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McCain introduces bill to repeal the Jones Act
AP ^ | 2010-06-26

Posted on 06/26/2010 4:54:24 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

U.S. Sen. John McCain has introduced legislation to repeal a 90-year-old maritime law that requires vessels transporting goods between states to have been built in the United States, be crewed and owned by U.S. citizens and fly the U.S. flag.

The law, known as the Jones Act, has been criticized recently for allegedly hampering foreign ships offering assistance in the cleanup of the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: jonesact; juanmccain; mccain; rino; shipping

1 posted on 06/26/2010 4:54:26 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

All Obama had to do was waive the Act, the lazy know-nothing muslim puke.


2 posted on 06/26/2010 4:57:19 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: rabscuttle385

The SEIU and the undocumented Emperor will not like this.


3 posted on 06/26/2010 5:00:40 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: rabscuttle385

Never let a good crisis go to waste.


4 posted on 06/26/2010 5:01:23 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: Diogenesis

Could be the makings of a GREAT ad for the coming election in November - we all know the RATS will oppose this.
They are in the back pocket of the Unions!!


5 posted on 06/26/2010 5:02:40 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: rabscuttle385

Another step on the path to our demise and destruction as a Nation.But, by the caliber of “leaders” we, as a Nation, elect, that is what we, as a Nation, desire. And we are almost there. By no later thhan 2012, our National debt will be substantially higher than our gross National product.


6 posted on 06/26/2010 5:04:16 AM PDT by sport
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To: rabscuttle385

We should invoke the Jones Act to handle the BC question.

Was that BOat actually built in the US, by US workers????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm??


7 posted on 06/26/2010 5:05:55 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: rabscuttle385

One major purpose of the Jones Act is to have sufficient shipping readily available to the military in the event of war induced need such as in WWII. If there is no possibility that such shipping can ever be so needed again then repeal Jones. Otherwise, keep it. It is like forbidding the contracting out of infantry and air superiority to other countries.


8 posted on 06/26/2010 5:09:24 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: thethirddegree
“All Obama had to do was waive the Act, the lazy know-nothing muslim puke.”

I'm not defending Obama, as I agree on the know-nothing mooselimb puke part, but I worry about the unintended consequences of waving or repealing the Jones Act.
It would open up our ports to even further invasions from vessels built, owned and manned by muslims, illegal aliens and the rest of Americas enemies.

9 posted on 06/26/2010 5:13:23 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 507)
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To: farmguy
"Never let a good crisis go to waste."

This works both ways. This is a great opportunity to slap the unions back!

10 posted on 06/26/2010 5:15:55 AM PDT by craigster_nc
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To: rabscuttle385

We don’t need to repeal it, just termprarily waive it.
If there’s anything that needs repealing its healthcare all things environmental and the soon to be bank grab.


11 posted on 06/26/2010 5:20:02 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Comrade O has to go; FIRE THE SHIFTLESS KENYAN NOW !!!)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
So who owns and mans all the ships bringing in oil and goods now? Who owns and mans all of the cruise ships? How did the Russian ships get permission to visit SF? This law is bullsh8t!
12 posted on 06/26/2010 5:20:43 AM PDT by craigster_nc
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
So who owns and mans all the ships bringing in oil and goods now? Who owns and mans all of the cruise ships? How did the Russian ships get permission to visit SF? This law is bullsh8t!
13 posted on 06/26/2010 5:23:00 AM PDT by craigster_nc
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To: All

Once again, I think this is more about Unions.


14 posted on 06/26/2010 5:24:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Sorry for the double post. It took forever for the comment to post for some reason today.


15 posted on 06/26/2010 5:24:52 AM PDT by craigster_nc
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To: BuffaloJack

See post 12. When are we enforcing this now?


16 posted on 06/26/2010 5:26:22 AM PDT by craigster_nc
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To: craigster_nc
It has to do with boats that travel from one US state to another, not boats that come from another country with cargo to deliver to a US port of entry.

Thus a Russian ship can pick up a container in Amsterdam and deliver it to New York City; but, it cannot pick up a container in New York and then drop it off in Virginia.

17 posted on 06/26/2010 5:32:34 AM PDT by ikka
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t agree becaust the Act may be waived when needed.


18 posted on 06/26/2010 5:33:12 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: craigster_nc
The Jones Act has nothing to do with foreign ships delivering goods to our shores from overseas. It covers only goods shipped from US ports to US ports.
But, more than a decade ago, the Canadian National railroad company bought US Steel's Great Lakes fleet of ore carriers (which carry ore from Minnesota to Gary, Indiana steel mills) and no one complained that this was a violation of the Act.
McCain’s bill is pointless.
19 posted on 06/26/2010 5:34:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: craigster_nc
When they had the Ferry on Lake Ontario at the Port of Rochester, the ferry couldn't "move" until it was manned by a US Mariner and flying under the US Flag.

There should be an article someplace about how it worked....It was a big deal at the time.

My bro is a former Mariner....can you say UNION!!!

20 posted on 06/26/2010 5:34:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

I’m not defending Obama, as I agree on the know-nothing mooselimb puke part, but I worry about the unintended consequences of waving or repealing the Jones Act.
It would open up our ports to even further invasions from vessels built, owned and manned by muslims, illegal aliens and the rest of Americas enemies.


Good point. Doing away with the Jones Act is just something the Liberal Globalists will love...who see nothing wrong with dangerous foreign nations and nationals running our shipping.

Would not surprise me that Obama, McCain, and all the Liberal Globalists wanted to use this oil disaster as a way to repeal Jones, and sell out our shipping to foreign nations.

In fact, the Jones Act should have never been applied to the Gulf oil rig blowout...as the rig was in International waters.


21 posted on 06/26/2010 5:35:07 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: craigster_nc

So who owns and mans all the ships bringing in oil and goods now?


As I understand it the Jones Act deals with transport between US ports not incoming or leaving between US and overseas ports.


22 posted on 06/26/2010 5:36:10 AM PDT by deport
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To: All
aka Merchant Marine Act of 1920

See wiki

Obama is messing with the southern states because they are Repubs...His atitude...."I won"

23 posted on 06/26/2010 5:41:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sacajaweau
“When they had the Ferry on Lake Ontario”

It's early. When I read that I thought “Fairy on the Lake” and though what's Rahm up to today?

24 posted on 06/26/2010 5:43:36 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 507)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Jones Act seems like the shipping equivalent of laws that (in the past)prevented foreign owned trucking lines from operating within the USA. Of course, provisions of NAFTA that would allow Mexican trucks to operate within the US have been controversial in recent years.

Do we really want foreign owned trucking or shipping companies to operate on routes between US states and cities? Unions probably support the Jones Act, but I don’t think it can be said that only unions support it.

And can foreign airlines operate between US cities? And what do other nations allow US companies to do within their borders?

But, of course, the act should be waived in emergency situations such as the Gulf oil leak.


25 posted on 06/26/2010 5:44:30 AM PDT by Will88
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain introduces bill to repeal the Jones Act

This one might well turn out like Juan's bill he introduced to regulate food supplements, simply because he heard testimony that some athletes had abused food supplements and steroids. He withdrew that one and slinked away after the, what should have been, predictable blowback.

This bill to repeal the Jones Act sounds like another McCain knee-jerk reaction that has not been very well thought out.

26 posted on 06/26/2010 5:51:48 AM PDT by Will88
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To: rabscuttle385

A day late and a dollar short, McCain.


27 posted on 06/26/2010 5:53:21 AM PDT by beckysueb (January 20, 2013. When Obama becomes just a skidmark on the panties of American history.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Dumbest idea I've ever heard of. The Jones Act ensures that the US has a merchant marine - in the event of war it would really stink if the US armed forces had to rely on foreign ships and foreign crews to convoy them to the front.

Obambi SHOULD waive the act temporarily, but repeal would hurt national security.

28 posted on 06/26/2010 5:59:14 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Sacajaweau

It’s also about national security. If you waive the Jones Act, America’s merchant marine will disappear. In peacetime that’s not an issue for most of us - and would mean lower prices because wed be able to use cheaper foreing vessels. But in wartime we’d be up a creek because our armed forces would have to rely on foreign vessels and crews.


29 posted on 06/26/2010 6:04:41 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Will88
Yes, it's wise at this moment not to focus on the Jones Act itself but on McManiac's reason for introducing legislation for its repeal. You stated his initiative is a knee-jerk reaction not well thought-out. I agree completely.

Let me add that Juan is clumsily riding the crest of "Jones Act" now being a buzz phrase.....he's being stupidly impulsive, opportunistic and a drama queen.

(.....if you can ever envision that colorless drone, McCain, ever being a drama queen, that is).

He's actually just trying to punctuate through a dumb move that he's relevant in the oil spill crisis....even though nobody thinks he is except himself.

There is no rational reason for voting for the re-election of the irrational senator from Arizona.

Leni

30 posted on 06/26/2010 6:08:15 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: craigster_nc
"Never let a good crisis go to waste." This works both ways. This is a great opportunity to slap the unions back!

I was thinking more along the lines of using this crisis to destroy any remaining protective trade barriers we may have.

31 posted on 06/26/2010 6:18:34 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: Sacajaweau

Obama is messing with the southern states because they are Repubs...His atitude....”I won”


He’s making a big mistake messing with the south. We’re tired of being pushed around by this sorry bastard.


32 posted on 06/26/2010 6:36:47 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good GRIEF!! Why wasn’t this done on day 2????


33 posted on 06/26/2010 7:00:30 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion...the Human Scarifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
The rig was in US water.
If it had been outside of US purview, the Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service would not have had anything to do with the accident.
34 posted on 06/26/2010 7:12:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If the Jones act is repealed it would shut down every commercial shipbuilding yard in the US. We have few enough anyway, but it would also put all of our seaman out of a job..few of them anyway. Union or not. Every commercial fishing boat would be built overseas and manned by foreigners. It is a protectionest act, but it has been the only thing that has preserved the tattered remnants of our commercial shipping and fishing industry.
I spent part of my career as a supplier to the US and Foreign shipbuilding industry..so I know the issue and what has been done over the years to by pass it(like the big trawler processors “converted” in Europe).
In spite of being a freetrader..I would not vote to repeal the Jones Act, or vote for anyone who did.


35 posted on 06/26/2010 7:33:28 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Oldexpat
I know the Jones Act pretty well, too. No one can explain how USS/GLF was sold to the Canadians but it did happen.
I was GM/Sales Mgr for a Great Lakes bunkering business for 16 years. From my experience, the only reason the US has a fleet of ships and American sailors in this part of the world is the Jones Act.
We owned a 149 foot, 8,000 bbl tanker in Duluth/Superior and did seven to ten fuelings a week for the 40 week season. At the time there were 60 American and 60 Canadian boats, plus eight or ten Salties that I could service. The number is reduced from ten years ago.
We made blends of fuel via inline blending on the tanker and could make any Euro spec by using combinations of supplies.
The Laker sailors are some of the best. They make a port every few days.
36 posted on 06/26/2010 10:34:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: MinuteGal

It’s Bob Dole all over again.


37 posted on 06/26/2010 10:39:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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