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Napolitano says keeping America safe may require civil liberty, privacy trade-offs
Associated Press ^ | June 18, 2010

Posted on 06/19/2010 11:18:33 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

WASHINGTON (AP) — Fighting homegrown terrorism by monitoring Internet communications is a civil liberties trade-off the U.S. government must make to beef up national security, the nation's homeland security chief said Friday.

As terrorists increasingly recruit U.S. citizens, the government needs to constantly balance Americans' civil rights and privacy with the need to keep people safe, said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

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KEYWORDS: 2takelibertyaway; 4thecommongood; bhodhs; democrats; dhs; homelandinsecurity; liberalfascism; lping; napolitano; obama; stockpilesong
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1 posted on 06/19/2010 11:18:33 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As in Arizona?????????


2 posted on 06/19/2010 11:19:31 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” B. Franklin


3 posted on 06/19/2010 11:22:00 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Aren’t these the people who threw their heads back and howled at the Patriot Act?


4 posted on 06/19/2010 11:23:02 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Fascist power grab.
I wonder what Judge Napolitano has to say about this...
 
5 posted on 06/19/2010 11:23:45 AM PDT by counterpunch (Heckuva job, Barry!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; All

Big Brother (Sister) is ushering in an Orwellian FUTURE!!!!

It baffles me that the majority of FReepers still don’t comprehend the coming “New World Order”.

So many frogs in the pot.


6 posted on 06/19/2010 11:24:37 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Child abuse, human and drug smuggling, bribery, money laundering.
These are just some of the crimes committed by employees at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), as highlighted in a report issued by the DHS’ Office of Inspector General (OIG) in May.
From October 1, 2008 to September 30, 2009, the OIG reviewed 16,777 complaints from which the Inspector opened 1,056 cases, closing just over 1,021 of them.
Of those cases, 283 arrests were made, 248 indictments handed down and 241 convictions were ruled.

7 posted on 06/19/2010 11:25:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’ve no doubt that is their intention to eliminate privacy & control the masses.


8 posted on 06/19/2010 11:25:19 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Free ThinkerNY

But but but ... it was George Bush that was taking away civil liberties.


9 posted on 06/19/2010 11:25:31 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - B. Franklin


10 posted on 06/19/2010 11:25:39 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: ReneeLynn
People on this very forum sang the praises of the "Patriot" Act back when Jorge Bush rammed it through Congress. A few of us were concerned about what a dictator would do with those powers (I was thinking Hilldebeast was a shoo-in at that time).

It really sucks to be right sometimes.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

11 posted on 06/19/2010 11:26:04 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: Marty62

You beat me. Mine is post 10.


12 posted on 06/19/2010 11:26:33 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: ReneeLynn

These are also the people who says there is no War On Terror.
America will never get its freedom back until DHS is dismantled.


13 posted on 06/19/2010 11:26:40 AM PDT by counterpunch (Heckuva job, Barry!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“As terrorists increasingly recruit U.S. citizens, the government needs to constantly balance Americans’ civil rights and privacy with the need to keep people safe, said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.”

Why do I feel like she’s not talking about trading off non-existent civil and privacy rights of illegal immigrants and terrorists - and planning only to “trade off” the constitutional rights of US citizens?

What exactly would our founding fathers do in the face of this nonsense, and why would she expect us to easily dispense with certain inalienable rights that have been endowed in us by our Creator?


14 posted on 06/19/2010 11:28:09 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: jimfree

At least FR members know about the Founders.


15 posted on 06/19/2010 11:28:21 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2005/06/crossing-of-rubicon-whoever-saves-one.html


16 posted on 06/19/2010 11:28:26 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

BS from Pig.


17 posted on 06/19/2010 11:29:05 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Halgr

This is exactly what the Left screamed about during W’s administration.

Now they are doint it.


18 posted on 06/19/2010 11:29:44 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: Jackson57

It was. Bush should have known that once he created yet another Department, there was no going back, ever.


19 posted on 06/19/2010 11:29:59 AM PDT by counterpunch (Heckuva job, Barry!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Never forget that Napolitano earned her Progressive creds by defending Anita Hill in her accusations against Clarence Thomas. Everything this woman says must be viewed with that in mind.


20 posted on 06/19/2010 11:30:14 AM PDT by Eva (Aand)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
As terrorists increasingly recruit U.S. citizens, the government needs to constantly balance Americans' civil rights and privacy with the need to keep people safe, said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

And who will keep us safe from the United States government?

I worry more about what the IRS can do to me than what al Qaeda might do.

21 posted on 06/19/2010 11:32:16 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Free ThinkerNY

She can eat my shorts.


22 posted on 06/19/2010 11:32:29 AM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
from "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" ...Our respect for the sanctity of life has in the past, and has always been our greatest protection from the ultimate tyranny of an all-powerful state and yet in recent years we seem to have willingly subjugated ourselves by allowing the State to become the ultimate arbitrator in determinations of who is worthy of life and who is not. Having elevated the State on such a pedestal, we have in essence charted our own destiny, we have chosen the path that will ultimately lead to our own peril.

...In the years ahead, as the world tries desperately to cope with population increases, demographic imbalances, unemployment, and both external and internal threats from quasi-fascist movements such as Islamic fundamentalism it will be social order and stability that will become of paramount importance to many people, much more so than liberty or freedom. Having already placed their lives in the omnipotent hands of the State, is it really such a leap of logic for one to foresee that individuals in the near future will think nothing of sacrificing freedom for security?.

hopefully this will help break me from my prolonged period of writer's block

23 posted on 06/19/2010 11:34:55 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It seems our worst fears are upon us. The Fascist power grab is gaining speed. Obama is preparing us for civil disobedience and riots. Already the UN has vehicles and equipment staged in Florida. If you havent adequate ammo, you had better get it. “For the times they are a changin’”.

What’s funny, if Bush had said this when he was president, the LW would be marching in the streets. Now, they are silent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTeBvi4bw0I


24 posted on 06/19/2010 11:35:06 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Would some one please tell that fat ugly freak that touching the Internet may well bring on revolt?

However, given how ‘revolting’ she is, behaviorally and surficially, there is the likelihood she thinks revolting is OK.

Pray for the Republic.


25 posted on 06/19/2010 11:37:05 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Oh my Nappy! Just a few short years ago...


26 posted on 06/19/2010 11:38:14 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Screw yourself Big Sis, and the horse you rode in on!


27 posted on 06/19/2010 11:40:03 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: RFEngineer
"As terrorists increasingly recruit U.S. citizens, the government needs to constantly balance Americans’ civil rights and privacy with the need to keep people safe, said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

Yeah, porky...that's what Brewer is trying to tell you refugees from an insane asylum up there, but you want to sue her and Arizona for it. I think that quote should be used by Brewers defense attorney, as you just won her case for her...dipstick.

You want to keep the country safe, get rid of all that "politically correct" B.S., stop worrying about "profiling", and give us all the right to carry...we'll keep it safe for you.

The government can't even run the post office or the licensing bureau...somehow they don't make me feel very safe, at least not with the current CIC (clown in chief) at the helm.


28 posted on 06/19/2010 11:44:26 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Up yours, Janet.



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29 posted on 06/19/2010 11:48:26 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Terror, terrorist, terrorism.......I didn't know there was such a thing. Now, we're expected to sacrifice constitutional rights for a nonexistent threat?
30 posted on 06/19/2010 11:48:57 AM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: Halgr
Big Brother (Sister) is ushering in an Orwellian FUTURE!!!

No, you were right the first time. Have you seen this womyn?

31 posted on 06/19/2010 11:51:13 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Remember in November!


32 posted on 06/19/2010 11:51:16 AM PDT by Biggirl (Pray for the people and animals affected in the Gulf of Mexico by oilspill. =^..^=)
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To: counterpunch

The Homeland Security was the brainchild of Liebermann in the Senate with help of McCain.

Bush didn’t want it in the first place!


33 posted on 06/19/2010 11:51:58 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: sauropod
This is exactly what the Left screamed about during W’s administration.

Well that's because they were afraid that their plans for the country would be exposed during a time when something might have been done. Now that they are in power, there is no reason to 'hide' their intentions.

34 posted on 06/19/2010 11:52:02 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Blessed Is The Nation Whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

But he signed it.
Bush could have set the tone that we will not let the terrorists win by changing our way of life, or limiting our own freedoms at home.
But he didn’t. Most certainly not by his actions.

Let’s not forget that much of what Bush did was to try to overcompensate politically for 9/11 happening on his watch. His response was to overreach in many ways, so Americans could see he was “doing something.”


35 posted on 06/19/2010 11:59:29 AM PDT by counterpunch (Heckuva job, Barry!)
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To: sauropod

That wasn’t the *Left*, necessarily.

Plenty of us on this side of the aisle saw what was happening. And it been happening for over a hundred years.


36 posted on 06/19/2010 12:00:11 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Says the leader of the new S.S.


37 posted on 06/19/2010 12:02:01 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; All
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

--Benjamin Franklin, February 1775

38 posted on 06/19/2010 12:02:40 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

With that “nut” still on the payroll it’s a miracle we haven’t all been blownup already!


39 posted on 06/19/2010 12:02:40 PM PDT by lonestar (Barry is furious the big spill wasn't caused by EXXON...would have nationalized it by now.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Those who think I will trade my civil liberties for security from Big Sister

need a Tony Lama in the keister . kbennkc

Keister is much more Reaganesque than @$$.

40 posted on 06/19/2010 12:04:21 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Eva
Never forget that Napolitano earned her Progressive creds by defending Anita Hill in her accusations against Clarence Thomas. Everything this woman says must be viewed with that in mind.

Good God even to this day I can't look at a coke can without thinking of a pubic hair

41 posted on 06/19/2010 12:05:46 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Halgr

It’s too scary for many to think about—it’s called denial.

I’ve noticed our leaders are now speaking openly about the emerging global order.


42 posted on 06/19/2010 12:07:37 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

No, it isn’t.


43 posted on 06/19/2010 12:12:04 PM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

When you or your predecessor in interest sells off the mineral rights this contract law . Supporting private property rights includes mineral rights . Supporting freedom of contract and the use of state law to enforce the rights so acquired, is as conservative-libertarian as you can get .


44 posted on 06/19/2010 12:15:23 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Fighting homegrown terrorism by monitoring Internet communications is a civil liberties trade-off the U.S. government must make to beef up national security, the nation’s homeland security chief said Friday.”

Sounds like the DHS needs more power to distract from its inability to thwart attacks in which the govt was provided warning even by the perps family. Words can’t describe.....


46 posted on 06/19/2010 12:17:05 PM PDT by corvus
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Just imagine the NYT headlines if Bush had said this !

Oh' never mind

47 posted on 06/19/2010 12:17:51 PM PDT by Popman (Obama Presidential Timber: Worm Eaten Balsa Wood)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I prefer terminating the employment of politicians
intent on infringing on freedom so the government
has more power.


48 posted on 06/19/2010 12:22:43 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Any man willing to give up FREEDOM for SECURITY deserves NEITHER Janet. Now KISS OFF BIOTCH.


49 posted on 06/19/2010 12:36:40 PM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How about we just trade off Napolitano instead?


50 posted on 06/19/2010 12:37:46 PM PDT by Hattie
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