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Vote System that Elected NY Hispanic Could Expand
The Washington Post ^ | 6/19/2010 | Jim Fitzgerald

Posted on 06/18/2010 5:48:25 PM PDT by spaced

PORT CHESTER, N.Y. -- The court-ordered election that allowed residents of one New York town to flip the lever six times for one candidate - and produced a Hispanic winner - could expand to other towns where minorities complain their voices aren't being heard.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hispanics; ny; votes
"Some animals are more equal than others." George Orwell, ANIMAL FARM
1 posted on 06/18/2010 5:48:25 PM PDT by spaced
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To: spaced

Pure treason. This needs to be stopped.


2 posted on 06/18/2010 5:49:47 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

by whom?

The GOP doesn’t have the guts. The government of Obama probably loves it.


3 posted on 06/18/2010 5:50:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: spaced

The worst part about this is, there’s nothing in the article except the authors explicit plea for more judges to violate the Equal Protection Clause.


4 posted on 06/18/2010 5:51:10 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to...." ;)
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To: spaced

I guess this is what they mean when they say that the Constitution is a living document.


5 posted on 06/18/2010 5:51:20 PM PDT by doc1019 (Rush, Beck and others are giving us the dots; it is up to us to connect them.)
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To: spaced

The only reason unconstitutional crap like this works is because ethnic minorities are motivated by their racist ideology and cast all their votes for someone with their skin color, whereas feel-good liberals spread their votes around in the spirit of “faaaiiiirness”.


6 posted on 06/18/2010 5:52:51 PM PDT by CondiArmy
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To: spaced
And the vehicle carrying racism and divisiveness rolls on...
7 posted on 06/18/2010 5:56:01 PM PDT by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: spaced

Illegals do not have the right to vote because they are not citizens. They came here illegally. WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND!


8 posted on 06/18/2010 5:56:37 PM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: spaced

Whatever happened to the “one-man-one-vote” per SCOUS?


9 posted on 06/18/2010 5:56:54 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Slightly unconstitutional.

The tinhorn dictator disease is spreading to the courts.


10 posted on 06/18/2010 5:56:56 PM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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11 posted on 06/18/2010 5:59:03 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: CondiArmy

It is not unconstitutional. It is called cumulative voting and has been done for decades in many different cities, counties and school boards.

Every voter had six votes to distribute however they wanted.
Cast one vote for six different candidates.
Or three votes each to two candidates.
Or four votes to one candidate and one vote each to two other candidates.
Or all six of votes for your favorite candidate.

In some areas, cumulative voting could enable a white candidate to get elected for a change.


12 posted on 06/18/2010 6:05:31 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: spaced
This is just the start, most don't realize it, but many “modern” socialist countries actually reserve a certain number of seats on their Parliaments for women and minorities. So if you happen to be a white man and your area has already reached it's “quota” you're out of luck no matter how many votes you get, the seat is going to a candidate from one of the protected classes.
13 posted on 06/18/2010 6:18:52 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Solitar

Cumulative voting? Not unconstitutional???

No wonder the damned lefties have been winning so many elections for “decades”. Silly me....I thought it was only because of leftist voter fraud, cheating and of course ACORN.

Does this mean I get six votes this November? If not, I am being discriminated against. Fair is fair (except when you’re dealing with leftists/socialists/communists).


14 posted on 06/18/2010 6:19:59 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: apillar

Oh swell. Just what we need. Affirmative action voting.


15 posted on 06/18/2010 6:23:47 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee; All

There is nothing technically wrong with this approach. In fact - without checking - I think it yields better results for what the voters really want.

There are many issues with how we vote - selection processes are not as mathematical as they should be.

There is nothing wrong with this technically. Now as far as judgment - for their being a reason to implement this method with a GOAL of helping a specific party - there is lots wrong with that.


16 posted on 06/18/2010 6:30:36 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: XenaLee

EVERY VOTER gets the same number of votes.
You cast your six votes for the most conservative candidate.

AGAiN...
This cumulative voting system has been and is used in lots of local city, county and school board elections where people have the same number of votes to cast as there are seats up for election.


17 posted on 06/18/2010 6:37:09 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Solitar

there was no mention if unrepresented hispanics were
illegal. are they now being counted to “plump”
the vote for latinos?


18 posted on 06/18/2010 6:38:32 PM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: doc1019

Yeah, except now it should really be called the “once-living document” because liberals have succeeded in killing it.


19 posted on 06/18/2010 6:39:35 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Oceander

AMEN!


20 posted on 06/18/2010 6:40:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (Rush, Beck and others are giving us the dots; it is up to us to connect them.)
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To: gussiefinknottle

Your comment is about irrelevant suppositions of yours.

The only factors are the number of actual voters and how they decided to distribute their EQUAL number of votes to which candidates.

Again...
When and where honest conservatives are a minority, cumulative voting can enable the minority of honest conservatives to elect at least one honest conservative instead of being shut out.

In other words,
If in a district with six elected seats to a board, one sixth of the voters can elect one of their people to one of those seats instead of being shut out.


21 posted on 06/18/2010 6:44:37 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: XenaLee

The lefties win elections where they are over 50% of the voters.
The minority conservatives are outvoted.
But with cumulative voting, a district with one third conservatives could get two out of six seats.

Note that if Hispanics are one sixth of the voters
and they all cast all their votes for one Hispanic candidate,
though that candidate gets one seat,
the other five seats go to non-Hispanics.
The Hispanics won one seat but lost five.

Oh, and illegals don’t legally vote — except in Los Angeles and similar places.


22 posted on 06/18/2010 6:49:37 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: spaced

“Some animals are more equal than others.”

It strikes me as a good system. It’s not just ethnic minorities that might benefit from that system, but all minorities. Conservatives might conceivably use it to elect a conservative councilman in New York or San Franscisco by casting all their multiple votes for one conservative candidate.


23 posted on 06/18/2010 6:53:33 PM PDT by devere
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To: XenaLee
"Affirmative action voting"

Single member districts is more affirmative action than cumulative voting.

You have to compare all three methods.

At large versus single member districts versus at large with cumulative voting.

Historically, when a minority group sues over at large voting, the courts have always imposed single member district voting.

With cumulative voting, the city/town can continue to use at large voting with out violating voting rights.

24 posted on 06/18/2010 6:55:31 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Solitar

The problem I have is that Latinos think they are not represented because of the color of someone’s skin.

Why should they believe that they must be represented as an ethnic group rather than as individual Americans?


25 posted on 06/18/2010 7:00:03 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert

Good point.

But political minorities, such as conservatives in Hawaii, can also benefit from cumulative voting. The recent Congressional election there resulted in a Republican winning only because two Democrats split their side of the vote. Once the Democrats join forces, Republicans will again be shut out.
But with cumulative voting in multi-seat districts in liberal districts, conservative candidates could, if they stuck together and cast all their votes for the same candidate, win at least one seat.


26 posted on 06/18/2010 7:06:13 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Solitar

Go ahead and give the country away to anyone that can figure out how to game the system.

cumulative voting allows a political minority to gain representation if it organizes and focuses its voting strength on specific candidates.

constitutional? norfolk n way.


27 posted on 06/18/2010 7:35:56 PM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: muddler

So you are admitting that you can’t figure out how to take advantage of equal votes for all voters?


28 posted on 06/18/2010 7:39:34 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Solitar
So you are admitting that you can’t figure out how to take advantage of equal votes for all voters?

I can figure out that 6 votes per person is the one of the dumbest things that I have ever heard, well except for some one to claim that it's constitutional, that idiot judge should be removed from the bench and prosecuted for voter fraud.

29 posted on 06/18/2010 7:45:03 PM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: muddler

When cumulative voting benefits conservative minorities, will you still object to it?


30 posted on 06/18/2010 7:50:54 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Solitar
When cumulative voting benefits conservative minorities, will you still object to it?

One vote-one person, so simple.

31 posted on 06/18/2010 7:57:12 PM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: Solitar

From someone rational:

“This issue isn’t about one man, one vote, which is the emphasis in the general media reports, for or against: It is profoundly more constitutional than that, and far more ominous: As I said earlier, Government has absolutely NO right to shape the outcome of elections to suit itself. Absent evidence of fraud or intimidation –and there was none, here– then neither the courts nor the DOJ should interefere. This is a dangerous, and ultlimately destructive road: If the government can decide to “enfranchise” one set of voters, then they can decide with equal facility to disenfranchise another.”

You willing to step up to be a “dis/franchisee”?

http://forums.wildbillguarnere.com/index.php?


32 posted on 06/18/2010 8:07:46 PM PDT by NoNAIS (Yet another Government program not needed.)
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To: muddler
Then there is the other way to make sure a selected group wins their seat.
North Carolina 12th Congressional District
33 posted on 06/18/2010 8:19:54 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: muddler

“I can figure out that 6 votes per person is the one of the dumbest things that I have ever heard, well except for some one to claim that it’s constitutional”

In my town’s recent school board election I was given three votes to vote for three school board members. Was it unconstitutional that I got three votes? Would it have been a horrible communist plot if I had been allowed to cast all three of my votes for the one candidate I really liked?

Cumulative voting seems like a good idea to me.

There is too much panic and hysteria being expressed on this website. Things are actually bad enough without inventing any artificial problems.


34 posted on 06/18/2010 9:13:13 PM PDT by devere
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To: spaced

Felons, ethinic double punching, Puerto Rico, DC, ACORN, Illegal Amnesty...

The Liberals will use our own laws to kill us slowly.


35 posted on 06/18/2010 9:31:16 PM PDT by wac3rd (Gulf oil spews...Obama sues.)
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To: devere
Cumulative voting seems like a good idea to me.

There is too much panic and hysteria being expressed on this website. Things are actually bad enough without inventing any artificial problems.

cumulative voting is not an artificial problem and I'm not sure what hysteria you see.

36 posted on 06/18/2010 9:35:17 PM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: Solitar

thanks for clarification Mr. head. i guess that’s
mr. dick head to you.


37 posted on 06/19/2010 5:03:37 AM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: Solitar

article said that half the population of village is hispanic.
about a quarter of those are voters. why is it irrelevant
to question legality of many of those in village?
there are thousands of illegals in my town. there are some
who are legal. a judge would look at composition of town and say
that hispanics were not represented.


38 posted on 06/19/2010 5:17:51 AM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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