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To: colorado tanker

I was wondering about the impact of the invasion into Iraq and you answered that. Unfortunately, neo-conservatism works against its own best interests at times.

I think the failure to gain EU membership is a big disappointment also. Once again, France working against the best interests of the West.

The real cause, as I read it here, is the relentless march of islamism.


10 posted on 06/22/2010 2:57:23 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita
The real cause, as I read it here, is the relentless march of islamism.

Ataturk has been revered as the man who saved Turkey after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. If his memory and philosophy can't stop radical Islam I don't know what can. I don't think the game is over in Turkey, however. Very powerful interests want to keep Turkey oriented to the West and out of the sinkhole of the Middle East.

11 posted on 06/22/2010 3:11:45 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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RE: Finally, the invasion of Iraq was hard for the Turkish government because it was unpopular there . . . Turkey came close to allowing US access to transit but in the end said no, which strained relations with the Bush administration.

All of colorado tanker's comments are pretty much what I recall. I followed the Turkish press at the time (English translations).

I recall numbers like 80 percent public opposition. Yet the new government (AKP) and Gul were inclined to approve our use of Turkey for the invasion.

They almost got the necessary stuff through the parliament.

Perhaps the main factor for the failure was the reported warning from France. If Turkey allowed the U.S. to use Turkey for the invasion they (France) would make sure that Turkey would never get into the E.U. Remember? Key French leaders had reasons for keeping Saddam in power.

Some of the public opposition dated back to the Gulf War and the reporting in the U.S. press about Turkish leaders "haggling" about an economic package -- a package I believe that was long-delayed from the time of the Gulf War. Turks believed that their economic problems stemmed from the problems caused Turkey by the Gulf War. As I recall, few if any European countries delivered on their Gulf War promises.

12 posted on 06/22/2010 3:40:41 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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