Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Toyota to restart US auto plant, draws UAW ire
Yahoo News ^ | June 18, 2010 | Dan Strumpf and Tom Krisher

Posted on 06/18/2010 5:07:44 AM PDT by EBH

Toyota's announcement that it will resume construction of a car factory in Mississippi was a much-needed piece of good news for both the state struggling with persistent employment and the automaker trying to recover some goodwill after a recall crisis bruised its reputation.

But the decision drew fire from America's largest auto union, which accused Toyota of shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility.

Toyota promised to hire 2,000 workers at its nearly complete factory in Blue Springs, Mississippi, and start producing Corolla sedans by the end of next year.

The plant has been on hold since late 2008, when Toyota suspended construction as the economy fell apart and sales of new cars and trucks collapsed in the U.S.

But Toyota's decision to build Corollas there comes just weeks after announcing the sale of a California plant that also built the compact sedans.

To the United Auto Workers Union, the key difference was the California plant was unionized, while the Mississippi plant -- like the rest of Toyota's U.S. factories -- isn't.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: automakers; manufacturing; toyota; uaw
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-69 next last
Maybe Toyota just doesn't want to do business with the UAW anymore.

Unions are "negotiating" their members right out of the labor market.

When things like this happen...it amazes me how the members can't see it is their own leadership that has failed.

1 posted on 06/18/2010 5:07:44 AM PDT by EBH
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: EBH

Union “leaders” are leaders like Obama. They are only in the game for the power.


2 posted on 06/18/2010 5:09:46 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

Yes, we shifted production to non-union facilites. Union facilities sap our profits, decrease our flexibility, and hamper our productivity. Any other questions, mister...douchebag is it? Okay, Mister Douchebag, any questions?


3 posted on 06/18/2010 5:10:43 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

No doubt the maoist will send a message to Toyota.


4 posted on 06/18/2010 5:11:50 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

UAW has its own car company. That’s enough.


5 posted on 06/18/2010 5:12:21 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

UAW has its own car company. That’s enough.


6 posted on 06/18/2010 5:12:24 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
But the decision drew fire from America's largest auto union, which accused Toyota of shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility.

Well, duh ";^)

7 posted on 06/18/2010 5:14:00 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: domenad

UAW Looks Toward Clawbacks by: Tom Lindmark May 28, 2010

The WSJ reported yesterday that Ron Gettelfinger, the outgoing President of the UAW, said that he expects that the resurrection of Chrysler and GM (MTLQQ.PK) will prompt the union to bargain to claw back some of the concessions they made to help the companies survive. He did not specify what the union intended to seek to have returned.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/207448-uaw-looks-toward-clawbacks?source=yahoo


8 posted on 06/18/2010 5:14:52 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

More on the UAW protecting the rest of us from the terrible, terrible scourge of insourcing.


9 posted on 06/18/2010 5:17:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

UAW hasn’t cared about auto workers for decades.

It’s all about UAW leadership and how much power along with fat pension plans to can obtain for themselves.


10 posted on 06/18/2010 5:18:20 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
..., which accused Toyota of shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility.

Well, duh! Get a clue, Unions!.................

11 posted on 06/18/2010 5:19:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. He's just some guy in the neighborhood.............)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
You go Toyota...
unions


12 posted on 06/18/2010 5:19:11 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
To the United Auto Workers Union, the key difference was the California plant was unionized, while the Mississippi plant -- like the rest of Toyota's U.S. factories -- isn't.

A more likely key difference was the plant was in California - with its taxes and regulations and high cost of doing business - rather than the fact that it was unionized.

13 posted on 06/18/2010 5:19:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

“But the decision drew fire from America’s largest auto union, which accused Toyota of shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility.”

Aw, do you want fries with that, Moron ?


14 posted on 06/18/2010 5:21:24 AM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur

Probably the first (unions).
Auto plants are given a lot of concessions because the state and local communities rely on the payrolls to support the economy.

The difference between an independent payroll and a UAW payroll is amazing. Having moved 8 plants from UAW to non-union control, I’d put my money on the union factor in this.


15 posted on 06/18/2010 5:22:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: EBH

I bet Pharaoh criticized the Jews for leaving Eygpt too.


16 posted on 06/18/2010 5:22:53 AM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur

Wrong. Both. UAW and CA taxes and regulation.


17 posted on 06/18/2010 5:24:08 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: domenad

Hahahahaha. Made me spew my coffee.


18 posted on 06/18/2010 5:25:30 AM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
A more likely key difference was the plant was in California - with its taxes and regulations and high cost of doing business - rather than the fact that it was unionized.

Unions ARE a tax of sorts. Not in the sense that the government is stealing the money, but in the sense that the restrictive work rules and constant anti-productivity actions on the part of the union "leadership" is a significant drain. Union wages aren't really much different from those of non-union wages in the auto industry, but the contract rules are stifling.

19 posted on 06/18/2010 5:26:55 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie
Wrong. Both. UAW and CA taxes and regulation.

Yeah well keep thinking that. I guarantee you that if the workforce in California voted the UAW out tomorrow the plant would still move.

20 posted on 06/18/2010 5:28:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: EBH

How dare Toyota employ Americans?

The horror!


21 posted on 06/18/2010 5:31:51 AM PDT by TSgt (We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

Wasn’t the CA plant co-owned and operated by GM too?


22 posted on 06/18/2010 5:35:04 AM PDT by Dead Eye Lane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: stars & stripes forever

You must have double posted because the UAW has two auto companies.


23 posted on 06/18/2010 5:35:31 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
A more likely key difference was the plant was in California - with its taxes and regulations and high cost of doing business - rather than the fact that it was unionized.

I don't think it's an either/or situation, both were contributing factors.

However, Toyota has had far superior production AND quality in all of it's non-union plants than it acheived in it's unionized plant.

24 posted on 06/18/2010 5:37:22 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: EBH

Go Toyota. By building more facilities and looking to hre 2,000 folks, they are looking to a future of more car sales. Looks like the change of command at the UAW will lead to the union is going to start pushing GM and Chrysler for more bennies. This ought to be fun to watch since the union will be striking against obama. What will obama do then?


25 posted on 06/18/2010 5:37:40 AM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: EBH

Just like any other business, you close the less profitable locations.


26 posted on 06/18/2010 5:38:22 AM PDT by csvset
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Texas resident

I am curious. What is starting pay for a autoworker in Mississippi vs. California ?


27 posted on 06/18/2010 5:43:09 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: csvset

28 posted on 06/18/2010 5:47:43 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: woodbutcher1963
What is starting pay for a autoworker in Mississippi vs. California ?

An equally important question would be 'what is the relative cost of living between the plant location in Mississippi and the one in California? The reason I mention this is that the teachers' union in Chattanooga was complaining a few months ago about their wages compared to teachers in New York. A letter-to-the-editor pointed out that that 3-bedroom house that one can buy in Chattanooga for $130,000 would be many times more expensive in New York. It was also noted that taxes in New York soaked up a far larger proportion of ones' wages than those in Chattanooga (despite RINO Ron Littlefield's best efforts). The point is, the net buying power is the figure that should be compared, not the gross wage.

29 posted on 06/18/2010 5:50:56 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: woodbutcher1963

Don’t know what the pay is, but a good example of a non union plant in the south is the Nissan plant in Nashville. They have been building vehicles since 1984. I had a chance to tour their plant and their claim was that they have never had to lay off workers. Plus they have some assemblers who have been there 20 years plus. Folks don’t stick with a job that long if they aren’t happy.


30 posted on 06/18/2010 5:51:38 AM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Dead Eye Lane

Yes.
The Fremont plant (GM-owned) began in 1983 as a $300+ million joint venture. From the very beginning, Toyota was concerned about the UAW presence.


31 posted on 06/18/2010 5:51:44 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
A more likely key difference was the plant was in California - with its taxes and regulations and high cost of doing business - rather than in addition to the fact that it was unionized.

Fixed it

32 posted on 06/18/2010 6:01:58 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: EBH

Go Toyota!!


33 posted on 06/18/2010 6:04:08 AM PDT by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

I’ll buy a new car from a non union company or restore an old one myself. Manufactures can make their own choices.

Just my opinion......an my money . Unions suck !


34 posted on 06/18/2010 6:05:11 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
But the decision drew fire from America's largest auto union, which accused Toyota of shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility.

And that is bad because...?

35 posted on 06/18/2010 6:07:34 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

I bet there are 2 reasons for Toyota to shift work to Mississippi from California. (1) The unions for obvious reasons and (2) California. I bet the difference is state and environmental regulations between MS and CA is stark. I would imagine that CA has more cumbersome regulations for Toyota to follow such that moving to MS is in itself has merit.


36 posted on 06/18/2010 6:09:46 AM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH

That’s OK, we have the UNION/Government nexus. You, me, your kids will all be debt slaves, serfs for government uions. The unions saw the future, the industry with the growth, power and wouldn’t go out of business and moved to that. Government.


37 posted on 06/18/2010 6:13:51 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EBH
A close high school friend of my son's works for Honda in Arkansas. He interview in several places before taking this job. He said wages are competitive with union shops. Honda is non union. So it IS all about the dues.
38 posted on 06/18/2010 6:15:19 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

CA taxes are a result of high cost of salaries, pensions of unionized government workers. So it’s really a union plus union, double union escape.


39 posted on 06/18/2010 6:16:37 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Former Proud Canadian

Was - they handed the keys to Toyota and walked away as part of their bankruptcy reorg. UAW didn’t complian about that tho’ - considering they walked away with 15% of Gov’t Motors.


40 posted on 06/18/2010 6:19:32 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: TMA62
"I bet there are 2 reasons for Toyota to shift work to Mississippi from California..."

There have to be a lot more than two. I would guess access to a an English speaking workforce figures into it, as well as far less draconian and punitive worker's comp laws.

41 posted on 06/18/2010 6:19:32 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Dead Eye Lane

Post 40 was supposed to go to you.


42 posted on 06/18/2010 6:21:00 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: EBH

“To the United Auto Workers Union, the key difference was the California plant was unionized, while the Mississippi plant — like the rest of Toyota’s U.S. factories — isn’t.”

http://www.sadtrombone.com


43 posted on 06/18/2010 6:24:11 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: woodbutcher1963

Right now, most autoworkers in the US make about the same, regardless of who they work for. $28/hr base pay, $55/hr fully loaded (base pay and all benefits.) GM, Ford and Chrysler UAW employees made about $78 an hour fully loaded before the reorganizations. The difference is the “give-backs” the UAW now wants to take back.

With the closing of NUMMI, there are no auto plants left in CA, tho’ Tesla has bought the plant and intends to produce their electric cars there. Can’t blame ‘em, they got a $1 billion plant for $40 million.


44 posted on 06/18/2010 6:27:56 AM PDT by green iguana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: EBH

“shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility”

Smart!


45 posted on 06/18/2010 6:31:28 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FrankR
You go Toyota...

(In the voice of Bill Dana/Jose Jimenez:)

"Oh, don't say Yugo to a Toyota person!"

46 posted on 06/18/2010 6:32:37 AM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Erasmus

(In the voice of Bill Dana/Jose Jimenez:)

(Sigh) Just another reason why I love Freerepublic. I’m sure the MSM would never quote Jose out of being non-PC


47 posted on 06/18/2010 6:40:20 AM PDT by SanFranDan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Joe 6-pack
I would guess access to a an English speaking workforce figures into it, [...]

In Mississippi????

(Ducking now!)

48 posted on 06/18/2010 6:42:06 AM PDT by Erasmus (Looks like we're between a lithic outcropping and a region of low compressibility.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: raybbr
They are only in the game for the power MONEY.

That's more better.......

49 posted on 06/18/2010 6:47:19 AM PDT by sniper63 (I am the leader of the TEA Party, I, myself am the leader of me, myself for I am the TEA Party!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: EBH; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; genetic homophobe; FromLori; ...
RE :” Toyota's announcement that it will resume construction of a car factory in Mississippi was a much-needed piece of good news for both the state struggling with persistent employment and the automaker trying to recover some goodwill after a recall crisis bruised its reputation. But the decision drew fire from America's largest auto union, which accused Toyota of shifting production from a union plant to a nonunion facility....To the United Auto Workers Union, the key difference was the California plant was unionized, while the Mississippi plant — like the rest of Toyota's U.S. factories — isn't.

The California plant, called New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., or NUMMI, was a joint venture with General Motors Co. Toyota closed its doors in April after GM pulled out of the venture under bankruptcy protection last year.

UAW President Bob King pledged to step up efforts to organize nonunion workers at Toyota factories and those run by other foreign automakers in the U.S. King, who was elected to head the union this week, used his acceptance speech on Thursday to accuse Toyota of shifting jobs to a location where it can pay lower, nonunion wages. He also said the move was designed to scare workers at Toyota's other U.S. factories

Laugh of the day! I saw the new UAW head on MSNBC Ed Show complaining about this. At least it's in the USA. maybe Obama/Holder can launch a lawsuit stopping the plant move :)

50 posted on 06/18/2010 6:49:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-69 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson