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Plans to evacuate Tampa Bay area are in place
Veterans Today ^ | June 23, 2010 | Maryann Tobin

Posted on 06/25/2010 6:15:13 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA

As FEMA and other government agencies prepare for what is now being called the worst oil spill disaster in history, plans to evacuate the Tampa Bay area are in place.

The plans would be announced in the event of a controlled burn of surface oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or if wind or other conditions are expected to take toxic fumes through Tampa Bay.

This practice has been used by the US Forestry service, when fire and smoke threaten the health and well being of people.

The elderly and those with respiratory problems would be more susceptible to health risks, in the event of a controlled burn.

Estimates of the rate of BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil spill have varied. Independent scientists now suggest that the true spill rate, before the riser pipe was cut off in June, was between 20,000 and 50,000 barrels a day.

Since the April 20th explosion, which resulted in the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, there have been more than a million gallons of chemicals poured into the Gulf of Mexico in efforts to break up the spill. The chemicals have come under scrutiny because of their own toxic nature.

It is not certain if the massive slick will have to be set on fire near Tampa Bay, but the possibility has not been ruled out.

BP has been using controlled burns as a way to contain the oil spill since the crisis began. Plans to do additional controlled burns around the well site were announced by Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen at a briefing in early June.


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KEYWORDS: controlledburns; fl; florida; gulfoilspill; methane; oilfires; toxicfumes
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OBAMA's GULF SPILL RESPONSE????...

"Yeah right, gotta work harder on that 'golf thing'...


1 posted on 06/25/2010 6:15:20 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

“The plans would be announced in the event of a controlled burn of surface oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or if wind or other conditions are expected to take toxic fumes through Tampa Bay.”

Music to read this post by...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

Hey Con-gre$$? Where is that 20B BP document the Barry’$ “This Is Not a Cap” tyrannical branch agreed to? Check$ & Balance$?


2 posted on 06/25/2010 6:19:07 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: LibFreeUSA
Oil infusion of the aquifers would be worse.

We've had salt water intrusions before - but not so much as to ruin the water supply. Would oil destroy fresh water - making Florida unlivable?

3 posted on 06/25/2010 6:19:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Oil infusion of the aquifers would be worse.

We've had salt water intrusions before - but not so much as to ruin the water supply. Would oil destroy fresh water - making Florida unlivable?

4 posted on 06/25/2010 6:19:24 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: LibFreeUSA

The guy second from left in the first picture is Dr. Ed Overton of LSU. PhD Analytical Chemist. Probably the most knowledgable person on the boat about chemicals and their effects (and likewise oil spills and THEIR effects). Note that he is NOT wearing a respirator. So much for all the hoopla about how toxic the air above the spill is.


5 posted on 06/25/2010 6:20:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: GOPJ

My first thought as well; Tampa relies to some extent on reverse osmosis for drinking water. This could be a MAJOR problem. Meanwhile, however, oil skimmers in Europe that were made available remain idle across the Atlantic.


6 posted on 06/25/2010 6:21:36 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: LibFreeUSA

I’m sure BO/BS and FEMA will be more than happy to open up FEMA detention centers... er ah I mean shelters to help the good people of Tampa Bay.


7 posted on 06/25/2010 6:23:49 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: LibFreeUSA

What if the burn-off gets out of control?

Worst-case scenario is this thing gushes for decades, so could it possibly burn for decades?


8 posted on 06/25/2010 6:26:15 AM PDT by P.O.E. ("Danger is My Beer" - Rev. Dr. Fred Lane)
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To: GOPJ

If oil got into the aquifers, I would guess that our freshwater supply is toast. Florida would become a wasteland.


9 posted on 06/25/2010 6:26:27 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I live in Tampa, its a bit humid (150%) but the only other bad thing in the air is too many bugs.


10 posted on 06/25/2010 6:29:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"The guy second from left in the first picture is Dr. Ed Overton of LSU. PhD Analytical Chemist. Probably the most knowledgable person on the boat about chemicals and their effects (and likewise oil spills and THEIR effects). Note that he is NOT wearing a respirator. So much for all the hoopla about how toxic the air above the spill is."

Thanks, I hadn't noticed that.

What I find note worthy is that everyone does have a breathing apparatus with them.

I'm here on the coast and don't have one. I'm beginning to think maybe I should have one available.

11 posted on 06/25/2010 6:29:21 AM PDT by blam
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To: rarestia

Do you know if anyone is even looking at the possibility? Florida’s dependent on the system of aquifers - and if they go down - it’s over. South Florida would be uninhabitable...


12 posted on 06/25/2010 6:29:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: LibFreeUSA; seekthetruth
In the meantime, Florida's turncoat, Obama-loving, fruitcake governor, Charlie Tuna Crisp, is putting no pressure on the president for skimmers or for ANY ACTION AT ALL like Louisiana's Governor Jindal is.

Leni

13 posted on 06/25/2010 6:30:35 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: rarestia

Yep, guess our real estate is getting ready to take another dive.


14 posted on 06/25/2010 6:31:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rarestia

Is it true that in Florida, the aquifers are especially close to the surface?


15 posted on 06/25/2010 6:31:59 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: driftdiver
I live in Tampa, its a bit humid (150%) but the only other bad thing in the air is too many bugs.?

You don't understand! BO/BS is telling you there is a crisis you can't comprehend so he and the federal government will take care of you! This is not open to debate! They will open up FEMA facilities for all of you to live there will be rules you must follow for your own protection.
16 posted on 06/25/2010 6:34:29 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: GOPJ
Unless there is a direct pipeline to the aquifer, the fresh water will be safe. The great thing about our earth is its own methodology of self defense. Between the aquifer and the oil is good old mother earth, a wonderful filter for all kinds of bad things. Oil will easily be filtered by the process ... again a natural process already in place. Salt water gets in because anything SOLUBLE in the water (like salt) will penetrate the aquifer. But the oil will be filtered out. It'll make a mess, but the fresh water should be safe.

What I hate is the first sentence of the article: As FEMA and other government agencies prepare for what is now being called the worst oil spill disaster in history, plans to evacuate the Tampa Bay area are in place. FEMA? Who's FEMA ... can anybody name their "director?" And to see a scare "line" like this. Like they're going to see some oil coming ashore and evacuate Tampa Bay ... geez a bunch of media hype. Imagine, if people thought the next day after passage that health care was free, what would those people think if they read this line? This isn't "smoke" and talking about the respiratory problems is just going to line up a bunch of willing clients and sheister lawyers to tap BP's slush fund for "damages." Irresponsible journalism!

17 posted on 06/25/2010 6:35:38 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: SMARTY

In some parts of the state. Aquifers are fed from freshwater rivers and streams which are fed from the seas. If the seas become polluted, the aquifers, while last in line, will eventually become contaminated as well. Rain also feeds the aquifers, but they’re primarily filled from the freshwater sources.

In places like Weeki Watchee springs, the aquifers are very near to the surface and divers can actually go through limestone cave systems to get into them.


18 posted on 06/25/2010 6:39:17 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: GOPJ

I’m sure it’s the last thing on their mind. I’ll talk to my cousin. She’s a graduate student at USF and works at SWFWMD.


19 posted on 06/25/2010 6:40:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
Saltwater intrusion is a major threat to the freshwater resources of the coastal areas in southeastern Florida. There are three primary mechanisms by which saltwater contaminates the freshwater reservoir in the unconfined, surficial aquifers of the region: (1) subsurface movement of seawater (lateral large-scale intrusion), (2) seepage of seawater from tidal canals and streams, and (3) upward movement of connate saltwater (water remaining from the time of deposition) from lower formations due to well-field withdrawals. All three mechanisms are driven by the lowering of freshwater levels in the surficial aquifers. However, the effects of the last two mechanisms (seepage and upward movement) generally are limited to relatively small regions, whereas lateral intrusion affects a much larger region of the aquifers.

http://fl.water.usgs.gov/Miami/online_reports/wri964285/ I'm worried about (3)(3) upward movement of connate saltwater (water remaining from the time of deposition) from lower formations due to well-field withdrawals.

20 posted on 06/25/2010 6:42:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: PGalt

More proper music for anything to do with the muslim president:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts6YTeSEv0Y


21 posted on 06/25/2010 6:43:15 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: LibFreeUSA
Why do I have the feeling that burning off large amounts of oil on the water so close to land will just replace one problem with another.
I suspect most aquifers are safe since water normally runs from land to the oceans.
A million tons of sooty oil smoke however will blow in over land and a good portion will settle or rain down.
They should have used oil booms, berms and barges to prevent the oil from reaching land in the first place.
They had two months to prepare for this! They failed.

22 posted on 06/25/2010 6:44:24 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: rarestia

Thanks rarestia ... if there’s a chance - it has to be looked at...

http://fl.water.usgs.gov/Miami/online_reports/wri964285/


23 posted on 06/25/2010 6:45:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
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To: BitWielder1

And they’re waiting for it to get closer to Tampa....because????


24 posted on 06/25/2010 6:46:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: LibFreeUSA
FEMA plans to evacuate a major US city because of the oil spill?

Sounds tin foilly...

25 posted on 06/25/2010 6:47:52 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Joe Brower

ping a ling a ding dong


26 posted on 06/25/2010 6:49:41 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (I will not be silenced. I WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER)
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To: P.O.E.; Myrddin
Worst-case scenario is this thing gushes for decades, so could it possibly burn for decades?

Worst case? Not even close...

I’m still holding out for OilBama to try to blast it shut with a nuke.

It is the worst possible solution, the one most damaging to America, and therefore the one The One is most apt to use.

With luck he can diddle daddle long enough to have to do it in a blind panic just before a major hurricane lances into America’s soft white underbelly.

Such a nuke would:

• Replace an 18” dia pipe leaking oil with a quarter mile wide crater over bedrock shattered all the way down to the full oil deposit.
• Violate international nuclear weapon treaties.
• Flash abundant amounts of sea water into steam both by the bomb itself and the exposed hot crust/magma.
• Provide a thermal turbocharge boost to convert an ordinary hurricane into a continent crossing hypercane.
• Inundate America’s breadbasket farmland with a deluge of radioactive, oily saltwater all the way up to the Canadian border.
• And who knows? It might even shake loose the New Madrid fault.
And as a special bonus he could then use the results to ban all oil drilling and eliminate America’s entire nuclear arsenal.

From his viewpoint, what’s not to love?

27 posted on 06/25/2010 6:49:46 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 518 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: NautiNurse; tiredoflaundry

What are you hearing about this? Is this a likely scenario?


28 posted on 06/25/2010 6:53:17 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


29 posted on 06/25/2010 6:54:53 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: MinuteGal; LibFreeUSA; seekthetruth

Scandal!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyL50dFkMc


30 posted on 06/25/2010 6:55:20 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: SMARTY

I can get to water with a shovel in less than a minute.


31 posted on 06/25/2010 6:59:30 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Sacajaweau
And they’re waiting for it to get closer to Tampa....because????

They *want* it to happen so:
... they can get an excuse to stop oil exploration.
... they can crash yet another vibrant sector of the economy (Florida vacations).
... they can spend more taxpayer money (Redistribution).
... they can use images of Florida beaches to scare people with for decades.
... they can practice relocating large populations to FEMA camps.
... they can make people get used to government going in and "take control".
... they can extort even more money from PB.

How am I doing so far?
This is definitely a problem where each ounce of prevention would save a million dollars in cleanup.
I don't see it happening.

32 posted on 06/25/2010 6:59:55 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: null and void

Nothing like a little sensationalism on a Friday morning...


33 posted on 06/25/2010 7:00:39 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: BitWielder1

The Dems won’t win Florida for the next 100 years!!!


34 posted on 06/25/2010 7:01:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: SE Mom

First I have heard about this. With this group of idiots running it, it wouldn’t surprise me.


35 posted on 06/25/2010 7:01:59 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (I will not be silenced. I WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER)
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To: Joe Brower; JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; ...

Scary stuff!!!

http://www.breitbart.tv/surf-at-pensacola-beach-boiling-like-acid/


36 posted on 06/25/2010 7:03:05 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Wonder Warthog

Facts! Facts! Facts!
I say to hell with facts!
Lets

PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!


37 posted on 06/25/2010 7:14:58 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: BitWielder1

“They should have used oil booms, berms and barges to prevent the oil from reaching land in the first place.
They had two months to prepare for this! They failed.”

“O” was busy golfing and posturing angrily for the cameras.

The entire world is watching this American economic/environmental/political train wreck and also taking the measure (as they should have done previously) of this guy who is supposed to have a grip on things.

With every passing instant and with every delinquent, ill-conceived, ruinous and infuriating response, “O” is looking more and more like the arrogant, inexperienced and incompetent bungler that cautious Conservatives have known him to be from the start.

Like Russia, which is still reeling from their very public and dramatic political/military reverses in Afghanistan- this is an equally dramatic and public embarrassment for the American reputation for resourcefulness and technological superiority, and which we will be along time living down.

In his first term of office President Bush was confronted with the terrorist assaults on America. He surprised many and shocked some with his decisiveness and resolution. Even enemies of the Bush had to commend the resolute approach taken by a man they had challenged as having NO foreign policy experience.

By contrast, “O” is not surprising ANY Conservatives but I am sure that many Liberals are secretly dissatisfied and frustrated with the guy they supported.


38 posted on 06/25/2010 7:15:31 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: null and void

You’re right - there are plenty of worst-case scenarios out there (not sure if “worst” is really applicable anymore, since there doesn’t seem to really be a “good” outcome anywhere).

The question is which does the gummint choose - so far it seems content to purposefully let it ride in the hope they can speechify themselves into a position of further power. In order to get power, they need to weaken regular Americans, and they’ve got quite a menu of options from which to choose.


39 posted on 06/25/2010 7:15:37 AM PDT by P.O.E. ("Danger is My Beer" - Rev. Dr. Fred Lane)
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To: P.O.E.

“Worst-case scenario is this thing gushes for decades, so could it possibly burn for decades?”

You may be familiar with a coal seam in PA that has been burning for a looooong time now.

But, I’m certainly glad that the EPA and FEMA agree that no one with a breathing condition will be affected in any way, shape, or form if everyone follows their evacuation (shut down FL’s economy) directive.


40 posted on 06/25/2010 7:19:27 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: Pecos

You might note that Disney World is directly down wind of Tampa Bay. No problem, there. No sirree. The gub’m’n’t done tole me so.


41 posted on 06/25/2010 7:21:40 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: LibFreeUSA

We really need to get rid of this worthless pos.


42 posted on 06/25/2010 7:22:05 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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43 posted on 06/25/2010 7:23:34 AM PDT by humblegunner (Topop! is very wily)
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To: IMR 4350
"Facts! Facts! Facts! I say to hell with facts! Lets PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!"

ROFLMAO!!!! As much as I hate to say it, this situation could stand a little humor injected. One would begin to think that this website was run by Dr. Doom instead of Jim Robinson.

44 posted on 06/25/2010 7:24:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Hardraade

Very appropriate! Thanks.


45 posted on 06/25/2010 7:27:44 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: blam
"I'm here on the coast and don't have one. I'm beginning to think maybe I should have one available."

I suspect that they are a lot closer to the main spill site than you are ever likely to be. I VERY seriously doubt that you have anything to worry about. By the time anything in the gas phase gets to where you are (even if you live right on the beach), it will have been diluted well below any danger point.

46 posted on 06/25/2010 7:28:08 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: SE Mom

I don’t know what they think, but in my opinion it’s total BS.

You would have more fumes coming off a freshly laid asphalt road than you would have coming off of the oil that is washing up after having been baking in the sun for weeks.


47 posted on 06/25/2010 7:28:26 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: humblegunner

LMAO! Nice placement of looter guy, ‘gunner!


48 posted on 06/25/2010 7:29:25 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: humblegunner

LMAO! Nice placement of looter guy, ‘gunner!


49 posted on 06/25/2010 7:29:37 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: IMR 4350
They're not talking about fumes from the oil on the shoreline; they were referring to the fumes from the controlled burns -- from the oil FIRES creating toxic fumes.

Then, also, there's some talk that the BP oil rig had hit a huge reservoir of methane, and/OR that as sea life dies from the oil that the decomposition creates high levels of methane.

Some reports state that levels of methane are ONE MILLION TIMES higher than normal.

I have NO idea as to the veracity of this.

50 posted on 06/25/2010 7:32:51 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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