Posted on 06/25/2010 4:39:42 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
In a surprising reversal that follows years of effort to design a one-of-a-kind commando rifle, the U.S. military's Special Operations Command has abruptly decided to abandon the new SOCOM Combat Assault rifle – the "SCAR," as the rifle is commonly known – in favor of previously-fielded carbines.
Details provided exclusively to Military.com reveal that SOCOM, the Tampa-based command that oversees the training and equipping of SEALs, Green Berets, Air Force Special Tactics Teams and Marine SOC groups, will stop purchasing the 5.56 mm Mk-16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle and might require all units who now have them to turn the new weapons back into the armory. The Mk-16 does not provide enough of a performance advantage over the M-4 to justify spending USSOCOM's limited … funds when competing priorities are taken into consideration," officials at USSOCOM said in an email response to questions from Military.com. "Currently, three of USSOCOM's four components receive the 5.56 mm M-4 from their parent service as a service common equipment item." (Naval Special Warfare Command is the only component that does not purchase its weapons with Navy funds.)
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“Not enough of an advantage”....Yeh...let’s give the bad guy the upper hand...
No new bombers, no new rifles, no more F22’s - yep
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Treason Is the Season in Washington DC
So we are canceling the next gen bomber, this rifle, the next gen nuclear missile, future space exploration, etc. etc. Clearly Obama thinks we need a weaker military to we don’t “antagonize” folks like the Iranians, the Chinese, and the Russians.
Weakness breeds wars!
I think you’re right...
I have shot the SCAR Heavy in 7.62 and I can say it is a pretty nice rifle. I haven’t shot a 7.62 AR for comparison, but the SCAR is way better than an M-14 in the Sage stock. It is a lot lighter and easier to mount optics, etc.
We’re broke and the budget’s being cut. Willful attrition sounds like treason (on the part of the CINC).
At least it’s only the 5.56 version that’s being cancelled.
They still have the 7.62 version.
I have a AR-10. I love it but I thin the SCAR is probably a lot better gun. The AR-10 still has some of the fundamental AR problems while the SCAR does not. The SCAR is one ugly looking gun, however. SCAR was probably at least runner up in “ugliest full size rifle” contest.
Maybe piston operation does not have the advantages over direct gas impingement that is claimed in gun mags or by FN salesmen...
C.W.
SOCOM made the right decision
Why the surprise?
Mr President you said; “judge me by the people I surround myself with and you will see the truth of my vision for America...”
Please explain why you have associated yourself with the “short list” of people listed below and why you haven’t publicly denounced their support for ideologies such as Marxism, Socialism, Communism and Maoist “philosophy”...
Frank Marshall Davis
Bill Ayers
Reverend Wright
Anita Dunn
Van Jones
Eric Holder
Ron Bloom
John Holdren
Mark Lloyd
Andy Stern
Craig Becker
Rosa Brooks
Cass Sunstein
Kevin Jennings
Vivek Kundra
Adolfo Carrion
Nancy Killefer
Given that this is a very short list of the many professed Marxist, Socialist and Communist members of your cabinet will you seek to purge similar individuals from current appointed offices?
Also can you fully explain why you have taken the side of the impeached president of Honduras and haven’t excoriated members of your cabinet and members of the US House of Representatives at large for supporting the likes of Hugo Chavez...?
Obama Espoused Radical Views in College [advocated communist revolution!]
Steve Malzberg - WOR News Talk Radio 710 ^ | February 12, 2010 | Ronald Kessler
Posted on February 12, 2010 7:33:56 PM GMT+09:00 by ETL
Dr. John C. Drew, a grant writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, Calif., tells Newsmax he met Obama in 1980 when Obama was a sophomore at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Drew had just graduated from Occidental and was attending graduate school at Cornell University.
During Christmas break, Drew says he was at Grauman-Boss’ home in Palo Alto when Obama came over with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, his roommate from Pakistan.
“Barack [Obama] and Hasan showed up at the house in a BMW, and then we went to a restaurant together,” Drew says. “We had a nice meal, and then we came back to the house and smoked cigarettes and drank and argued politics.”
For the next several hours, they discussed Marxism.
“He [Obama] was arguing a straightforward Marxist-Leninist class-struggle point of view, which anticipated that there would be a revolution of the working class, led by revolutionaries, who would overthrow the capitalist system and institute a new socialist government that would redistribute the wealth,” says Drew, who says he himself was then a Marxist.
“The idea was basically that wealthy people were exploiting others,” Drew says. “That this was the secret of their wealth, that they weren’t paying others enough for their work, and they were using and taking advantage of other people. He was convinced that a revolution would take place, and it would be a good thing.”
Drew concluded that Obama thought of himself as “part of an intelligent, radical vanguard that was leading the way towards this revolution and towards this new society.” ...”
Referring to Obama’s quote from “Dreams of My Father” that he associated with Marxist professors, Drew says, “What he’s not saying is that he was in 100 percent total agreement with those Marxist professors. When you understand that, Obama’s later associations and policies make more sense, including why he was taken in by Rev. Wright’s ideology.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2450298/posts
Perhaps. I wonder, though, what will become of the new ammo that was optimized for the SCAR (Mk318?)? IIRC, Spec Ops Command ordered a bunch of it/
The lawlessness of this administration is mind boggling. We MUST take our country back and reestablish the rule of law under the US Constitution. Prosecution of law breakers, tax evaders, traitors and their ilk is a must, our nation can’t survive until this starts to happen. I know folks are squeamish but time for nice-nice is over.
Here's todays version of the M14. Being used today in Afghanistan.
Can hardly wait for the Youtube “Hitler gets pi**ed” because the SCAR is cancelled. The one about the price was priceless. No pun intended. :)
“... SCAR is way better than an M-14 in the Sage stock.”
From my cold dead hands will you have my M-14/M1A!
That is the Sage stock I was talking about. It is milled out of a block of aluminum and the weapon is pretty heavy. The SCAR is much lighter. Both stocks collapse or fold for getting in and out of vehicles, but the SCAR has an easier cheek piece to use.
Barack Hussein Obama Mmm, Mmm, Mnn
Doing the job Al Queda couldn’t finish since January 21st,2009
The thing was cooked by DoD. Bushmaster got first crack at it, but they couldn’t get a prototype operational in time. FN got the SCAR working and met the trial standards. I’m still waiting to see a Bushmaster ACR with a folding stock.
Any day now...
I’d also like to see a 7.62 SCAR.
People who’ve shot the 5.56mm SCAR (semi-auto) say that the recoil is non-existant. To which I have to say, so what? The recoil of an M-4 is almost non-existant, and the SCAR is nearly triple the cost of the M-4. Plus, it’s a new weapon which requires a new parts inventory and new armorer training.
It bothers me that they couldn’t just take an AR-10 and replace the gas system with a piston if they wanhted a 7.62 rifle. I think you can also get the 7.62 bolt from the AR-10 to fit in the 5.56 upper, which means that the 5.56mm bolt carrier would accept it and therefore the M-4/M-16 buffer tubes, castle nuts, and stocks could also be used. The lower receiver could be redesigned to allow the 5.56 fire control parts to work, although the mag catch would have to be different. This would conserve a lot of parts inventory.
So would the adoption of the 6.8 cartridge, but I’d rather see the lead guys get a 7.62 rifle. A Springfield SOCCOM would also be nice, and the designs for both rifles are available and thoroughly studied.
That means they have canceled the SCAR-L (.223). Maybe this is a smart move to force procurement in favor of the SCAR-H (7.62), which carries much better "punch" for Afghan combat distances...
the last thing we need is more 5.56/.223s...
I have an M1A1, I need to build up the stock cheek piece to be able to sight through the scope. I’ve been looking at plastic stocks to re-bed the rifle, but they cost almost as much as a new rifle. Any ideas?
I also have a FN FAL in 308 sans optics.. Do we have a gun ping list here?
Well I personally think the 6.8 looks pretty decent. Barrett has the REC7 that I would love to have :)
If you don't like the add on cheekpieces for the M1-A, there are several stocks that give it a high comb or an adjustable cheekpiece. m1arifles.com has the cheekpieces in cloth and leather, and a wood stock with a high comb. McMillan has all kinds of tactical stocks with adjustable cheekpieces for the M1A. Springfield used to sell one with a McMillan, but I don't remember which rifle came with the stock. Brother, are you going to pay! :)
That’s probably the first itme I’ve ever seen “limited funds” and “SOCOM” in the same sentence.
According to my son it makes a decent medium distance sniper rifle. I doubt the pictured group has seen a SCAR yet so they won’t miss it.
I’m and HK fan.
I sure don’t feel “undergunned” with my 5.56mm M-4gery.
And I don’t think troops with the M-16A5 “Designated Marksman Rifle” feel too outgunned in Afghanistan, when they are making 800m first-shot kills using the Trijicon sight.
So from close and nasty M-4s with red dots, to M-16A5s, I think our rifles will do the job.
Of course, this assumes you have troops of a high enough level to actually clean them now and then. An M-4 is not an AK-47, it does need the bolt pulled once in a while.
Would a 6.8 be better? Sure, but it’s not in the cards, just as it wasn’t when they decided to build the M1 Garand in 30-06 to use existing ammunition stockpiles, instead of the 6.5 as spec-ed by the designer.
ALso, plenty of rebuilt M-14s are getting into theater.
In the last five-ten years, what caliber do you suppose is winning the thousand yard matches?
If it were .223, they would have to mark the paper targets with a pencil at that range... ;-)
Probably because I've had range time with it, I prefer the 6.5 Grendel at that range in an assault carbine...
Nahhhhhhh ya don’t need to clean em .......:o)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/06/09/a-clean-wouldnt-hurt/
Hiredhand shared this with me this AM......LOL !
http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=136-RPK
Rusteprufe !!!
Good panther piss formula for hot and wet.......you will lose this application before ya can use it all.
Wipe it down at end and beginning of day if yer really getting some bad surface rust.
Or...........a kydex holster for yer shoulder rig. I know but ya have to decide......:o)
Probably budget cuts. Lot of that going around the military for FY11.
Probably budget cuts. Lot of that going around the military for FY11.
A little WD-40 or PAM and it would be right as rain!
Or you could always hose it down with gasoline and light her up.
Last time Squantos tried that he set his bathtub on fire.
Purtnear burned down the whole outhouse!
Nor do I feel underequipped with a circular poower saw when I'm cutting 2x4s. It will do that job, routinely and continually, all day long. But when it comes time to hammer nails into those boards, a different tool is required, ideally a hammer- and a compromise tool which could accomplish both functions would likely be ungainly and less effecient than the seperate devices.
And I don’t think troops with the M-16A5 “Designated Marksman Rifle” feel too outgunned in Afghanistan, when they are making 800m first-shot kills using the Trijicon sight. So from close and nasty M-4s with red dots, to M-16A5s, I think our rifles will do the job.
It's likely more correct to say that our troops can do the job with whatever tool is handed to them- but some improved tools might allow them to do even better.Of course, this assumes you have troops of a high enough level to actually clean them now and then. An M-4 is not an AK-47, it does need the bolt pulled once in a while.
Would a 6.8 be better? Sure, but it’s not in the cards, just as it wasn’t when they decided to build the M1 Garand in 30-06 to use existing ammunition stockpiles, instead of the 6.5 as spec-ed by the designer.
Well, John Garand's initial work with his first M1922 semiauto rifles built at Springfield in the summer of 1924 was directed at developing a reliable .30 semiauto, then later adapting it for Pedersen's .276 cartridge, then adapting it back to a .30 at the insinstanwe of then Army Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur. And he lived until February 16, 1974, so he saw the eventual developments of the 7,92x33 MP44 assault rifle cartridge, as well as the Soviet M43 7,62x30 and later 5.45x 39, the British EM-1 .280, and the development and use of the 5.56mm in Eugene Stoner's Armalite rifle design
.ALso, plenty of rebuilt M-14s are getting into theater.
Good thing. There are folks potting at them from three-quarters of a mile away with some very old but still quite capable rifles.
It seems to be current NATO doctrine that the 5,56x45 M885/SS109 ammo is sufficient. But there are those who disagree, and the Other People may not yet have gotten the word.
Man, Travis, you need to get to cleaning that thing a little more often. I’ve seen less crap on the bottom of my boots. :)
I have melted a few M60 barrels in my time yet I have to clean my firearms these days. Not sure the lugs an parts broke due dirt or heat on the AR pictured..... My swag is heat !
Were I as rich as you I could just blow up the dirty ones.....:o)
Hope yer well Buddy....
Try Fulton Armory.
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