Skip to comments.Gulf Oil Full Of Methane, Adding New Concerns
Posted on 06/18/2010 5:41:00 AM PDT by numberonepal
It is an overlooked danger in oil spill crisis: The crude gushing from the well contains vast amounts of natural gas that could pose a serious threat to the Gulf of Mexico's fragile ecosystem.
The oil emanating from the seafloor contains about 40 percent methane, compared with about 5 percent found in typical oil deposits...
(Excerpt) Read more at google.com ...
....time to quit fooling around and nuke the well.
Here it comes. I guess the leftist clown show is going to “inform” the “little” people.
Sorry, I’ll stop swimming in the Gulf.
The liberals would call the moon a “fragile ecosystem”.
If it’s leaking in multiple places under the seabed, nuking it may do more harm than good.
Seems to me the best plan would be to drill multiple wells in the proximity of this one and relieve the pressure that way. At this point, I just can’t see how they’re ever going to cap it.
Tha’s one helluva faht !
This article’s content is just full of bad science.
The crude OIL is escaping along with NATURAL GAS, otherwise known as methane. MOST wells contain both. THAT is geology and is NOT a surprise.
METHANE, while suffocating, is NOT A TOXIC GAS. You don’t die or get sick from exposure to methane.
Also, to say that the leak is “40%” methane is an interesting statistic — 40 percent by mole volume? by molecular weight? by cubic foot? What?
HOW does one compare the percent of gas to liquid as a percent?
IGNORE THIS. It’s just the next “crisis.”
Now I’ll try to read the entire article ...
The same question was being posed at Oil Drum.
Reminds me of the guy who once told me he was "twenty-five percent full-blooded Cherokee."
.....by molecular weight? by cubic foot? What?....
By media decree
What a great idea..... we go from something that will repair itself in a relatively short time to one that will remain toxic for 1000 years.
I need to check to make sure someone did not hack me over to DU!!!!! Common sense is gone here!
The oil, dispersants & other chemicals such as benzene continue on.......
Obama and his entire administration has been on the oil spill since DAY 1. DAY ONE. But, where are they on the beaches? Helping with cleanup?
WHERE ARE and WHERE HAVE THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE, their flotillas of supporters, armies of marchers and supporter, audiences, money and telethons been since April 20th-21st if they CARE SO MUCH for the environment?
The Apollo Group
The House Progressive Caucus
The Black Caucus
Sean Penn & canoe livery
World Wildlife Fund
Green groups of all kinds
Cindy Sheehan et al
Big Ten University profs
Where ARE THEY?
Lets review, shall we?
1) Theft of the US treasury, to hand it over to the IMF, WTO, G20, etc
2) Takeover of auto industry, to hand it over to Chinese crap BYD car makers, segway pod cars, etc
3) Takeover of health care, to kill off the elderly, dissenters, undesirables, etc, and to know instantly who has any bullet wounds
4) Giving away of NASA technologies to moslem countries and leave space to the Russians
5) Crushing US small businesses to give them away to moslem and S Asian entities
6) Drying up California and seizing land for federal monuments to give away American agriculture to Latin America and Asian companies
7) Somehow having a convenient oil/energy-related accident that then shuts down exploration and drilling, along with shipping oil rig and other, KEY technologies to Soros & cabal in Brazil. Or is is Saudi Arabia? So, America will have its $10/gallon gas and the rates will skyrocket
8) Pulling Soros plants and high-placed moslem plants in the US government and DoD organizations, so that our enemies always know our next steps...or those of our allies
Now, we wait for:
1) our KEY technology dismantling efforts,
2) the seizing of communications under the SMART-grid for our and our childrens safety and
3) the attempt to seize weaponry of US citizens.
4) how to deal with Israel once a few things like healthcare are taken care of.
The present administration is a Clear and Present Danger to the sovereignty and survival of the United States of America.
We, the Undersigned, call for the recognition of the Moon as a territory of special interest to all peoples. As such it should be protected from commercial, industrial and governmental activities which may pollute or otherwise damage its surface.
At this point, I just cant see how theyre ever going to cap it.
True they aren’t even attempting to cap the well any longer. The attempt now is to drill the two relief wells and plug it from the bottom. It will be in the Aug/Sep time frame for the relief wells to be completed.
I UNDERSTAND your POINT!
I can see you haven't gotten into the Dawes Rolls and the blood quantum questions.
Remember, being an Indian is actually a political, not a genetic condition.
There are seas of Methane and oil on the bottom of the Gulf....moonbats want more fear.
Uh huh. The prep for the ‘cover story’ for the evac.
“Rickenbacker to hold disaster drill during Obama’s visit
Air Force One will land, take off from Port Columbus”
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:53 AM
By Doug Caruso
BOR & Beck & 0bama in the same place. On the same day. Coincidence.
Don't tell the eco-weenies, but that leak has already dumped more methane into the atmosphere than a hundred years of cow farts...
Most journalists can’t do math ... science with math is worse - this is AP after all...
Nuke it? Why not just light that fart with a match!
I try to stay away from Oil Drum, cuz the prevalence of ‘government education’ is so high and the comments are so inane.
Methane as a solute in salt water is only gonna be about 20 ppm, and it DOES NOT displace dissolved O2 in the water. A modicum of understanding of gas laws would tell you that.
Plus the article calls methane a major component of ‘natural gas’, and also calls it a “dangerous gas”. GEESH, methane *IS* natural gas, not a major component of it (except for the PPB odorants) and TELL ME WHY methane is a “dangerous gas”.
And the guy was reporting from Montana.
What, it's not "spewing" any more??? Did the media actually discover that there are other descriptive words than "spew" for the leak.
While I understand what you mean, they really do rail on about the slightest thing... The Gulf is a little different in that there really IS a lot of ‘fragile’ ecosystems affected by the Gulf. Most especially the swamps and marshes that are near the Gulf and the mouths of rivers. From what I understand, oysters are fragile too.
And regardless of what you think about liberals screaming about every frog and stupid minnow (I’m speaking of the San Juaquin (sp) valley losing water to keep a minnow ‘safe’), I really don’t want to eat fish, shrimp or anything else out of methane soaked waters. Not to mention if this could effect PEOPLE on the coast.
Last... I have posted a comment on several threads about the fear that methane was leaking from the gulf floor. Beyond the methane being the cause of the explosion, methane is scarier in a bigger way.
Methane is a carrier of hydrogen sulfides. Hydrogen sulfides is believed to be the cause of the dinosaur extinction as geological layering shows a layer of hydrogen sulfides at the time the dinosaurs became extinct. Scary scary stuff.
. Methane acts as a carrier gas for hydrogen sulfide produced by thermal sulfate reduction and/or thermal decomposition of sulfur compounds in kerogen or oil. Methane seeps in potentially explosive amounts, and hydrogen sulfide is over the levels necessary to induce toxicological diseases and lethal effects.
Sorry for shouting .. this just all pi$$es me off soooo much ;-)
...the Russian nuke experiance indicates otherwise
No PROBLEM! :)
A lot of folks have signed up at Oil Drum recently to show their ignorance. However, there are some very knowledgeable folks there. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff. Do you have any suggestions for professional drilling forums besides Oil Drum?
Soro's has closed access to our largest source of domestic oil, so his Brazil deal can lead the race.
It an old fashion crooked horse race.
And we need to get down and dirty if we're going to stand a chance in this bar room brawl!
We can do it if we take off our old church lady uniforms.
Hydrogen sulfide is considered a broad-spectrum poison, meaning that it can poison several different systems in the body, although the nervous system is most affected. The toxicity of H2S is comparable with that of hydrogen cyanide. It forms a complex bond with iron in the mitochondrial cytochrome enzymes, thereby blocking oxygen from binding and stopping cellular respiration.
Since hydrogen sulfide occurs naturally in the body, the environment and the gut, enzymes exist in the body capable of detoxifying it by oxidation to (harmless) sulfate. Hence, low levels of sulfide may be tolerated indefinitely.
I gotta stop you where you are. You wrote you didn’t want to eat seafood from “methane soaked waters”.
Methane is a gas. It is odorless, colorless AND tasteless, and it is NON-TOXIC. Methane would be undetectable to a human as a solute in ANY food or beverage. And it would be harmless. NET: there is no such thing as methane soaked waters, and even if there were, it is harmless to ingest.
BTW, every breath you take from the earth’s atmosphere contains methane, and it does you no harm.
Secondly methane is not a ‘carrier’ of H2S. ALL gases mix and dissolve in each other. That’s a physical gas law. The atmosphere is a ‘carrier’ of H2S— (H2S is also a gas, just like methane.) The presence or release of methane does not cause or act as a harbinger of a dangerous release of H2S. Don’t worry yourself that methane somehow makes H2S worse. Either the well releases H2S or it doesn’t — that’s a mix of geology and biology.
Bear in mind that the human nose is extraordinarily sensitive to H2S — we can smell it down to single digit parts per billion (IIRC). We smell it at low tide. We smell it in natural gas leaks (or derivatives of it) because the manufacturers add it to the odorless methane ... so we can detect the leak.
NET: don’t worry about H2S just because the well is releasing methane.
Insert tin foil:
We've been fooled again. Instead of Iran shipping a nuke in a shipping container off the east coast, launching it and setting off an EMP detonation over Michagan, they changed their plans: Install a closet muslim president, botch an environmental disaster, and then send a suicide bomber to light up a cig in off the LA coast.
I think there are a lot of old church ladies prepared to fight for freedom than the current generation of metrosexual men, happy with their bread and circuses. But I think that was your point anyway.
oh, if it were Bush...
No, I'm just amused at the number of people who claim to be of Cherokee ancestry. Those damned Cherokees must really have gotten around.
It might take 50 or so posts, but pretty quickly most any claim of ‘fact’ is fully dissected here at FR. Amazing the diversity of knowledge amongst the posters.
OK, assuming the premise that microbes that are eating the oil and gas are depleting isolated areas of the ocean of oxygen is true, I have an idea. Sure, this may sound like it belongs on half-baked.com but here goes. Why not drop electrodes down into these submerged plumes and run a current though them. This would create oxygen bubbles that could be absorbed back into the water and replenish the depleted supply. Essentially, we would be using the energy from the electricity, through electrolysis, to supply organic life with the fuel it needs to break down the oil.
Good point about methane being a greenhouse gas. IIRC, it is about 20 times “worse” than CO2.. We’re cooked...
Two things —
(1) the damage is NOT irreparable, but it’ll take a variable ‘while’ for nature to right itself. So if we do nothing about these dead zones (MOST ALREADY THERE FROM FERTILIZER RUNOFF) caused by the spill, nature will work it out over time. Keep in mind that many areas of the ocean naturally have very low levels of O2, and others do not. The problem in the Gulf is that areas that should have O2 are losing it.
(2) In theory your idea is sound, but in practice you’d have a hard time getting enough O2 dissolved in the right places. But a clever idea. IT’d be like spitting into the whirlwind. It might be easier to add chemical oxygenation or just send big hoses below for ‘bubblers’. But the idea of physically augmenting the levels of O2 is a good one in theory, but the scale needed would make it hard in practice.
The nuke would go off at least couple of miles under the seabed, next to the pipeline. The blast would crush the pipeline shut and fuse the entire area, sealing it off. Done right, no blast effects or radiation would reach the water.
At tleast that's how the Russians did it.
“....time to quit fooling around and nuke the well.”
I’ve seen this mentioned a couple of times. For those of us slow to this, what would that do? Is the theory that the blast would eliminate the leak by eliminating the source?
The Cherokee and related tribes were quite rapidly being assimilated by Euro-American society in the early 1800s.
Many people who are actually Creek, Choctaw and Chickasaw tell you they are Cherokee just so they don't have to answer so many questions.
This reminds me of a couple things: The move "Payback" where the crime boss Carter is deciding what to do with problem of Porter "if you don't understand something, get rid of it". Then we have the icon gun show bumper sticker "There is no problem that can't be solved with the use of high explosives"
I submit that those who don't understand the problem, just want to "get rid of it"; how is just a trivial detail. Since it is a big problem, they need a bigger explosive, aka: "nuclear bomb".
The bottom of the GOM is like a bowl of pudding, and the pressure is greater than anything the Russians ever experienced. Furthermore, the best evidence they care to reveal to us to date is that the pipe is/has deteriorated and we are looking at the equivalent of an undersea oil dam break. The Soviets allegedly did this on land (since when did we start trust Soviet propaganda movie shorts?) to crimp a pipe. In the GOM there isn't much of pipe to crimp shut, its more of matter of not creating new openings for the oil to come out. What is your solution when all the nuke does is destroy whatever stability in the sea floor there might be holding back this oil and instead create hundreds of larger faults for the oil to gush through?
There are only two things I see in common here: Oil and Communists. We can continue to talk about nukes, but I would change the discussion only on where the nuke is to be applied.
Gee, the ap just figured out that there is a pressurized gas boosting all that oil out of the ground. Isn’t methane the same thing that cows emit?
That makes me feel better. I understand it’s a gas and it’s naturally occuring, but I just could not see how the gas wouldn’t penetrate the food chain.
So you don’t think the methane (NOTE: exessive methane) would hurt the sea life?
I am not a marine biologist or scientist, just trying to research as much as I can. Fumbling around at that.
Thanks Blueflag, Freepers have so many from so many different areas... just about a guarantee SOMEONE will know something about everything.
...based on the sucessful Russian esperiance it broke the flow...they were working on a land based well however...nobody wants a nuke, but after all else fails, there will be no choice I expect.
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