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Navy Bans Tobacco Use on Its Submarine Fleet
nyt ^ | 6/20/10 | Thom Shanker

Posted on 06/20/2010 9:28:30 PM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON — The smoking lamp is going out all across the Navy’s submarine fleet, where the mission to “run silent, run deep” now will be carried out by sailors ordered to run undersea operations without cigarettes, cigars or pipes.

This is the latest front in the long war against tobacco declared by the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs. Their programs to help military personnel kick the smoking habit are intended to protect the health of the current force — and to save the government hundreds of millions of dollars a year in health care costs for those who have served, and smoked, in uniform.

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1 posted on 06/20/2010 9:28:32 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Now if they want a smoke they’ll have to go outside.


2 posted on 06/20/2010 9:30:10 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969

Screen door in a submarine?


3 posted on 06/20/2010 9:31:21 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Does that mean no rum either?


4 posted on 06/20/2010 9:32:12 PM PDT by maxsand
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To: Nachum

Smoke Nazi’s...

Sorry..cant smoke on a death dealing war machine carrying nuclear warheads targeted by the enemy...it’s just too dangerous...


5 posted on 06/20/2010 9:32:21 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompitence..)
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To: Fido969

The new female submarine crew members will smoke.


6 posted on 06/20/2010 9:32:25 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Fido969

I hope that the 25% of officers that smoke decide to leave the Navy. Nothing short of rebellion will cause the smoking police to give it up. Of course, once they get out, they will put up with worse nonsense with their private jobs.

Sure glad I’m retired and don’t have to put up with their carp anymore...


7 posted on 06/20/2010 9:34:23 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: maxsand
Does that mean no rum either?

Yes, but it will be more than made up for in buggery.

8 posted on 06/20/2010 9:37:20 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Nachum
Even the equipment will benefit from this regulation.

I used to demonstrate which cubicles in our office had smokers in them: I'd spray Windex Foam on the glass. In smokers' cubicles, it would turn yellow-brown as it ran down the glass...

9 posted on 06/20/2010 9:37:40 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Those tars, etc., lay on circuit boards etc., and make electronics run hotter and sometimes out of spec..


10 posted on 06/20/2010 9:40:49 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: TXnMA

Thanks for the input, Adolf.


11 posted on 06/20/2010 9:41:43 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Nachum
Their programs to help military personnel kick the smoking habit are intended to protect the health of the current force — and to save the government hundreds of millions of dollars a year in health care costs for those who have served, and smoked, in uniform.

OKAY

I guess we will trade lung cancer for Mouth, tongue, jaw, stomach and esophageal cancers as navel personnel swap smoking tobacco for smokeless tobacco (snuff and chewing tobacco).

12 posted on 06/20/2010 9:48:54 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: TXnMA

Well, if that occurred, I would say that you or they did not do their cleaning as required by the Navy or any other branch. Maybe you were part of a different military than I was. We had to clean every day... Maybe that is the problem, not smoking...


13 posted on 06/20/2010 9:48:59 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Just A Nobody

Goebbels, you may extinguish your smokes in your place that is devoid of solar radiation......


14 posted on 06/20/2010 9:53:54 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Nachum

The Navy is stopping smoking on Subs.. BUT importing baby factory’s to be ship MATES... Some idiot in charge of the Navy...


15 posted on 06/20/2010 9:55:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Deagle

That happened to be in industry...


16 posted on 06/20/2010 9:56:34 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA
PacBell built a new data center in San Diego in 1983. The cafeteria floor space was split between smoking and non-smoking. By mid-1985, the ceilings on the smoking side were yellowish-brown. The air intakes on the ceiling were the same way. On the "office floors", there was a designated smoking room. Inside of 6 months, not even the smokers would enter those rooms. The janitorial staff was explicitly directly not to leave the doors open to the office working space as the stench was unbearable. Eventually, the whole building was declared non-smoking and some very expensive renovation took place to make the smoking areas acceptable for use again.
17 posted on 06/20/2010 10:02:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: TXnMA

Yes, I realized that after I posted... I can imagine that is true in most of industry. Sorry for jumping the gun... I just get a bit antagonistic regarding a legal substance...

I do know that it causes some problems...it just should not be taken to the extremes that is has...


18 posted on 06/20/2010 10:02:07 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: hosepipe
The Navy is stopping smoking on Subs.. BUT importing baby factory’s to be ship MATES... Some idiot in charge of the Navy...

This was politically motivated by B Hussein. No sane Admiral would put women on a sub.

19 posted on 06/20/2010 10:04:35 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Well you have to keep those Navy duds happy... Sorry, just another one of those PC things that will cause problems that they will stick under that over bulging rug...


20 posted on 06/20/2010 10:07:18 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Nachum
and to save the government hundreds of millions of dollars a year in health care costs for those who have served, and smoked, in uniform.

How curious. A lie. It will cost the government millions more in medical care if sailors don't smoke, because they will (on average) live longer.

But that would be assuming that Obongo's Veterans Affairs Dept. has any intention whatsoever of paying for veterans medical care, which it doesn't. So it's an ideological game (disassembling our military and its male culture) without a cost to the Reds in the White House.

21 posted on 06/20/2010 10:07:43 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Nachum

My Son wanted to be an Instructor at Nuc School, with the new changes (and others) now he is not even going to re-enlist... wouldn’t tell me why on the phone.

TT


22 posted on 06/20/2010 10:08:51 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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To: TexasTransplant

When you find out why, could you FReepmail me to tell me why?


23 posted on 06/20/2010 10:09:52 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

While they’re at it, they ought to issue them all pink panties.


24 posted on 06/20/2010 10:12:24 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Deagle

I’m surprised the Navy hasn’t banned smoking aboard subs before now — just because of its stress on air purification/recycling systems...


25 posted on 06/20/2010 10:17:22 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Myrddin

“PacBell built a new data center in San Diego in 1983. The cafeteria floor space was split between smoking and non-smoking. By mid-1985, the ceilings on the smoking side were yellowish-brown. The air intakes on the ceiling were the same way. On the “office floors”, there was a designated smoking room. Inside of 6 months, not even the smokers would enter those rooms. The janitorial staff was explicitly directly not to leave the doors open to the office working space as the stench was unbearable. Eventually, the whole building was declared non-smoking and some very expensive renovation took place to make the smoking areas acceptable for use again.”

‘Acceptable’ to who? To those handing down rules?


26 posted on 06/20/2010 10:17:40 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Just A Nobody

He’s technically right but they should still be able to smoke considering they’re serving, albeit ironically, to keep their country free.

This is gonna crank up the Thorazine rations, for sure.

Welcome to the new, ecologically friendlier military.

*sigh*


27 posted on 06/20/2010 10:18:15 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Nachum

What do ya do with a drunken sailor, what do ya do with a drunken sailor, what do ya do with a drunken sailor, earl-eye in the morrrning? Confiscate his smokes and make him suffer, confiscate his smokes and make him suffer, confiscate his smokes and make him suffer, earl-eye in the morrrning.


28 posted on 06/20/2010 10:21:54 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: TXnMA

Actually, I imagine that they only allowed smoking on deck, not within the sub. But, open air smoking should not have been banned, but I’m sure the smoking Nazi’s had something to do with that...


29 posted on 06/20/2010 10:23:49 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Rembrandt

Yet people [used to be mostly women but now it’s men, too] can go *anywhere* drenched in perfume that makes some people deathly ill due to the non-FDA regulated toxic ingredients....because it’s an “acceptable” poison.


30 posted on 06/20/2010 10:24:11 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Nachum
This is a tough call for me. I'm allergic to cigarette smoke and it makes me very ill. So all my life I've had to suffer from the smoke that others create. But I'm also a strong libertarian type. So my views are in conflict. Now if a bar or restaurant wants a smoking policy, then I'll frequent another place. That's an easy solution. And if someone wants to smoke outside and I don't have to experience the smoke, fine as well. But I'm glad they outlawed smoking on airliners. I use to hate to fly because of the smoke. Now I hate to fly for other reasons.

All in all, I think this is good. The great majority of men in the Navy are probably non-smokers today. So why should they have to suffer on these long sea voyages? They shouldn't have to breath in the filthy smoke and they cannot get away from it on a submarine like they could on a surface ship.

I'll probably get slammed for these views but so be it.
31 posted on 06/20/2010 10:36:26 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Pontiac
I guess we will trade lung cancer for Mouth, tongue, jaw, stomach and esophageal cancers as navel personnel swap smoking tobacco for smokeless tobacco (snuff and chewing tobacco).

Why either or? Why not neither? I work with an ex-submariner and he doesn't use tobacco in any form. Doesn't seem to hurt him.

Just chew gum. That won't offend anyone.
32 posted on 06/20/2010 10:39:10 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Myrddin

“The janitorial staff was explicitly directly not to leave the doors open to the office working space as the stench was unbearable.”
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I’m sure the janitors were just as sensitive to the unbearable stench of plugged toilets from fat ass employees. We all have something we hate. You seem to hate smokers. I can’t abide gassy, farty, BM’s. To each his own yet smokers are the new lepers while over-eating gas bags are okay. I’ll take a smoker any day over a farting, toilet filling, stinker. BTW, both gasses, whether from lungs or colon, are debateable as to health risks. I prefer the smell of smoke over human waste any day.


33 posted on 06/20/2010 10:41:35 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: truthguy

Heh... From you descriptions of “tobacco smoke”, I don’t think it was hard for you to form your opinion.


34 posted on 06/20/2010 10:47:23 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Myrddin
Smoking if really a filthy habbit and I'm glad to see the changes we've made. I do think sometimes we go too far. If someone wants to smoke on a park bench in the open air, and I don't have to breathe it or smell it, then that's okay.

But I've had to suffer for years in many situations where I have to breathe in the garbage. We have a lot of troglodytes here on FR who just can't imagine that other people don't want to breathe in their smoke. It's supreme arrogance for people of their generation although I'm probably as old as some of them. Smokers really don't appreciate just how much non-smokers suffer when they have to breathe in their smoke. I've even had to return rental cars after just a few miles because the smell was so bad from whoever had the car last. I glad of these new rules.
35 posted on 06/20/2010 10:48:14 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy

Don’t drive in LA...


36 posted on 06/20/2010 10:50:50 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: TXnMA

That was a funny response. :)


37 posted on 06/20/2010 10:53:52 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: JouleZ
To each his own yet smokers are the new lepers while over-eating gas bags are okay. I’ll take a smoker any day over a farting, toilet filling, stinker. BTW, both gasses, whether from lungs or colon, are debateable as to health risks. I prefer the smell of smoke over human waste any day.

False Dichotomy. Because someone hates cigarette doesn't mean they don't also hate the bodily odors you so elegantly described. But it isn't very often that people have to suffer from you describe. But cigarette smoke is quite common and is ubiquitous. So you are making a ridiculous comparison. I like the new non-smoking laws and rules. It's one of the few things that I think is better today than what it use to be.
38 posted on 06/20/2010 10:55:44 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Deagle

I stay away from LA whenever I can but the air is a lot cleaner on the LA freeways than in a room of smokers.


39 posted on 06/20/2010 10:57:07 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy

Heh... Haven’t been in a room full of smokers, but have been in LA. LA is much worse....


40 posted on 06/20/2010 10:59:41 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: truthguy
I like the new non-smoking laws and rules. It's one of the few things that I think is better today than what it use to be.

Definitely. I was thrilled when I moved to California from Tennessee and discovered their restaurants were smoke free. Now I'm in Oklahoma and they've done the same thing. It became fun to eat out again.

41 posted on 06/20/2010 11:01:17 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Rembrandt
Acceptable to the olfactory senses of non-smokers who will be asked/required to use those work spaces. The "clean up" of those designated smoking rooms was accomplished by removing the walls, floor tiles, ceiling tiles and doors and replacement of the air handling registers. The cafeteria took a similar "remodeling" effort with total ceiling and carpet replacements. New wall board, paint and replacement of all the furniture used in those locations.

There is a reason why hotels maintain separate smoking/non-smoking rooms. Some assess upwards of $400 if you smoke in a non-smoking room. It is vandalism. Expensive to clean up.

42 posted on 06/20/2010 11:01:59 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Not to worry folks... Smoking is already frowned upon by society and with the Smoke Nazis taking charge, you will have little to worry about. I just don’t know why they don’t make smoking illegal along with the sale of tobacco.

They are doing a nice job of preventing the sale of tobacco but I guess it will take another few years before they make it illegal. Hang in there, it is coming...

So, relax and just wait...it will all turn out okay for all you that despise smoke. You just might have to wait a few more years...but it will come...


43 posted on 06/20/2010 11:11:12 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: truthguy
We have a lot of troglodytes here on FR ...

Well, at least that much of what you wrote is true.


44 posted on 06/20/2010 11:22:37 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: Nachum

Yes lock guys up for months at a time...give them no booze,no cigs, and put women and PC rules on Subs...this is going to work out real well...


45 posted on 06/20/2010 11:27:41 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: JouleZ

WTF? Do you realize that the vast majority of today’s Americans are either overweight or obese? And what does an individuals’s weight have to do with their bowel movements?


46 posted on 06/20/2010 11:32:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: truthguy
But cigarette smoke is quite common and is ubiquitous.

Please describe for us the "common and ubiquitous" nature of the cigarette smoke you encounter. We can't smoke in office buildings, shopping malls, most restaraunts, airports, parks or many public beaches. Most smokers I know are huddled outside loading docks like the lepers people like you have made them. So where is it exactly that you go to find smoke so "common and ubiquitous". Sounds like a place I need to frequent more if only to be able to enjoy a legal product without the likes of small people snorting their displeasure at me.

47 posted on 06/20/2010 11:32:46 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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To: ProfoundMan

Man, It’s hard to imagine there was actually a point in recent history when we could have an ashtray sitting by our workstation and light up a stogie as often as we wanted. Or even sit in a hospital waiting room puffing away. Ironically enough, nobody complained about it either! Even the non-smoking employees never said a word! Then they had to go and find out how baaaad it is for us and mom and dad...I mean umm, the government, started taking it away from us here and there and now pretty much everywhere. I think men fighting wars, or potential wars should be able to smoke though if anyone should!


48 posted on 06/21/2010 12:55:17 AM PDT by kelly4c
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To: Lazamataz
The new female submarine crew members will smoke.

Comment?

49 posted on 06/21/2010 1:18:33 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: ProfoundMan
Most smokers I know are huddled outside loading docks like the lepers people like you have made them. So where is it exactly that you go to find smoke so "common and ubiquitous". Sounds like a place I need to frequent more if only to be able to enjoy a legal product without the likes of small people snorting their displeasure at me.

You should read my comments more carefully. I'm sympathetic to your plight. I think restaurants and bars should have the choice of whether to be smoking or non-smoking. In an open air park people have an should also be able to smoke. Where most reasonable people would draw the line is when it starts to irritate others. Many smokers just can't seem to understand the discomfort it brings to non-smokers. I suffered from the smoke for years before the changes came about. Now I believe you should be able to smoke anywhere there isn't a hazard (Flammable materials) or where it irritates other people.
50 posted on 06/21/2010 1:24:09 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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