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Mark Steyn: Learning the rules of an unengaged president (What do McChrystal and BP have in common?)
Steyn Online ^ | Jun 25, 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/25/2010 2:18:48 PM PDT by xzins

If finding Obama "not engaged," as Gen. McChrystal did, is now a firing offense, who among us is safe?

What do Gen. McChrystal and British Petroleum have in common? Aside from the fact that they're both Democratic Party supporters.

Or they were. Stanley McChrystal is a liberal who voted for Obama and banned Fox News from his HQ TV. Which may at least partly explain how he became the first U.S. general to be lost in combat while giving an interview to Rolling Stone: They'll be studying that one in war colleges around the world for decades. The management of BP were unable to vote for Obama, being, as we now know, the most sinister duplicitous bunch of shifty Brits to pitch up offshore since the War of 1812. But, in their "Beyond Petroleum" marketing and beyond, they signed on to every modish nostrum of the eco-Left. Their recently retired chairman, Lord Browne, was one of the most prominent promoters of cap-and-trade. BP was the Democrats' favorite oil company. They were to Obama what Total Fina Elf was to Saddam.

But what do McChrystal's and BP's defenestration tell us about the president of the United States? Barack Obama is a thin-skinned man and, according to Britain's Daily Telegraph, White House aides indicated that what angered the president most about the Rolling Stone piece was "a McChrystal aide saying that McChrystal had thought that Obama was not engaged when they first met last year." If finding Obama "not engaged" is now a firing offense, who among us is safe?

...Well, that's certainly ugly, but is it the truth? Afghanistan, you'll recall, was supposed to be the Democrats' war, the one they allegedly supported, the one the neocons' Iraq adventure was an unnecessary distraction from.

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It's hard to fight a war without war aims, and, in the end, they can only come from the top. It took the oil spill to alert Americans to the unengaged president. From Moscow to Tehran to the caves of Waziristan, our enemies got the message a lot earlier – and long ago figured out the rules of unengagement.
1 posted on 06/25/2010 2:18:53 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

Unengaged!
Guy spent 40 minutes with BP and McChrystal in the same time period spent over 31 hours golfing.


2 posted on 06/25/2010 2:23:25 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: xzins

HTF does a career special ops guy get fooled into voting for Obama?


3 posted on 06/25/2010 2:25:26 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: xzins

“Stanley McChrystal is a liberal who voted for Obama and banned Fox News from his HQ TV. Which may at least partly explain how he became the first U.S. general to be lost in combat while giving an interview to Rolling Stone: They’ll be studying that one in war colleges around the world for decades.”

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This is a classic example of Obama’s total lack of loyalty to anyone or anything other than himself and his twisted ideology. Or should I more properly say, the ideology of the Soros Stalinist class, et al, who are using him as the not-so-perfect Manchurian Candidate to serve THEIR agenda.


4 posted on 06/25/2010 2:26:21 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: xzins
“Afghanistan, you'll recall, was supposed to be the Democrats’ war, the one they allegedly supported, the one the neocons’ Iraq adventure was an unnecessary distraction from.”

It's now apparent that Iraq ‘distracted’ Al Qaeda and their ilk from Afghanistan. The brilliance of Bush's stratergery is now proven.

5 posted on 06/25/2010 2:28:12 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: xzins

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6 posted on 06/25/2010 2:29:22 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: ryan71

HTF does a career special ops guy get fooled into voting for Obama?

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Been pondering this. There had to be something there -— power, rank, money of sorts. And maybe finally total disgust when he found out that he was fed the standard generic pile of lies. He was not a happy camper near the end for sure.


7 posted on 06/25/2010 2:29:53 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: xzins
The president seems to stand foursquare for nothing much.

President Obama stands for his own self interest, nothing more. Again, it's the predictable echo of narcissism.

8 posted on 06/25/2010 2:37:57 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
“It's now apparent that Iraq ‘distracted’ Al Qaeda and their ilk from Afghanistan. The brilliance of Bush's stratergery is now proven.”

Exactly and the Dems took the bait, calling Afghanistan “the right war”. They didn't really want to fight it but they couldn't figure out how to leave it.

9 posted on 06/25/2010 2:41:25 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: xzins

“...the rules of unengagement.” m Delish...


10 posted on 06/25/2010 2:41:34 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: ryan71
HTF does a career special ops guy get fooled into voting for Obama?

McChrystal probably has a love of abortion. The ability to kill one's progeny while still in the womb is a powerful draw for many.

11 posted on 06/25/2010 2:43:01 PM PDT by Yossarian (A pro-life democrat is one who holds out for something in return for his pro-abortion vote.)
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To: EagleUSA; ryan71

Israel’s Ehud Barak suffers from the same affliction. The most reasonable explanation would seen to be that being a skilled and dedicated specops warrior does not guarantee wisdom outside of one’s area of expertise.


12 posted on 06/25/2010 2:44:35 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


13 posted on 06/25/2010 2:44:58 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: xzins

Classic Steyn!
“...Which may at least partly explain how he became the first U.S. general to be lost in combat while giving an interview to Rolling Stone: They’ll be studying that one in war colleges around the world for decades. “


14 posted on 06/25/2010 2:50:40 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It's now apparent that Iraq ‘distracted’ Al Qaeda and their ilk from Afghanistan. The brilliance of Bush's stratergery is now proven.

It would only be brilliant if it also led to a victory in Afghanistan. And the overriding issue remains: when you win Iraq (as we now have), the distraction for Al Qaeda ends.

Let's face it: Between the terrain, the poverty, and the sympathetic nuclear neighbor, Afghanistan is a tough place to fight. Obama is exactly the wrong guy to try to win it, but he's in office, and we have to win it. So go with God, General Petraeus!

15 posted on 06/25/2010 2:50:56 PM PDT by Yossarian (A pro-life democrat is one who holds out for something in return for his pro-abortion vote.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
“a skilled and dedicated specops warrior does not guarantee wisdom outside of one’s area of expertise.”

A guy like that can't spot a bull$hitter? lol!

Guess that explains why he likes Karzai too.

Michael Yon called McCrystal out months ago. That's why Yon was sent packing.

16 posted on 06/25/2010 2:51:53 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: ryan71

*shrug* It’s a very human failing.


17 posted on 06/25/2010 3:00:03 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Yossarian
Bush's idea was to deny Al Queda safe haven in Afghanistan. Probably figured we could not “win” it in a reasonable about of time. The brilliance was in realizing that and choosing Iraq where Al Queda were easier to find and kill.
18 posted on 06/25/2010 3:01:53 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’ll go with Rush - mental disorder.


19 posted on 06/25/2010 3:03:24 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: xzins

hammer... nail... Steyn....


20 posted on 06/25/2010 3:04:24 PM PDT by Gritty (Today the future lies between the certainty of decline and the probability of catastrophe-Mark Steyn)
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To: ryan71
. . Michael Yon called McCrystal out months ago. . . .

Was that before he was arrested by Homeland Security at SEATAC for not divulging his income?

21 posted on 06/25/2010 3:10:22 PM PDT by skeptoid
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To: xzins
"He doesn't seem to know, and he doesn't seem to care that he doesn't know, and he doesn't seem to care that he doesn't care."

That just about sums it up when it comes to the best interests of the United States.

22 posted on 06/25/2010 3:12:53 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Yossarian
"...go with God, General Petraeus!"

Amen! Our prayers go with you, General!

23 posted on 06/25/2010 3:16:19 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: ryan71
I haven't posted on this yet, but I think that McCrystal thought that he was a Fellow Traveler speaking to another Fellow Traveler, and that that made him safe. He thought it was fellow clubmembers joking amongst themselves.

He found out the hard way that he wasn't in the club like he thought he was.

-PJ

24 posted on 06/25/2010 3:25:20 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Yossarian
It would only be brilliant if it also led to a victory in Afghanistan.

And that would have been more likely if McCain had won instead of Obama. Bush could only go so far to tee it up for the next President, knowing that his time was up.

-PJ

25 posted on 06/25/2010 3:29:25 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
An officer that deals with SCRET and TS everyday has to be smarter than that.

I still think he wanted to get fired.

26 posted on 06/25/2010 3:34:29 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: xzins

me ping


27 posted on 06/25/2010 3:46:26 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: ryan71
Maybe it's a "liberal general syndrome." Wesley Clark also got fired as head of NATO by Clinton after threatening to attack the Russians in Belgrade. Maybe Liberal Generals think that the Free Pass that all the other liberals get would be extended to them, too. They should realize that the other liberals consider them to be expendable because they are "military" and are never really allowed in the clubhouse unescorted.

-PJ

28 posted on 06/25/2010 3:48:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: ryan71
HTF does a career special ops guy get fooled into voting for Obama?

McGlass is a control freak as are most liberals. Conservatives, by their very nature, seldom are micro control people.

29 posted on 06/25/2010 3:54:21 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: ryan71
HTF does a career special ops guy get fooled into voting for Obama?

And we know this to be true, how?

30 posted on 06/25/2010 4:13:19 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama's 911; Going Down in Flames)
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To: xzins

Dr. Jack Wheeler is editor of ToThePointNews “an online geopolitical intelligence service”.

He has had two parallel careers: one in the field of adventure and exploration as the owner of Jack Wheeler Expeditions; the other in the field of political and economic freedom as president of the Freedom Research Foundation.

Wheeler’s articles are also published by WebNetDaily.

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, 30 April 2009

Paris, France. It is very cool to be a French intel guy. A spectacular meal at a Parisian bistro with $90 entrées and a $200 bottle of Bordeaux? No problem. I’d known this fellow since he got me out of a jam in Sudan years ago. His James Bond days are over, but still, riding a desk for the DGSE – Direction générale de la sécurité extérieure (General Directorate for External Security), France’s military intel agency – in Paris has its decided benefits.

One of them is not being infected with Obamamania. “My agency considers him a joke,” he confides. “Every day there is some fresh lunacy that we cannot believe. Mr. Bush would often make us angry. But at this man we just laugh.”

“In truth, it also makes us sad,” he continued. “French resentment towards America is strong, so being able to laugh at your country feels good. But it is such a sad and strange thing to see America – America The Great! – do something so crazy as to elect this ridiculous man.”

“There are many people in America who think he isn’t a legitimate president as he wasn’t born in the US and isn’t a natural citizen. What do you think?” I asked.

He shrugged. “I wouldn’t know. I’ve never had reason to make an inquiry.”

“There are a lot of people convinced he is a traitor who hates America and is actively determined to destroy it. Any opinion on that?”

He didn’t shrug at this. After a long slow sip of wine, he mused, “I would not go that far. Many of his actions, however, are very puzzling because they are so counter-productive regarding America’s best interests. There seems to be a consistent pattern in that direction.”

“What does Sarkozy think of him?”

“Nothing but contempt.”

After a pause he asked, “And Langley?”

“Well, if you thought the war they waged against Bush was intense, it was nothing compared to how they’re going to screw Obama. He has tried to gut them with the ‘torture memo’ release and slashing their budgets. The morale is depressed, sullen, and enraged. You know what a left-wing outfit Langley is. They thought he was their boy and they feel betrayed. All kinds of damaging stuff on him will be appearing via their media friends.”

He nodded. “And in Tel Aviv City?”

He was referring to the huge underground city complex of Langley’s underneath the US Embassy in the Israeli capital. “That’s an interesting question. You know how vast and deep the relationship is there. Langley is making every effort to overcome the total and massive distrust their Israeli colleagues have for Obama, whom they know is selling them down the Jordan River. So far though this effort is in words. The Israelis are waiting to see what Langley does.”

He said nothing. I smiled. “You guys wouldn’t be Langley’s cutout for thwarting BO regarding Israel, would you? I’d never suspect that…”

He continued to say nothing, gave me only a slight smile in return, and poured me another glass of wine. “The Bordeaux is good, yes?” I nodded.

“You know, the French media worships this man the same as yours in the US. All of this ‘100 days’ talk, it is impossibly stupid. Most anyone in the French elite, the business leaders, Sarko’s people, they all know this. They all think this is some crazy joke of the Americans. But it is a very, very dangerous joke. For 100 days your president has been a laughingstock among the tout le monde of Paris. No one may be laughing 100 days or 10 months from now.”

He leaned forward. “The world can go – how do you say – sideways with this man very quickly. No one he has working for him knows what they are doing – possibly excepting Mrs. Clinton – and he certainly does not. All of us in our little community are worried – us, our friends in Berlin, London, Tel Aviv, and Langley too as you say. It is not like the barbarians at the gates. It is every barbarian horde in the world being told there are no gates. The Somalis, Chavez, Iran, Putin, Beijing, the ‘Norks” as you call them, the list is long and it is growing. We are not sure what to do.”

It took me a moment to respond. “The best thing that has happened now is Obama making Langley his enemy. They will be cooperating with you more, be more a part of your worried community. Working together, you can undermine his efforts more effectively, block and maybe even repair the damage.”

It was my turn to lean forward. “Then again, all together you could be more pro-active. The man is a mystery. Nobody can make public his actual birth certificate, or even the particular hospital he was born in, or his college grades, or how he got into Harvard, or how he made editor of the Harvard Law Review and never wrote a single article for it. It goes on and on. He really is a Zero. I think all of you guys should find all of this out and make it known.”

I added, “The quicker the better, before the laughing stops and the real dangers begin.”

“What is that phrase you use?” he asked. “Something to consider?”

I laughed. “Yes, there is much to consider – and much that you can do. I mean, really, if the Soviet Union could be dismantled, so can this presidency.”

It was a beautiful April afternoon in Paris. He walked me back to my hotel. It could be that the times we live in may get even more interesting.


31 posted on 06/25/2010 5:47:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’ve got to wonder how many are still laughing. The worst natural result I see is a depression followed by ... war?

It isn’t at all out of the question.


32 posted on 06/25/2010 5:58:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: EagleUSA
"This is a classic example of Obama’s total lack of loyalty to anyone or anything other than himself and his twisted ideology. "

The left says so openly and proudly. The Russian communists were the same. Communists born into Jewish families destroyed synagogues with fervor. Chechen communists burned alive their countrymen who did not submit. Brothers were killing brothers for ideological reasons. And, one of the most celebrated "heroes" in the Soviet times was one Pavel Morozov, a kid who reported his parents to the secret police.

What's scary is that all this makes sense to one half of Americans.

33 posted on 06/25/2010 7:18:29 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Slings and Arrows
"does not guarantee wisdom outside of one’s area of expertise."

That's the difference between wisdom and mere knowledge or skills.

34 posted on 06/25/2010 7:20:44 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

Well said.


35 posted on 06/25/2010 9:28:12 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Mike Darancette

” And we know this to be true, how? “

Yesterday, the push back came from the Pentagon that a lot of the quotes used in the Rolling Stone article were made in off the record settings and that
Hastings had violated the terms.
A series of pre printing , fact checking emails from Rolling Stone to McChrystal’s civilian PR guy ,
Duncan Boothby were made public.
Not sure if Rolling Stone or McChrystal’s people released them.
Apparently, McChrystal’s team did not deny any of the quotes , but, they did not want the Obama vote made public.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/military-says-rolling-stone-broke-ground-rules.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/25/AR2010062504087_pf.html

” In the last question, the fact-checker asked: “Did Gen. McChrystal vote for President Obama? (The reporter tells me that this info originates from McChrystal himself.)”

Boothby replied in all capitals.
“IMPORTANT — PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE THIS — THIS IS PERSONAL AND PRIVATE INFORMATION AND UNRELATED TO HIS JOB. IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO SHARE.” He went on to describe the “strict rules” under which military personnel keep their political views to themselves.”


36 posted on 06/26/2010 10:33:49 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: xzins; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
Pinging the Steyn list one last time.

It has been my pleasure to do this for the last few years but my time has come.

Sad to say, I am simply too busy to do this Ping list justice.

JLS has kindly offered to take up the MSPL duties and will run the Steyn list.

It has been a real pleasure briging this list back from the dead when Pokey78 stopped posting but I just do not have the time to devote to it as I should.

Many great Steyn columns have gone un-pinged due to me just not having the time to do it.

Many thanks JLS for picking up the slack.

See you on the Steyn threads !







Previous articles by Steyn that I have not pinged are here;

The lesson of a Jewish cemetery ... Mark Steyn

Mark Steyn: Can Obama plug leak in his support? (Steyn at his best alert)

Speaking of hyperventilating


On or off, please FReepmail JLS.

Cheers,

knewshound

knewshounds blog

37 posted on 06/26/2010 11:08:44 AM PDT by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: knews_hound

Thank you for your time and devotion to FReedom!


38 posted on 06/26/2010 12:41:45 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It's now apparent that Iraq ‘distracted’ Al Qaeda and their ilk from Afghanistan. The brilliance of Bush's stratergery is now proven.

Good point. Iraq was the perfect roach motel. Since we pulled back in Iraq they are streaming into Waziristan

39 posted on 06/26/2010 12:45:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Iraq was the perfect roach motel.”

Great metaphor!


40 posted on 06/26/2010 12:48:16 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: knews_hound

Thank you for all you’ve done. Your efforts are so appreciated.


41 posted on 06/26/2010 1:14:21 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: knews_hound
Dear knews hound:
Thank you very, very much for the wonderful job you've done for years. I cannot even tell you how much pleasure these posts gave me. Without your efforts, I would've missed so many of the Steyn’s articles, always so informative and entertaining.
I look forward to seeing you on other threads.
Best regards, TQ.
42 posted on 06/26/2010 1:15:21 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: knews_hound

Thank you for your service, knews_house, and best wishes!


43 posted on 06/26/2010 1:22:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Get to the beach, or at least in the pool!)
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To: knews_hound
Many thanks, knewsie, for your Steyn Pings! You did a great job, but sometimes real life takes over and you just don't have the time required to maintain the list.

See ya around the forum.

44 posted on 06/26/2010 2:29:19 PM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: xzins
From the article:

"This, of course, is the Obama enigma: Who is this guy? What are his core beliefs?"

Gee, if only your newspaper had thought to ask those fascinating questions oh, say, a month before the Iowa caucuses.

45 posted on 06/26/2010 2:43:21 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: xzins
I'd be in trouble if Mark Steyn told me it would be a healthful strategy to jump off a nearby cliff, and that is because of phrases like this:

Granted the Dems' usual shell game – to avoid looking soft on national security, it helps to be in favor of some war other than the one you're opposing – Candidate Obama was an especially ripe promoter. In one of the livelier moments of his campaign, he chugged down half a bottle of Geopolitical Viagra and claimed he was hot for invading Pakistan.

46 posted on 06/26/2010 2:45:25 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: xzins
Why, a cynic might almost think the "anti-war" movement was really an anti-Bush movement, and that they really don't care about dead foreigners after all.

Another brilliant work of analysis by Mark. Read the whole thing.

47 posted on 06/26/2010 2:49:42 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Eh bien?? What are they waiting for?? (For you Mossad types: Nu???) Let’s get it on, guys!


48 posted on 06/26/2010 2:56:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: knews_hound

Thank you for all of your pings over the years. I am a huge fan of Steyn. I might have missed many articles if it were not for you. Happy Trails.


49 posted on 06/26/2010 2:57:46 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: knews_hound
Thanks for all your work knews_hound. I wish you well in your pseudo retirement.
50 posted on 06/26/2010 3:15:28 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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