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John Stossel: ‘Thuggish Chicago Shakedown (by Vladimir Obama)’ Of BP Is ‘Not Democracy’
Mediaite.com ^ | 6/23/10 | Frances Martel

Posted on 06/24/2010 6:18:38 AM PDT by Libloather

John Stossel: ‘Thuggish Chicago Shakedown’ Of BP Is ‘Not Democracy’
by Frances Martel
7:50 am, June 23rd, 2010

It seems that every time someone in the GOP expresses some radical libertarian idea, the rest of the party scatters as far from the person as possible. And like a brave firefighter to a burning building, John Stossel rushes in to save the embers of his beloved philosophy. He arrived on the O’Reilly Factor tonight with fistfuls of red-hot free market capitalism, calling the $20 billion BP escrow account a “thuggish Chicago shakedown,” by “Vladimir Obama.”

While Stossel didn’t defend BP CEO Tony Hayward, calling him and his corporation “despicable,” he was equally appalled by the fact that the Obama administration made BP agree to save $20 billion in an escrow account specifically for claims. “I disagree with you,” he told Bill O’Reilly, “that Obama was right to say we go in there with a machine gun. We have rules in America!”

Stossel affirmed that he believed the deal was a “shakedown”– no, a “thuggish Chicago Shakedown”– and despite disapproval from O’Reilly, who had no problem with BP officials being “roughed up,” Stossel was worried that it was a slippery slope. “What if next time, Fox News is evil, and O’Reilly is evil,” he argued, and Fox News was taken off the air? O’Reilly basically responded that he’d cross that bridge when we get to it, and that he didn’t believe the federal government would ever take him off the air. Stossel didn’t buy the argument and concluded that this type of deal “is like Venezuela, it’s thuggish, it’s not democracy,” and called O’Reilly a member of the “liberal media.”

Video from The Factor below:


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; bp; democracy; democrats; obama; oilspill; shakedown; stossel
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1 posted on 06/24/2010 6:18:44 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

But it is exactly the kind of democracy the Founders warned us about.


2 posted on 06/24/2010 6:19:33 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Libloather

I guess if obama decides to “rough up” BOR with regular IRS audits (as he claims the Clintons did), he’ll be OK with that


3 posted on 06/24/2010 6:21:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: Libloather

Stossel is right, and as usual, Ted Baxter is wrong.


4 posted on 06/24/2010 6:22:21 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Libloather

Bravo, Stossel!


5 posted on 06/24/2010 6:22:40 AM PDT by American Quilter (The Democrats are deliberately destroying America. They must be destroyed in turn.)
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To: Libloather

well, isn’t it altogether fitting that the mentioned city for thuggery is in fact the birthplace of marxism in America???

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/chicago-communist-paradise-of-the-midwest-by-al-benson-jr/


6 posted on 06/24/2010 6:24:49 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: Libloather

BOB SEGER - SHAKEDOWN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk-W_i7Z59I


7 posted on 06/24/2010 6:25:41 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Libloather

Is Stossel a Republican? I thought he was Libertarian.


8 posted on 06/24/2010 6:27:19 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Libloather

BOR has been way off the reservation in his attempt to be fair to obama. He doesn’t want to face what the rest of us already know. I only tune in to BOR for certain segments (Morris, Coulter, Miller).


9 posted on 06/24/2010 6:27:35 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: silverleaf

Apparently BOR would be fine with it if the administration deemed him to be harming people with his false claim of “Looking out for the folks” and stripped him of money.


10 posted on 06/24/2010 6:27:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Libloather

As if Obama and the Democrats care. The MSM back Obama’s Orwellian vision for the USA (sacrifices have to be made to achieve social justice!!!) and the average sports/MTV viewer doesn’t pay attention to what is happening.

That is why I think the Midterm elections won’t be a runaway for the Republicans. Most Americans like paying no taxes and getting freebies from the top 5%. Add 40 million illegals to the voting roles, ...


11 posted on 06/24/2010 6:28:34 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: dirtboy

Exactly - and we’ve GOT to take the language back.

This situation is exactly what a “democracy” will get you - if the majority approve of an abrogation of rights of others, then it happens.

This should have been done under the rule of law, with due process.


12 posted on 06/24/2010 6:28:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: silverleaf

IMHO it was the DOJ and criminal charges 0 used as his stick.
DOJ could use a federal grand jury to indite a ham sandwich.


13 posted on 06/24/2010 6:29:05 AM PDT by updatedscreenname
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To: silverleaf

IMHO it was the DOJ and criminal charges 0 used as his stick.
DOJ could use a federal grand jury to indite a ham sandwich.


14 posted on 06/24/2010 6:29:15 AM PDT by updatedscreenname
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To: Libloather
Stossel is right, it was 'thuggish'. Everyone knows what a shakedown is but not many know the legal implications of EXTORTION. America has tough rules and regulations regarding oil companies drilling etc. anywhere, on shore or off shore......if BP was 'derelict' in not following all the rules then I suggest someone high up looked the other way.
15 posted on 06/24/2010 6:29:45 AM PDT by yoe (The "N" word stands for NO...as in NO MORE VOTES FOR IRRESPONSIBLE CONGRESSMEN OR SENATORS.The new)
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To: Libloather
O’Reilly basically responded that he’d cross that bridge when we get to it, and that he didn’t believe the federal government would ever take him off the air.

BOR has been soft on Obama lately, trying to position himself as "fair" and thus he is like the person who feeds the alligator believing it will eat him last.
16 posted on 06/24/2010 6:34:38 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: Clara Lou

The article says that Stossel is a libertarian.


17 posted on 06/24/2010 6:36:37 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Libloather

O’Riley is pathetic as usual. The man doesn’t understand something as simple as the rule of law.

If BP had really wanted to they could have fought this. It was clear they were a willing participant. The media (and maybe BP) are wanting to make it look like obama was the guy that made it happen.


18 posted on 06/24/2010 6:43:01 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: Libloather
Fox should give the O’Reilly time slot to Stossel. Yesterday would be good timing as far as I'm concerned.
19 posted on 06/24/2010 6:48:10 AM PDT by Mobties
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To: Libloather

The “Rule of Law” is dead. The “Rule of Thuggery and of Pull” is in effect..........Any Rand was a prophet.............


20 posted on 06/24/2010 6:48:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. He's just some guy in the neighborhood.............)
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To: Libloather

Stossel is the best reporter in America!


21 posted on 06/24/2010 6:49:10 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember ("Subtlety is not going to win this fight": NJ Governor Chris Christie)
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To: Libloather

It would have been nice to allow Stossel to talk a bit more. Blow-hard O’Reilly took the majority of the segment telling Stossel he was stupid and wrong.


22 posted on 06/24/2010 6:50:25 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: Libloather
O’Reilly basically responded that he’d cross that bridge when we get to it, and that he didn’t believe the federal government would ever take him off the air.

Yes, and 20 years ago no one thought we'd ever elect a Constitution-hating muslim sympathizer as President who would take over GM, nationalize health care and destroy strategic alliances, either.

Wake up, BOR. You and anyone else who speaks up against this government are next in line.


23 posted on 06/24/2010 6:59:26 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Never trust anyone who points their rear end at God while praying.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

BOR is trying to get liberal approval and an invite to a WH dinner. He’s a jerk.

It’s good that his guests are questioning his motivation.


24 posted on 06/24/2010 7:03:14 AM PDT by y6162
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To: boycott

BOR doesn’t understand the rule of law OR simple human decency. Apparently he’s never heard of the Golden Rule. He seems to think it’s OK for Obama’s thugs to intimidate and steal from others, because BOR doesn’t think they’ll come for him. The Golden Rule teaches us to treat rich or poor alike, as we would like to be treated. What kind of society would we have if our leaders simply did whatever was popular? Apparently that consideration hasn’t crossed BOR’s mind.


25 posted on 06/24/2010 7:16:36 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA

BOR is concerned with one thing - ratings. Everything else is puffery. He’s not a moral compass, he’s not a voice for good... he’s a business man. Ratings = money.


26 posted on 06/24/2010 7:25:35 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Libloather

I never forget when some jerk like BOR screws with good people like he did with the Swift Boat people. From that moment on I’ve never paid any attention to him.


27 posted on 06/24/2010 7:26:47 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NOVEMBER-2-2010!)
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To: Libloather

O’Reilly is an idiot. He is as conservative as he is Catholic -both in name only and even then clueless at best...


28 posted on 06/24/2010 7:58:01 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Stossel affirmed that he believed the deal was a “shakedown”– no, a “thuggish Chicago Shakedown”– and despite disapproval from O’Reilly, who had no problem with BP officials being “roughed up,”...Stossel didn’t buy the argument and concluded that this type of deal “is like Venezuela, it’s thuggish, it’s not democracy,” and called O’Reilly a member of the “liberal media.”

Woohoo! Go JS!



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29 posted on 06/24/2010 8:13:00 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Clara Lou

A conservative libertarian perhaps?


30 posted on 06/24/2010 8:15:39 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Libloather
While Stossel didn’t defend BP CEO Tony Hayward, calling him and his corporation “despicable,” he was equally appalled by the fact that the Obama administration made BP agree to save $20 billion in an escrow account specifically for claims.

Did Stossel have an alternative suggestion?

31 posted on 06/24/2010 8:18:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: CitizenUSA

I haven’t watched one minute of Bill O’Riley since I saw his interview of obama (the candidate). It was a pathetic joke.

You would have thought bill had a crush on barack.


32 posted on 06/24/2010 8:20:32 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: isthisnickcool
I never forget when some jerk like BOR screws with good people

When he screwed with FR , it was like when somebody screwed with the Cartwrights as far as I am concerned . I may only be Hop Sing , but I would run his @$$ through the laundry .

33 posted on 06/24/2010 8:25:14 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Libloather

O’Reilly is a supercilious p**ck who has a way-too-high opinion of himself. He has little philosophical base and would do well to listen more and talk less.


34 posted on 06/24/2010 8:37:04 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Libloather; sickoflibs
Stossel affirmed that he believed the deal was a “shakedown”– no, a “thuggish Chicago Shakedown”– and despite disapproval from O’Reilly, who had no problem with BP officials being “roughed up,” Stossel was worried that it was a slippery slope. “What if next time, Fox News is evil, and O’Reilly is evil,” he argued, and Fox News was taken off the air?

Stossel's one of the best minds our side's got - he's called this one right.

35 posted on 06/24/2010 8:48:57 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: Clara Lou

Who cares about labels, Stossel is dead-on.


36 posted on 06/24/2010 9:32:12 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: woweeitsme
Blow-hard O’Reilly took the majority of the segment telling Stossel he was stupid and wrong.

Strange. That's so unlike BOR[e]. We have a "conservative" radio talk show host here in Phoenix that does the same thing when listeners call in who are more conservative than he is. He talks over the top of them and adopts this condescending uber-sweet voice like he's talking to a mental defective, and debunks a distorted version of whatever they said.

37 posted on 06/24/2010 10:38:03 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Did Stossel have an alternative suggestion?

I assume what Stossel was objecting to was that Obama seemed to be trying to get control of the disbursement of the money, in other words to use it as a patronage slush fund for unions and other political allies. That, and the coercive way in which Obama dictated a special policy when there's already a legal framework in place to make those whole who were hurt by the leak.

38 posted on 06/24/2010 10:42:45 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: kbennkc

And you can turn out the whitest O’Reilly’s with the sharpest creases of anyone on the ranch!


39 posted on 06/24/2010 10:44:12 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Thank you , Mr. Hoss .
40 posted on 06/24/2010 10:47:31 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Still Thinking
I assume what Stossel was objecting to was that Obama seemed to be trying to get control of the disbursement of the money, in other words to use it as a patronage slush fund for unions and other political allies. That, and the coercive way in which Obama dictated a special policy when there's already a legal framework in place to make those whole who were hurt by the leak.

Yeah. But did he have an alternate suggestion other than every impacted person having to sue for damages?

41 posted on 06/24/2010 10:47:35 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, I think BP was already paying without people having to sue, subject, presumably, to some evidence of their claims.


42 posted on 06/24/2010 10:53:32 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“Wake up, BOR. You and anyone else who speaks up against this government are next in line.”

To paraphrase an old line: when they came for the auto companies, I did nothing because I didn’t work in that industry; when they came for the oil companies, I did nothing because I didn’t work in that industry; when they come for the conservative* talkers, no one was there to help them!

*I use this term very loosely at times when describing BOR! Remember, ALL talkers will be removed and only the Baghdad Bob types (Chrissy, Olbernut, etc...) will be allowed to remain on air!!!


43 posted on 06/24/2010 11:20:10 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“But did he have an alternate suggestion other than every impacted person having to sue for damages?”

Ever heard of a “class-action” lawsuit? This would have moved into that realm very quickly, but now BP has a legal OUT or sorts! Hey, go through those guys - not us!

This was a shakedown, Obamao now has ANOTHER slush fund and BP has been given an out because this third party gets to decide who gets what and when! They can simply tell people who go to sue them that they need to file a claim with the slush fund group. This could give BP YEARS of coverage which means they can keep deflecting their total monetary responsibilities through this slush fund!!!

Not to mention, the President does NOT have the authority to demand this kind of action from a company! PERIOD! End of story! He can request and he can suggest, but to come out and flatly state that he DEMANDED this, means it was an illegal shakedown! Extortion using the US Presidency as the backbone!

Obamao embarrassed the United States more from this one action than all his other bowing and groveling and gift giving combined!!


44 posted on 06/24/2010 11:26:58 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: ExTxMarine

“Obamao embarrassed the United States more from this one action than all his other bowing and groveling and gift giving combined!!”

We OFFICIALLY became a Banana Republic on June 16th, 2010!


45 posted on 06/24/2010 11:29:11 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: kbennkc

[tip o’ the 10 gallon]


46 posted on 06/24/2010 11:39:05 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ExTxMarine
Ever heard of a “class-action” lawsuit? This would have moved into that realm very quickly, but now BP has a legal OUT or sorts! Hey, go through those guys - not us!

Yep. And what do the people do for the 8 or 10 years BP can drag it out in court?

This was a shakedown...

This was the biggest PR gift to BP that Obama could have given them. BP is off the hook now. It's ponied up the money and Obama has appointed his relief czar so now the government owns it. Any delay in payment, any bureacracy, any red tape, any delays or fraud or overlooked victim is now due to government incompetence and not any evil corporate intent on BPs part. They can sit back and say, correctly, "We provided the money that the government demanded. If it isn't getting to the right people and the right places then it's not our fault." Sooner or later Obama will run out of things he can blame them for.

47 posted on 06/24/2010 11:52:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: DBeers

I have to agree with you on this, he is so ‘high and mighty’ (so HE thinks). I switch over to another channel when he comes on..........


48 posted on 06/24/2010 11:58:00 AM PDT by gulfcoast6 (GOD IS!)
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To: ExTxMarine
conservative* talkers

Stephen Colbert , while mocking conservatives , shows he has a far greater understanding of conservatism than BOR . BOR has no real values , and a limited intelligence . One of the best indicators a layman can use to gauge intelligence, is the subject's sense of humor . BOR has virtually none and what there is, resembles that of junior high bully punk .

49 posted on 06/24/2010 11:58:40 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Libloather

“O’Reilly basically responded that he’d cross that bridge when we get to it, and that he didn’t believe the federal government would ever take him off the air.”

BOR is a fool and I can no longer stomach watching his BAMBAM celebration fest. I used to be a big fan, but eventually fools turn me off.


50 posted on 06/24/2010 12:04:09 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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