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Obama relieved Gen. Stanley McChrystal of commanding forces in Afghanistan.
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 23, 2010

Posted on 06/23/2010 10:31:05 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Obama chooses Gen. David Petraeus to replace Gen. Stanley McChrystal as top Afghan commander, according to the Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; mcchrystal; military; muslim; muslimvictory; obama; petraeus; victory4enemy; victory4islam
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To: Typical_Whitey
Thank God George W. Bush won the war in Iraq or this thing will seriously be imploding under the lack of leadership that this administration displays.

We're still a tad nervous. The war was won, but things are still in the precarious stages.

We wouldn't worry if we had a real CiC in charge, but we don't...

51 posted on 06/23/2010 10:42:41 AM PDT by Allegra (Eaker is a Wily Detractor!!!!!!!)
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To: reaganaut1
THE LORD OF THE LIES!

Has spoken!

52 posted on 06/23/2010 10:42:47 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Freddd

That’s what struck me immediately as well; 0bama going with the most hated man in liberal America.


53 posted on 06/23/2010 10:43:06 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: roaddog727
so who gets CENTCOM?

I'd bet Petreaus is only temporary until they can pick a permanent replacement. Right now they're ushering McChrystal out through the back door and not allowing him to return to Afghanistan. His service is over immediately. They need someone to watch over it in the interim.

54 posted on 06/23/2010 10:43:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: reaganaut1

I wonder who Petraeus voted for? {cough!}


55 posted on 06/23/2010 10:43:28 AM PDT by Allegra (Eaker is a Wily Detractor!!!!!!!)
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To: Freddd

Obama hand-picked McChrystal. McChrystal told Obama what he needed to do the job. Obama didn’t give it to him.

Obama brought all of this on HIMSELF.

FAIL.


56 posted on 06/23/2010 10:43:45 AM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: MinorityRepublican
General Petraeus can’t handle both CENTCOM and Afghanistan.

Well maybe he will just lead the war "part-time", sorta like the oil guy is just part-time?

57 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:13 AM PDT by Hattie
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To: roaddog727
so who gets CENTCOM?

McChrystal?

Just kidding...

58 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:17 AM PDT by Allegra (Eaker is a Wily Detractor!!!!!!!)
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To: DrC
Sounds like a demotion to me. While McChrystal had to go to retain whatever slim strands of executive leadership, O’s hostility toward the military, lack of engagement in Afghanistan, and general inability to juggle more than one issue at one time are the root causes behind this ruin of an able general.
59 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:22 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: reaganaut1

..there was no way that Obama was going to keep this guy on....frankly,..who would in his shoes? If someone doesn’t like the way things are running,..they should resign...otherwise they are not effective in revealing the disastrous decision-making.


60 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:24 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: SeekAndFind
So, where is Gen. McChrystal going ? Is he retiring or does he get a desk job ?

He's out of a job as of today. I don't think it'll take long at all to process his retirement.

61 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: reaganaut1

Hate to see McChrystal out, but I am loving Obama turning to Gen. Patreaus. You know LIB heads are exploding everywhere.


62 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:31 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: reaganaut1
Obama is incapable of handling anything other than worship of his being. This is one of the most instructive events to come out of Obama's regime so far--he has handed out the key to his own destruction: ridicule. Obama cannot handle ridicule. Crises don't deserve his attention, but ridicule has his instant focus.

Ridicule needs to be heaped on Obama. Withering, constant ridicule targeting all his frailties. He will not handle it, and better, he will be less able to carry on with abuses.
63 posted on 06/23/2010 10:44:56 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: cvq3842

From Washington to Grant to Eisenhower, generals become presidents only when they win wars. Thus there was no President McCarthur, and no President McClellan(who ran against Lincoln in ‘64 on the premise that the civil war could not be won, but then the Union won. Oopsie.).


64 posted on 06/23/2010 10:45:05 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 ( Two-state solution: A bad idea whose time has gone.)
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To: W-Girl
General McChystal ...the new improved Col. Nathan Jessup !!

Yeah.... Obama just couldn't handle the truth.

65 posted on 06/23/2010 10:45:10 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: DrC
Most certainly this will piss them off.

Patreaus is awesome. If he calls for an Afghan surge they will go ballistic.

What will Obams do ? Turn down the request from his hand picked General ?

lol

66 posted on 06/23/2010 10:45:20 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Truth29

That’s my fear. Could be he wants to damage the Petraeus “brand”.

My nephew was just commissioned in the USMC. In my card to him I said he’s getting in during a very, very rough time - when knowing the right thing to do and then doing it may be almost impossible - but that God would be with him in the middle of it.

I pray for wisdom for everyone in our military, and especially right now for the honest officers who are confronted by a president who (according to his own statements to the Egyptian ambassador) is hell-bent on accomplishing the Muslim agenda, which I understand to be Sharia and the destruction of Israel and the US.


67 posted on 06/23/2010 10:46:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: RoseofTexas

The fly President.


68 posted on 06/23/2010 10:47:00 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: reaganaut1

Good luck, Gen. Petraeus.


69 posted on 06/23/2010 10:47:05 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

I just called the white house and thanked Obama.. FOR THE LAUGH. General ‘Betray us’ put out by his buddies of moveon.org and the last 3 years of Obama, the Democrats, and Pelosi spewing ‘Bush’s failed Policies’, and it’s just what Obama did, too funny!!!


70 posted on 06/23/2010 10:47:07 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Exactly right!

MacArthur,
McClellan,
McChrystal...

I’m detecting a pattern.


71 posted on 06/23/2010 10:47:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Non-Sequitur

“I’d bet Petreaus is only temporary until they can pick a permanent replacement.”

I would hope so. It really would be a Slap in Petreaus’ face if he was kept in that role.


72 posted on 06/23/2010 10:47:52 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Freddd

Any word on this from Vice-President Bite Me?


73 posted on 06/23/2010 10:48:19 AM PDT by Clioman (wHAT)
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To: Col Frank Slade
The thing is, McChrystal was his hand picked General...
74 posted on 06/23/2010 10:49:52 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Freddd
 
 
Yeah, the irony.
 
Am looking forward to leftist heads exploding with more splash than a Sledge-O-Matic meeting a watermelon at a Gallagher show.
 
 

75 posted on 06/23/2010 10:50:11 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Clioman

right now,..he is just standing next to Obama wondering...”who am I”....


76 posted on 06/23/2010 10:50:21 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

How do you know that fly wasn’t specially trained to land on his lip to remind him *not* to say something even more stupid than he’d just said?

Pinocchio had Jiminy Cricket....Obummuh has Freddy Fly.


77 posted on 06/23/2010 10:51:22 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey Jack the Ripper, won't you come on over.....hook me up to the power line of your love.)
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To: reaganaut1

chastising a General. McChrystal must be just chewing on his inner cheek right now. Shameful Obama.

Basically said conduct unbecoming.

p.o.s.


78 posted on 06/23/2010 10:51:41 AM PDT by sappy
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To: americanophile
His Majesty missed a golden opportunity to prove that our war effort is more important than his ego. Rather, he has reinforced his stereotype as a thin-skinned, vain autocrat.

What else was 0bama supposed to do? The military is supposed to be subordinate to the president, no matter who that happens to be. If the president had left such a general in place then it would have only emboldened more dissent from within.

McChrystal knew full well that what was said had the potential to end his career. 0bama did the right thing by relieiving him of command.

79 posted on 06/23/2010 10:51:44 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: reaganaut1

The Kenyan is weaving his teleprompter’s golden web of lies at this announcement. I’ll bet no questions will be taken by the lazy bones president. Too stressful for president JayZee


80 posted on 06/23/2010 10:51:48 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: reaganaut1

Obama said “we have an obligation to our troops in harm’s way”...

(not said)...”with that said,..their ROE will be woefully ineffective..”


81 posted on 06/23/2010 10:52:04 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

RE: He’s out of a job as of today. I don’t think it’ll take long at all to process his retirement.


Too bad, McChrystal’s battlefield achievements are too valuable to overlook.

He maintained a very low profile until June 2006, when his forces were responsible for the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. The success of the surge in Iraq are due in part to his hard work.


82 posted on 06/23/2010 10:52:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Freddd

Will Harry Reid stand on the floor and declare

THIS WAR IS LOST

like he did before???

BWAHAHAHA


83 posted on 06/23/2010 10:52:37 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Not much detail yet but the report is he has been relieved of his command. I suspect the Petraus appointment is a temporary patch to gain some breathing space until SecDef and the White House can properly vet the likely replacements and make a suitable selection.

At this point, what happens to General McCrystal becomes a personnel assignment matter for SecDef. Just what do you do with a relieved 4 star Army general who no longer enjoys the CIC’s confidence?

In normal times, the usal course is to request retirement. But these are not normal times and McCrystal is still a top expert in unconventional warfare/SpecOps.


84 posted on 06/23/2010 10:52:42 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: reaganaut1

85 posted on 06/23/2010 10:52:50 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: reaganaut1

...ok, so...Gen. David Petraeus...hmmm...mentioned as a Republican nominee for president in 2012...if so, will Obama give Petraeus the tools to win the war or will he Vietnam-him?

I think the latter...I hope Gen. David Petraeus knows this.

This proves McChrystal must have put in his resignation and Obama is SAYING he fired him. No way Obama fired him.


86 posted on 06/23/2010 10:53:10 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: The Pack Knight

Yea. Crowded under that bus.


87 posted on 06/23/2010 10:53:25 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Col Frank Slade
Patreaus is awesome. If he calls for an Afghan surge they will go ballistic.

Sounds like a game plan. McChrystal warned he would resign in September of 09 if his requested troop increase were not fulfilled. Obama slow leaked his request for months and left it short by at least 20 grand. Patreaus can start by dictating to Obama to change his idiotic ROE.

88 posted on 06/23/2010 10:53:37 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: reaganaut1
The general knew his comments would have this effect.

Pretty scary, as it tells me he sees major problems with this administration, and saw no other way to get the word out.

89 posted on 06/23/2010 10:53:52 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("And for that matter what do we REALLY know about HereInTheHeartland?")
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To: Salamander

Don’t the “V’s” eat flies?


90 posted on 06/23/2010 10:54:00 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: reaganaut1

hey Obama

 

BITE ME

91 posted on 06/23/2010 10:54:03 AM PDT by zipper
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To: The Pack Knight

Many enlistees despise this guy Obama, for obvious reason. Bob


92 posted on 06/23/2010 10:54:29 AM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night, Flicker their souls to the wind." Al Stewart)
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To: reaganaut1

Regarding Obama’s speech right now...... I I I I I I I I I, MY MY MY MY MY MY MY...... Aaaaargh!


93 posted on 06/23/2010 10:54:36 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: AUJenn
I’m still baffled as to why anyone would agree to give an interview to Rolling Stone. Nothing good can come from that (unless you are Obama).

Maybe he just wanted an image enhancement?


94 posted on 06/23/2010 10:55:02 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 516 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: pnh102

No, he could have reprimanded him and sent him back to Afghanistan. Not everything is a firing offense, and Obama just got through telling us what a great job McChrystal was doing.


95 posted on 06/23/2010 10:55:10 AM PDT by americanophile (November can't come fast enough....)
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To: dennisw

Poki-stan.... 0bobngo is setting a new record for how many times he can say Poki-stan


96 posted on 06/23/2010 10:55:45 AM PDT by dennisw (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid - Gen Eisenhower)
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To: americanophile

I hope Pelosi and Reid just sh*t their pants!!

After all these years of hatred they spewed about ‘bush’s failed policies’...

BWAHAHAHAHA


97 posted on 06/23/2010 10:56:17 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Freddd

Obama is already clearing the deck for 2012. Don’t kid yourself on this move.


98 posted on 06/23/2010 10:56:21 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: reaganaut1
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General Petraeus or General Betray Us?


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Cooking the books for the White House

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General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts. In 2004, just before the election, he said there was “tangible progress“ in Iraq and that “Iraqi leaders are stepping forward.”
Washington Post, “Battling for Iraq,” by David H. Petraeus.  9/26/04 (see below)

And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq , said ”We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress.”
The Australian, “Surge Working: Top US General,” by Dennis Shanahan.  8/31/07

Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed.
GAO report, 9/4/07
NIE report, 8/23/07
Jones report, CSIS, 9/6/07
Independent AP investigation, 9/1/07
Independent L.A. Times investigation, 9/1/07

Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. That’s because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs don’t count.
 “Time to Take a Stand,” by Paul Krugman.  9/7/07    

The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if you're shot in the back of the head -- not the front.
“Experts Doubt Drop in Violence in Iraq,” by Karen DeYoung. 9/6/07 l

According to news reports, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer we’ve been there.
The Associated Press, “Violence Appears to Be Shifting from Baghdad.” 8/25/07
National Public Radio, “Statistics the Weapon of Choice in Surge Debate,” by Guy Raz.  9/6/07
Associated Press, “Key Figures About Iraq Since the War Began in 2003.”  9/5/07

We'll hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we won't hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.
Newsweek, “Baghdad’s New Owners,” by Babak Dehghanpisheh and Larry Kaplow, 9/10/07
Ibid from the AP, “Violence Appears to be Shifting From Baghdad”
McClatchy, “Despite Violence Drop, Officers See Bleak Future for Iraq,” by Leila Fadel. 8/15/07
The New York Times, “More Iraqis Said to Flee Since Troop Rise,” by James Glanz and Stephen Farrell. 8/24/07
Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows; Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war.
We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops.
The New York Times, “Petraeus, Seeing Gains in Iraq as Fragile, is Wary of Cuts,” by David Sanger and David Cloud, 9/7/07
The Washington Post, “Petraeus Open to Pullout of One Brigade,” by Robin Wright and Jonathan Weisman.  9/7/07.

But we won’t hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.
The Hill, “Rep. Schakowsky: Petraeus hints at decade-long Iraq presence,” by Patrick FitzGerald.  8/10/07
Today before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.

 

The Washington Post, 9/26/04
Battling for Iraq

BYLINE: David H. Petraeus

SECTION: Editorial; B07

LENGTH: 1239 words

DATELINE: BAGHDAD
Helping organize, train and equip nearly a quarter-million of Iraq's security forces is a daunting task. Doing so in the middle of a tough insurgency increases the challenge enormously, making the mission akin to repairing an aircraft while in flight -- and while being shot at. Now, however, 18 months after entering Iraq, I see tangible progress. Iraqi security elements are being rebuilt from the ground up.
The institutions that oversee them are being reestablished from the top down. And Iraqi leaders are stepping forward, leading their country and their security forces courageously in the face of an enemy that has shown a willingness to do anything to disrupt the establishment of the new Iraq.
In recent months, I have observed thousands of Iraqis in training and then watched as they have conducted numerous operations. Although there have been reverses -- not to mention horrific terrorist attacks -- there has been progress in the effort to enable Iraqis to shoulder more of the load for their own security, something they are keen to do. The future undoubtedly will be full of difficulties, especially in places such as Fallujah. We must expect setbacks and recognize that not every soldier or policeman we help train will be equal to the challenges ahead.
Nonetheless, there are reasons for optimism. Today approximately 164,000 Iraqi police and soldiers (of which about 100,000 are trained and equipped) and an additional 74,000 facility protection forces are performing a wide variety of security missions. Equipment is being delivered. Training is on track and increasing in capacity. Infrastructure is being repaired. Command and control structures and institutions are being reestablished.
Most important, Iraqi security forces are in the fight -- so much so that they are suffering substantial casualties as they take on more and more of the burdens to achieve security in their country. Since Jan. 1 more than 700 Iraqi security force members have been killed, and hundreds of Iraqis seeking to volunteer for the police and military have been killed as well.
Six battalions of the Iraqi regular army and the Iraqi Intervention Force are now conducting operations. Two of these battalions, along with the Iraqi commando battalion, the counterterrorist force, two Iraqi National Guard battalions and thousands of policemen recently contributed to successful operations in Najaf. Their readiness to enter and clear the Imam Ali shrine was undoubtedly a key factor in enabling Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani to persuade members of the Mahdi militia to lay down their arms and leave the shrine.
In another highly successful operation several days ago, the Iraqi counterterrorist force conducted early-morning raids in Najaf that resulted in the capture of several senior lieutenants and 40 other members of that militia, and the seizure of enough weapons to fill nearly four 71/2-ton dump trucks.
Within the next 60 days, six more regular army and six additional Intervention Force battalions will become operational. Nine more regular army battalions will complete training in January, in time to help with security missions during the Iraqi elections at the end of that month.
Iraqi National Guard battalions have also been active in recent months. Some 40 of the 45 existing battalions -- generally all except those in the Fallujah-Ramadi area -- are conducting operations on a daily basis, most alongside coalition forces, but many independently. Progress has also been made in police training. In the past week alone, some 1,100 graduated from the basic policing course and five specialty courses. By early spring, nine academies in Iraq and one in Jordan will be graduating a total of 5,000 police each month from the eight-week course, which stresses patrolling and investigative skills, substantive and procedural legal knowledge, and proper use of force and weaponry, as well as pride in the profession and adherence to the police code of conduct.
Iraq's borders are long, stretching more than 2,200 miles. Reducing the flow of extremists and their resources across the borders is critical to success in the counterinsurgency. As a result, with support from the Department of Homeland Security, specialized training for Iraq's border enforcement elements began earlier this month in Jordan.
Regional academies in Iraq have begun training as well, and more will come online soon. In the months ahead, the 16,000-strong border force will expand to 24,000 and then 32,000. In addition, these forces will be provided with modern technology, including vehicle X-ray machines, explosive-detection devices and ground sensors.
Outfitting hundreds of thousands of new Iraqi security forces is difficult and complex, and many of the units are not yet fully equipped. But equipment has begun flowing. Since July 1, for example, more than 39,000 weapons and 22 million rounds of ammunition have been delivered to Iraqi forces, in addition to 42,000 sets of body armor, 4,400 vehicles, 16,000 radios and more than 235,000 uniforms.
Considerable progress is also being made in the reconstruction and refurbishing of infrastructure for Iraq's security forces. Some $1 billion in construction to support this effort has been completed or is underway, and five Iraqi bases are already occupied by entire infantry brigades.
Numbers alone cannot convey the full story. The human dimension of this effort is crucial. The enemies of Iraq recognize how much is at stake as Iraq reestablishes its security forces. Insurgents and foreign fighters continue to mount barbaric attacks against police stations, recruiting centers and military installations, even though the vast majority of the population deplores such attacks. Yet despite the sensational attacks, there is no shortage of qualified recruits volunteering to join Iraqi security forces. In the past couple of months, more than 7,500 Iraqi men have signed up for the army and are preparing to report for basic training to fill out the final nine battalions of the Iraqi regular army. Some 3,500 new police recruits just reported for training in various locations. And two days after the recent bombing on a street outside a police recruiting location in Baghdad, hundreds of Iraqis were once again lined up inside the force protection walls at another location -- where they were greeted by interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.
I meet with Iraqi security force leaders every day. Though some have given in to acts of intimidation, many are displaying courage and resilience in the face of repeated threats and attacks on them, their families and their comrades. I have seen their determination and their desire to assume the full burden of security tasks for Iraq.
There will be more tough times, frustration and disappointment along the way. It is likely that insurgent attacks will escalate as Iraq's elections approach. Iraq's security forces are, however, developing steadily and they are in the fight. Momentum has gathered in recent months. With strong Iraqi leaders out front and with continued coalition -- and now NATO -- support, this trend will continue. It will not be easy, but few worthwhile things are.
The writer, an Army lieutenant general, commands the Multinational Security Transition Command in Iraq. He previously commanded the 101st Airborne Division, which was deployed in Iraq from March 2003 until February 2004.

 


99 posted on 06/23/2010 10:56:51 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Was McChrystal simply relieved of command or has he retired from the military?”

I want to know that, too, as I am reading “he was fired” in some accounts. Would this mean dishonorable discharge, and he won’t get his pension? Just curious. Also, all the Generals and officers should resign...sort of, “what if they gave a war and nobody came.” When I read on some blogs that a revolution is coming, it worries me that there might be a military coup coming with it.


100 posted on 06/23/2010 10:58:05 AM PDT by kiltie65
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