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FReeper Book Club: The Debate over the Constitution, Brutus #6
A Publius/Billthedrill Essay | 21 June 2010 | Publius & Billthedrill

Posted on 06/21/2010 7:49:27 AM PDT by Publius

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To: Jacquerie
The Constitution of 1787 died in the 1930s. It was killed by FDR and his Congresses.

That may be true but the illness was incubated but the likes of Alexander Hamilton and John Marshal and was given a tremendous boost by Abraham Lincoln. Woodrow Wilson and FDR merely administered the coup de gras.

41 posted on 06/22/2010 2:38:14 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Huck

Of course, the adults at the convention disagreed.


42 posted on 06/22/2010 2:47:01 PM PDT by Jacquerie (We should therefore make the best use of what has been already discovered - Aristotle)
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To: Publius

Excessive taxation...what an idea.


43 posted on 06/22/2010 2:55:17 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Huck
Here is another Henry goodie, from 9 June 1788.

“In making a dictator, we followed the example of the most glorious, magnanimous, and skillful nations. In great dangers, this power has been given. Rome had furnished us with an illustrious example. America found a person for that trust: she looked to Virginia for him. We gave a dictatorial power to hands that used it gloriously; and which were rendered more glorious by surrendering it up.”

If alive today, the attorney Henry would make a terrific ambulance chaser.

44 posted on 06/22/2010 2:59:04 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Nothing which is contrary to nature is good - Aristotle)
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To: Jacquerie; Huck

Patrick Henry’s two speeches at the Virginia Ratifying Convention will be covered by us around Christmas. It will receive the same respectful treatment as the Federalist and other anti-Federalist writers.


45 posted on 06/22/2010 3:18:12 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: djf
One of the things the Federal government is prohibited of doing, “Bills of credit” Paper money.

Actaully, only the States are prohibited from issuing bills of credit, or from making paper money legal tender. (Article I, section 10). Congress is not barred from doing either (see Article I, section 8, cl. 5).

46 posted on 06/22/2010 3:31:23 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Huck

The conceptual necessity of virtue in the citizenry of a constitutional republic is foreign to you.


47 posted on 06/22/2010 4:15:04 PM PDT by Jacquerie (It is not slavery for men to live according to the rule of a constitution, it is their salvation.)
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To: Jacquerie
conceptual necessity

As opposed to...reality.

48 posted on 06/22/2010 6:25:45 PM PDT by Huck (Q: How can you tell a party is in the minority? A: They're complaining about the deficit.)
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To: Publius
most likely Judge Robert Yates of New York

Thanks for the qualifier, by the way. It's the only accurate way to put it--no one knows with 100% certainty. I happen to think it was someone else.

49 posted on 06/22/2010 6:27:19 PM PDT by Huck (Q: How can you tell a party is in the minority? A: They're complaining about the deficit.)
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To: Jacquerie
a simple free government could not be exercised over this whole continent, and that therefore we must either give up our liberties and submit to an arbitrary one, or frame a constitution on the plan of confederation.

You like to hector me a lot about what MY plan would be, as if that's relevant to a critique of the Constitution. I believe this statement of Brutus' to be true---that some form of confederation ought to have remained in place.

You say the Constitution is the end-all, be-all---the best mankind will EVER do, right there, on that paper, conceived in Philadelphia, 1787. I say it's possible to create something better. Maybe it will never happen. But it's possible.

There are some OBVIOUS errors, which should be removed. Other problems are more complicated, but we know the current system doesn't work, e.g., the federal judiciary. Not just that it doesn't work, but that it creates much constitutional mischief. A better article 3. Specific mention of "secession", a rule one way or the other. Express delegation only. No house. Only a congress, representing the states. States hold the right of recall at any time. THEY determine the mode of their elections. etc

50 posted on 06/22/2010 6:39:13 PM PDT by Huck (Q: How can you tell a party is in the minority? A: They're complaining about the deficit.)
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To: Huck
I believe this statement of Brutus' to be true

Brutus was clearly proven wrong.

You like to hector me a lot about what MY plan would be

If you wish to be rid of the Constitution, there must be something to take its place, and to ask is not hectoring but merely a logical question.

As for your last paragraph, brighter and better educated minds than yours considered the options.

The one house Congress is especially humorous.

51 posted on 06/23/2010 3:02:02 AM PDT by Jacquerie (It is not slavery for men to live according to the rule of a constitution, it is their salvation.)
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