sell tickets and send the government a bunch of money in taxes like the rest of us commuters do?

That's about as silly as Sarah telling you to go raise some capital to build your own private highway.

25 posted on 06/16/2010 6:21:03 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: SkiKnee
It’s also been estimated that in order for the rides to be affordable to those who will most likely be using the system (minimum wage earners mostly) each ride will have to be subsidized to the tune of about $24 per rider.

Did WPMCA have anything to do with that estimate???

It wouldn't surprise me if they did.
They get paid to spread misinformation on these types of issues, you know.

26 posted on 06/16/2010 6:29:57 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: Willie Green
That's about as silly as Sarah telling you to go raise some capital to build your own private highway.

Not such a bad idea!

From wikipedia:

A private highway is a highway owned and operated for profit by private industry. Private highways are common in Asia and Europe; in addition, a few have been built in the United States on an experimental basis. Typically, private highways are built by companies that charge tolls for a period of time while the debt is retired, after which the highway is turned over to government control. This allows governments to fulfill immediate transportation needs despite their own budget constraints, while still retaining public ownership of the roads in the long term.

An obstacle to private highways is that government regulation can stifle price flexibility and introduce negotiation and paperwork requirements that increase operational expenses. In addition, private highways lack some advantages that governments have, such as sovereign immunity against liability for accidents and the ability to issue tax-exempt securities.[1]

Free market roads are advocated by libertarians, who consider them more efficient and safer than public roads.[2]

Seems like a good idea...unless government intervention fouls it up.

I KNOW that Wikipedia is just people's opinions, but there is nothing in this passage that I can diasgree with.

I'd be willing to reduce gasoline taxes and increase the number of toll roads. Let people who use roads pay for them, but don't make people who use roads pay for trains! Let people who use trains pay for trains!

27 posted on 06/16/2010 7:17:52 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: Willie Green
That's about as silly as Sarah telling you to go raise some capital to build your own private highway.

We've already got those Willie boy. They're called Toll Roads. And the same folks who built them using our tax dollars sold them off to private investors.

You're wrong Willie boy, you're wrong.

You're more than wrong, you're enabling thieves, and that makes you a thief yourself.

28 posted on 06/16/2010 7:20:00 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Onelifetogive
In practice, they are actually a very bad idea.
In most cases it's actually a corrupt, financing swindle, where political cronies are granted a 75-year-monopoly to collect private tolls on a highwary that was already built with public money. The cronies pay an up-front fee, of course, to make it look like the taxpayers are getting a good deal. But the truth is, the taxpayers would be better off if the government simply collected all the tolls itself, and prevented the crony companies from skimming all the action.
29 posted on 06/16/2010 7:36:53 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: Willie Green
political cronies

I think we are in agreement that politicians are capable of destroying ANY good idea.

30 posted on 06/16/2010 8:02:20 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Flame away...)
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To: Lurker; AuntB
You're more than wrong, you're enabling thieves, and that makes you a thief yourself.
Crawl back under your rock, you deranged libertarian troll.
I've been crusading against corrupt Trans-Texas Corridor NAFTA highway privatization scams ever since the issue first arose on this forum.
31 posted on 06/16/2010 8:04:47 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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To: Willie Green

No, we just need to reduce our dependence on BP.


32 posted on 06/16/2010 8:05:43 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (70 mph shouldn't be a speed limit; it shoud be a mandate!)
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To: Lurker
Do these morons not realize that trains run on diesel fuel which is made from oil? How frigging stupid are these choo-choo people?

Actually, most modern high-speed trains are electically powered with energy supplied from the grid. (And most of our electricity generated for the grid comes from sources other than oil.)

But even if diesel/electric engines are used on this particular route, it would be a more fuel efficient method of transportation than everybody commuting in individual cars. So the resultant lower oil consumption would help reduce, if not totally eliminate, our dependence on oil.

33 posted on 06/16/2010 9:16:35 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to the beat of a different drum - and some people polka. ..")
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