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Certificate of Irishness open to 70 million people worldwide
The Irish Times ^ | 21 June 2010 | PAUL CULLEN

Posted on 06/21/2010 10:06:16 AM PDT by Palter

The Government has announced plans to introduce a certificate of Irish heritage for up to 70 million people of Irish descent around the world who do not qualify for citizenship.

Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin said at the weekend he had decided to proceed with the initiative, which was first proposed at the Global Irish Economic Forum at Farmleigh last year.

The certificates will be issued by a third party agency acting under licence from the Department of Foreign Affairs, which is considering charging a fee for each document issued.

The initiative is intended to be self-financing, according to a department source. But he said it was not designed with the intention of raising significant amounts of revenue.

The price charged for the certificates has yet to be set. The tendering documents state that the level of fees shall be subject to the department’s agreement. They add: “The Department is open to considering proposals that provide for sharing a proportion of the fees received with the Department”.

The exact size of the market for a heritage certificate is not known. But it is anticipated that many descendants of Irish emigrants would wish to buy one to display in their homes or as gifts for their children.

Some speakers at last year’s forum were critical of the disconnection between Ireland and members of the diaspora, particularly those unable to qualify for citizenship by virtue of having a parent or grandparent born in Ireland. The forum also highlighted the role the emigrant network could play in helping Ireland improve its economic fortunes.

Mr Martin said the Government had taken a broad and inclusive approach to defining Ireland’s global community. “The Irish diaspora is not limited to Irish citizens living abroad or to those who have activated citizenship. Instead, it encompasses all those who believe they are of Irish descent and feel a sense of affinity with this country.”

The reach, power and influence of many members of the diaspora can provide Ireland with an important competitive edge, he pointed out.

According to the tender documents, it is not possible to determine the value of the concession: “The Irish diaspora is estimated to consist of 70 million . . . many of whom are proud of their Irish heritage”.

The process of selecting a service provider for a trial one-year period is under way, and the issuing of certificates is expected to start later this year, according to the minister.

Operators are likely to have a background in heritage or genealogy. The department is investigating the possibility that certificate-holders would benefit from discounts while visiting Ireland as tourists.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: certificate; ireland; irish; irishness; million; people; worldwide

1 posted on 06/21/2010 10:06:16 AM PDT by Palter
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To: Palter

How do they tell? Blood alcohol concentration?

(Ducking)


2 posted on 06/21/2010 10:09:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Palter; cardinal4

My cousin has had an Irish passport for some years now, along with his U.S. passport. He used the Irish one when on business in the middle east in case of a skyjacking. I have my grandfather’s immigration and citizenship papers and his ship’s passage from Queenstown to New York so I guess my siblings and I would qualify for Irish passports.


3 posted on 06/21/2010 10:11:34 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Larry Lucido

Ha! I am APPLYING!!


4 posted on 06/21/2010 10:12:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion...the Human Scarifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Palter

Trolling for tax dollars methinks. IIRC, Hungary is also loosening their citizenship laws.

Looking for more taxpayers and/or retirees to move there. It’s all about the dollars...


5 posted on 06/21/2010 10:12:38 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Soetoro Snoozes, Oil Oozes)
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To: Palter
It's harmless, but it's a little bit like naming a star after somebody.

A fairly pricey certificate with no real value.

6 posted on 06/21/2010 10:12:57 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Palter
Wonder how many O’Bamas will be applying?
7 posted on 06/21/2010 10:17:27 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Wonder how many O’Bamas will be applying?

I guess those would be considered, "Black Irish."

8 posted on 06/21/2010 10:18:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Heritage centre plan for Obama’s Irish homestead
9 posted on 06/21/2010 10:20:01 AM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: dead

I see value as it may instill interest in genealogy thus continuing the search for ancestors that are waiting to be found. Our family tree is heavily rooted in Ireland and the Isles.


10 posted on 06/21/2010 10:21:36 AM PDT by mcshot (The compounding nightmare is never-ending and growing.)
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To: Larry Lucido

http://www.kinglaoghaire.com/site/lyrics/song_9.html

All For Me Grog

And it’s all for me grog me jolly, jolly grog
All for my beer and tobacco
Well, I spent all me tin with the ladies drinkin’ gin
Far across the Western Ocean I must wander

I’m sick in the head and I haven’t been to bed
Since first I came ashore with me plunder
I’ve seen centipedes and snakes and me head is full of aches
And I have to take a path for way out yonder

And it’s all for me grog me jolly, jolly grog
All for my beer and tobacco
Well, I spent all me tin with the ladies drinkin’ gin
Far across the Western Ocean I must wander


11 posted on 06/21/2010 10:23:23 AM PDT by RedMDer (Throw them all out in 2010... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Hey, that’s our blood food percentage your criticizing - Hey I’ll throw me pork chop six pack at you, when it’s empty.


13 posted on 06/21/2010 10:27:01 AM PDT by mcshot (The compounding nightmare is never-ending and growing.)
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To: Palter

The Irish need certificates because they often forget their names.


14 posted on 06/21/2010 10:29:39 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Larry Lucido

That and percentage of liver still operating.


15 posted on 06/21/2010 10:31:30 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Palter

So all one needs to claim Irish citizenship is a grandparent born in Ireland? Hmmm...I wonder if this would convey any responsibilities or taxes as well as privileges...?


16 posted on 06/21/2010 10:32:21 AM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: mcshot

Can I pay with my reserve of Irish pounds?
I await the Euro’s demise.


17 posted on 06/21/2010 10:36:27 AM PDT by 2007 Crusader
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To: Palter

Will this recognition be extended to Irish from the (Protestant) north ?


18 posted on 06/21/2010 10:36:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: ottbmare; dighton
So all one needs to claim Irish citizenship is a grandparent born in Ireland?

Cool, I've got three!!


19 posted on 06/21/2010 10:38:28 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Palter
Some speakers at last year’s forum were critical of the disconnection between Ireland and members of the diaspora, particularly those unable to qualify for citizenship by virtue of having a parent or grandparent born in Ireland. The forum also highlighted the role the emigrant network could play in helping Ireland improve its economic fortunes.

That last sentence reveals the real motivation behind this.

20 posted on 06/21/2010 10:52:31 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Sort of negates this statement, huh?

The initiative is intended to be self-financing, according to a department source. But he said it was not designed with the intention of raising significant amounts of revenue.


21 posted on 06/21/2010 10:59:46 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Palter

Will John Kerry be getting a certificate?


22 posted on 06/21/2010 11:14:39 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Socialism: Subsidizing Chaff at the expense of Wheat)
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To: Palter

In any of the 50 thousand or so pubs in Dublin that card and 3 Euros will get you a well drawn pint of Guinness.


23 posted on 06/21/2010 11:30:29 AM PDT by katana (For what is an Irishman ? But a .......)
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To: mcshot

:-)


24 posted on 06/21/2010 12:29:10 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Palter

I’m not Irish, but the people who carry me home are.

Do I qualify? : D


25 posted on 06/21/2010 1:09:37 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Larry Lucido

“How do they tell? Blood alcohol concentration?
(Ducking)”

As Larry ducks, Levante hands him an M16 with an M203 grenade launcher attached and says:

“Here, you’ll need this to defend yourself.” :)


26 posted on 06/21/2010 1:27:37 PM PDT by Levante
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To: MozarkDawg

My certificate looks exactly like a pint of Smithwicks.


27 posted on 06/21/2010 2:03:53 PM PDT by sean_og (--... ...--)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Note: this topic is from June 21, 2010. Thank Palter. This might be fun. As a sidebar, I liked this idea:
28 posted on 07/06/2010 6:03:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Palter

IT’S A TRICK!!!!


29 posted on 07/06/2010 6:09:32 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: COBOL2Java
The forum also highlighted the role the emigrant network could play in helping Ireland improve its economic fortunes.

I'll drink to that

30 posted on 07/06/2010 6:12:33 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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31 posted on 07/06/2010 6:15:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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