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New York Times Ethicist: Socialist Not an Insult
Federal Review ^ | 06/20/10

Posted on 06/20/2010 6:08:03 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

NEW YORK--Answering a question from a reader as to whether a teacher should post a cartoon on his door that disparages President Obama as a socialist, New York Times columnist Randy Cohen writes:

[W]hile this teacher does not transgress ethically, he does seem to fall short intellectually, offering not deft political analysis but slogans and clichés...

Incidentally...how does it defame a person to call him a “socialist” (outside of nutty far-right circles) — a set of ideas many advanced Western democracies find congenial, what with the accessible health-care, affordable higher education and good public transportation?

Cohen, who writes the Times' "Ethicist" column, answers readers' questions on whether a particular conduct is moral. As far back as 1999, when the column debuted, he was criticized for using the column to advance government control of the economy. In 2004, he was discovered to be making donations to the left-wing political group MoveOn.org, in violation of the Times' ethics policy. He was allowed to keep his job, claiming the organization was no more political than the Boy Scouts.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: cohen; communism; ethicist; fascism; insult; mediabias; newyorkslimes; randy; socialism; times

1 posted on 06/20/2010 6:08:04 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

At the non-risk of being hated by the NYTimes, Obama isn’t a socialist...he’s a marxist.


2 posted on 06/20/2010 6:13:49 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

But, by the time Cohen realizes that fact, it will be too late.


3 posted on 06/20/2010 6:15:20 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Socialist Not an Insult...

...to a socialist.

Neither was fascist an insult to Mussolini, nor Nazi to Hitler, nor communist to Stalin.

To people who are into liberty, however, socialist is pretty insulting.

4 posted on 06/20/2010 6:18:47 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: seowulf

And, of course, the “ethicist” at the NYT is a socialist or, probably more precisely, an economic fascist.


5 posted on 06/20/2010 6:33:23 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Ok, it’s not an insult... how about making it a flogging offense?


6 posted on 06/20/2010 6:35:10 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The Communist worms are crawling out fro the woodwork.


7 posted on 06/20/2010 6:36:58 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“Socialist” is just the politically correct word for “communist”.
Freaking duh.


8 posted on 06/20/2010 6:46:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: anniegetyourgun

Yes...I agree, he ain’t no Socialist. He’s a full on Marxist.

I tried, repeatedly, to read that guys tripe...he rarely came up on the right side of an issue.

Anyway...that was when I still bought and paid for that bird cage liner. Haven’t for 5 years. Can’t wait to see Slime sell it to somebody else.


9 posted on 06/20/2010 6:49:35 PM PDT by Pigsley
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To: Pigsley

Obama will get the Feds to bail out the Slimes and make it the official press office of the new regime. Same content, only now the reporters will be on the actual government payroll.


10 posted on 06/20/2010 6:51:45 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Amazing. I never thought I would see the day when I would rather have the heads of Germany, France or Britain as our President more than our current U.S. President.

But that day has come.


11 posted on 06/20/2010 6:56:05 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Of course it’s not an insult. The lefties should BRAG about the fact that they are socialists. :^)


12 posted on 06/20/2010 7:20:15 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: anniegetyourgun

Hardly surprising for a newspaper that had a full on Communist shill (Walter Duranty) work for them.


13 posted on 06/20/2010 7:20:31 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Hey there NYT, hows your stock doing these days under Marxism?


14 posted on 06/20/2010 7:21:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Hang all of the marxists in America.

Every last one of them.

15 posted on 06/20/2010 7:41:09 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Isn’t a “New York Times Ethicist” an oxymoron?


16 posted on 06/20/2010 8:38:54 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Isn’t a “New York Times Ethicist” an oxymoron?

It's like the NY Times version of an oncologist. If the NY Times' ethicist finds any symptoms of ethics he removes those ethics surgically and recommends either radiation or toxic chemicals to make sure they don't grow back. Or else he gives you the bad news that your ethics have grown too much and you'll have to be put down like a rabid dog before they spread throughout the "news" room.

17 posted on 06/20/2010 9:55:59 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (I am so immune to satire that I ate three Irish children after reading Swift's "A Modest Proposal")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
...a set of ideas many advanced Western democracies find congenial, what with the accessible health-care, affordable higher education and good public transportation?

Nice attempt to spin. These aren't exclusive to socialism...in fact, they're not long available in socialism because bad management will lead to the loss of these.

What percentage of Americans already have access to health-care...100%, although not all avail themselves of it. Affordable higher education? The first schools were established by Christians and conservatives, not liberals and socialists. As for public transportation...people can spend their money how they like, they don't normally want to utilize public transportation...so building it at the cost of all for the benefit if the few is most definitely a socialist ideal...so I guess I'll give him the last point, although that gets back to the bad management thing.

18 posted on 06/20/2010 10:01:17 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to leave in the hands of the government.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Since calling someone a socialist is the same as calling someone a slave master, I guess slavery is not a bad thing anymore.


19 posted on 06/20/2010 10:44:58 PM PDT by Defiant (2010 is pretty much it, folks. Send them packing, or start packing.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Strictly speaking, he is a fascist..


20 posted on 06/20/2010 10:56:54 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The guy should have said he was a National Socialist, like I did.

Obama is a National SocialistOct 27, 2008 ...
Liberals are so friggin stupid that we could call Obama a National Socialist and they wouldn’t even know that we just called him a NAZI. ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2116981/posts


21 posted on 06/20/2010 11:55:21 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Lancey Howard
“Socialist” is just the politically correct word for “communist”.

And a communist is just a socialist in a hurry.

22 posted on 06/21/2010 12:40:24 AM PDT by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Socialist = Thief.

So if you don’t mind being called a socialist, you don’t mind being called a thief because that is what you are.


23 posted on 06/21/2010 12:58:27 AM PDT by DB
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To: seowulf; Behind Liberal Lines
He is correct, of course - "socialist" is not an insult and is not meant to be - it's an accurate description of the socialist.

On the other hand, "liberals", "progressives" and other unwitting socialists often throw the "Nazi" or "fascist" to anyone they disagree with and mean it precisely as an insult, without understanding the meaning of the word or realizing that fascism is just a form of economic socialism slightly different from communism, and that it's really applicable to their ideology of absolute governmental ownership or control of means of production and human behavior...

Nazi was short for National Socialist in Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party).

They've kept trying to revive or rehabilitate Marxism / socialism (Marx himself used socialism and communism interchangeably) under different labels since early 20th century, despite its numerous failures written in and paid for by the blood of the millions of innocent people...

"Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion..." - Peter F. Drucker / Friedrich A. Hayek (in The Road to Serfdom)

24 posted on 06/21/2010 2:51:18 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

But they make the trains run on time!!!


25 posted on 06/21/2010 10:22:41 AM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a President named Hussein?)
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